Don't have subclip problem? What is your set-up? at DVinfo.net

Sharon Pieczenik · June 17th, 2007, 05:16 PM

Hi Everyone,

Once again, I am going to be fighting with my JVC-HