NLE Mac / Final Cut questions from 2002

Ryan Wachter · October 20th, 2002, 09:43 AM

Ill be using the video card that comes with the quicksilver power g4. Could you please elaborate on the NLE and NSTC broadcasting a bit for me?
Thanks
RYan

Jeff Donald · October 20th, 2002, 11:09 AM

Computer monitors and video monitors are different. They display their images different, use different phospors for color, have different resolution, use different signals etc. What you see on a computer monitor will not match the image, once it goes to tape and is displayed on a TV. Sometimes the differences are subtile, others are huge. It sometimes helps to preview your work in progress on a TV (or better yet a broadcast monitor). The differences are more noticeable with graphics (titles) and colors. Computer colors don't bleed, video will. It will take a little getting used to and making a few adjustments.

The other thing is the outputs on the included video card with your mac will not power two identical monitors without an adapter. I don't think the required adapter is included and you may need to check with the source of your monitors for help.

Jeff

Steve Kim · October 21st, 2002, 03:53 PM

One of my friends is having trouble to view the exported video in Quicktime 6.0, and I need your help.

He'd captured video from camcoder to FCP 3.0, edit it and exported it as Quicktime format. He can save sound, but cannot save the video in MOV file.

He uses Macintosh Powerbook 800, OS X 10.1, FCP 3.0 and Quicktime 6.0.

Does anyone have any clue for this problem?

Jeff Donald · October 22nd, 2002, 05:09 AM

What settings did your friend use for exporting? Did he change the compression, key framing etc?

Jeff

Mark Sloan · October 22nd, 2002, 05:27 AM

According to Apple FCP is only certified to work with QT 6.0 under OS X.2. That could be the problem right there. Also, make sure that with the new QT 6.x that he has a new pro license for the additional editing features.
"FCP and QuickTime 6
Final Cut Pro 3.0.2 has been qualified for use with QuickTime 6 included with Mac OS X v10.2. Users running earlier versions of Mac OS X should continue to use QuickTime 5.x " from www.apple.com/finalcutpro/

Linc Kesler · October 22nd, 2002, 05:01 PM

This is a newbie question and I'm sorry if it repeats an old topic. I work at a university and am working on a large project for which I must use equipment in a lab. I'd like to store my files on a firewire hard drive for security (research interviews) and convenience. Are there specific drive parameters I should look for, or are all the current generation of firewire hard drives likely to be fast enough for this purpose? Any specific recommendations (my grant is not a big one!)

Thanks in advance,
Linc Kesler

Matt Stahley · October 22nd, 2002, 07:30 PM

i like the granite digital cases then drop in a 120GB IBM deskstar and your set. depending on drive size and case you should come in under $300.
www.granitedigital.com

Jeff Donald · October 22nd, 2002, 08:00 PM

The Granite cases are very nice, but I would go with the Western Digital Special Edition drives with a 8MB cache. After rebates they run around $150 or less. IBM's are great drives, too. either way you'd have a nice FireWire drive.

Jeff

Ken Tanaka · October 22nd, 2002, 09:35 PM

Linc,
Matthew and Jeff's suggestions are good ones. You also asked, "Are there specific drive parameters I should look for, or are all the current generation of firewire hard drives likely to be fast enough for this purpose?" In general, you're looking for drives with a rotational speed of 7200 rpm. You can also get by with less expensive 5400rpm drives but, honestly, so many high-capacity / modest cost 7200rpm Firewire drives have appeared during the past several months that there's little excuse to do so.

Also, just to clarify the Granite case suggestions... Such a configuration would require a two-step kit purchase. First you would purchase the Granite case which is an empty box featuring the circuitry to connect an ATA drive to your Firewire port. Then you would select the hard drive to drop into the Granite case, such as the IBM DeskStar or the Western Digital drive recommended earlier.

Just to toss in one more choice, my currrent personal favorite external Firewire drive is WiebeTech's (www.wiebetech.com) "Super DesktopGB" drive which offers 7200rpm drive capacities up to 200Gb and is *bus-powered*, meaning that they require no wall power connection (on Macs and other systems that feature 6-pin powered Firewire busses). These are pre-built units (not kits). The 120Gb unit (which I have) runs $330, about the same as the Granite configs.

Happy hunting!

Doug Quance · October 22nd, 2002, 10:00 PM

So Ken:

That firewire drive of yours can simply plug in to your camera... so other cables needed?

How much of a drain is that on your batteries? (Or do you run AC in that kind of application)

BTW, I assume it captures timecode just like a tape, right?

Ken Tanaka · October 22nd, 2002, 10:21 PM

No Doug. The drive plugs into my Mac's Firewire port, not directly to the camera. My camera (actually my deck) also plugs into the Mac.

There are at least a couple of hard disk dv recorders (such as the Firestore), but that's not what I was referrring to.

Doug Quance · October 22nd, 2002, 10:22 PM

Thanks, Ken...

I am trying to research those drives...

Doug Quance · October 22nd, 2002, 10:36 PM

Ouch!

Just did some research...

It's going to cost a little more than I thought...

Still looks very interesting, though!

October 23rd, 2002, 01:47 AM

I want to edit videoclips and short films made in mini-DV and looking for a low budget editing solution. I am considering buying apple products mainly for Final Cut Pro.

Questions.:

1) Considering buying a Imac/800mhz/single processor with lots of ram.

Would that be a good solution for my endeavors ?

2) Can I edit while viewing two separated scenes (screens) with such a solution or do I need a Mac soluttion with a dual processor for that ?

Thanks in advance !

Alain

Note.:
I am totally new to editing.

Joe Redifer · October 23rd, 2002, 01:50 AM

You should be fine with the iMac you are considering. I used a much less powerful single processor 450mhz G4 for the longest time, with no speed issues or general troubles of any kind. I always used a TV monitor connected to the external firewire device to see how everything will look, in addition to the computer monitor where all the editing takes place.

October 21st, 2002, 03:53 PM	#963
Steve Kim Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: McLean, VA Posts: 47	No video in Quicktime MOV file exported from FCP One of my friends is having trouble to view the exported video in Quicktime 6.0, and I need your help. He'd captured video from camcoder to FCP 3.0, edit it and exported it as Quicktime format. He can save sound, but cannot save the video in MOV file. He uses Macintosh Powerbook 800, OS X 10.1, FCP 3.0 and Quicktime 6.0. Does anyone have any clue for this problem?

October 22nd, 2002, 05:01 PM	#966
Linc Kesler Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 65	firewire hard drives This is a newbie question and I'm sorry if it repeats an old topic. I work at a university and am working on a large project for which I must use equipment in a lab. I'd like to store my files on a firewire hard drive for security (research interviews) and convenience. Are there specific drive parameters I should look for, or are all the current generation of firewire hard drives likely to be fast enough for this purpose? Any specific recommendations (my grant is not a big one!) Thanks in advance, Linc Kesler

October 22nd, 2002, 09:35 PM	#969
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Linc, Matthew and Jeff's suggestions are good ones. You also asked, "Are there specific drive parameters I should look for, or are all the current generation of firewire hard drives likely to be fast enough for this purpose?" In general, you're looking for drives with a rotational speed of 7200 rpm. You can also get by with less expensive 5400rpm drives but, honestly, so many high-capacity / modest cost 7200rpm Firewire drives have appeared during the past several months that there's little excuse to do so. Also, just to clarify the Granite case suggestions... Such a configuration would require a two-step kit purchase. First you would purchase the Granite case which is an empty box featuring the circuitry to connect an ATA drive to your Firewire port. Then you would select the hard drive to drop into the Granite case, such as the IBM DeskStar or the Western Digital drive recommended earlier. Just to toss in one more choice, my currrent personal favorite external Firewire drive is WiebeTech's (www.wiebetech.com) "Super DesktopGB" drive which offers 7200rpm drive capacities up to 200Gb and is bus-powered, meaning that they require no wall power connection (on Macs and other systems that feature 6-pin powered Firewire busses). These are pre-built units (not kits). The 120Gb unit (which I have) runs $330, about the same as the Granite configs. Happy hunting! __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

October 22nd, 2002, 10:00 PM	#970
Doug Quance Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 138	So Ken: That firewire drive of yours can simply plug in to your camera... so other cables needed? How much of a drain is that on your batteries? (Or do you run AC in that kind of application) BTW, I assume it captures timecode just like a tape, right? __________________ If you're not the lead dog... the scenery never changes

October 22nd, 2002, 10:21 PM	#971
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	No Doug. The drive plugs into my Mac's Firewire port, not directly to the camera. My camera (actually my deck) also plugs into the Mac. There are at least a couple of hard disk dv recorders (such as the Firestore), but that's not what I was referrring to. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

October 20th, 2002, 09:43 AM	#961
Ryan Wachter Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 164	Ill be using the video card that comes with the quicksilver power g4. Could you please elaborate on the NLE and NSTC broadcasting a bit for me? Thanks RYan

October 20th, 2002, 11:09 AM	#962
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Computer monitors and video monitors are different. They display their images different, use different phospors for color, have different resolution, use different signals etc. What you see on a computer monitor will not match the image, once it goes to tape and is displayed on a TV. Sometimes the differences are subtile, others are huge. It sometimes helps to preview your work in progress on a TV (or better yet a broadcast monitor). The differences are more noticeable with graphics (titles) and colors. Computer colors don't bleed, video will. It will take a little getting used to and making a few adjustments. The other thing is the outputs on the included video card with your mac will not power two identical monitors without an adapter. I don't think the required adapter is included and you may need to check with the source of your monitors for help. Jeff

October 22nd, 2002, 05:09 AM	#964
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	What settings did your friend use for exporting? Did he change the compression, key framing etc? Jeff

October 22nd, 2002, 05:27 AM	#965
Mark Sloan Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 346	According to Apple FCP is only certified to work with QT 6.0 under OS X.2. That could be the problem right there. Also, make sure that with the new QT 6.x that he has a new pro license for the additional editing features. "FCP and QuickTime 6 Final Cut Pro 3.0.2 has been qualified for use with QuickTime 6 included with Mac OS X v10.2. Users running earlier versions of Mac OS X should continue to use QuickTime 5.x " from www.apple.com/finalcutpro/

October 22nd, 2002, 07:30 PM	#967
Matt Stahley Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Waynesboro, PA Posts: 648	i like the granite digital cases then drop in a 120GB IBM deskstar and your set. depending on drive size and case you should come in under $300. www.granitedigital.com

October 22nd, 2002, 08:00 PM	#968
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	The Granite cases are very nice, but I would go with the Western Digital Special Edition drives with a 8MB cache. After rebates they run around $150 or less. IBM's are great drives, too. either way you'd have a nice FireWire drive. Jeff

October 22nd, 2002, 10:22 PM	#972
Doug Quance Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 138	Thanks, Ken... I am trying to research those drives... __________________ If you're not the lead dog... the scenery never changes

October 22nd, 2002, 10:36 PM	#973
Doug Quance Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 138	Ouch! Just did some research... It's going to cost a little more than I thought... Still looks very interesting, though! __________________ If you're not the lead dog... the scenery never changes

October 23rd, 2002, 01:47 AM	#974
Guest Posts: n/a	Minimum requirement for editing - Buying a Mac I want to edit videoclips and short films made in mini-DV and looking for a low budget editing solution. I am considering buying apple products mainly for Final Cut Pro. Questions.: 1) Considering buying a Imac/800mhz/single processor with lots of ram. Would that be a good solution for my endeavors ? 2) Can I edit while viewing two separated scenes (screens) with such a solution or do I need a Mac soluttion with a dual processor for that ? Thanks in advance ! Alain Note.: I am totally new to editing.

October 23rd, 2002, 01:50 AM	#975
Joe Redifer Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 290	You should be fine with the iMac you are considering. I used a much less powerful single processor 450mhz G4 for the longest time, with no speed issues or general troubles of any kind. I always used a TV monitor connected to the external firewire device to see how everything will look, in addition to the computer monitor where all the editing takes place.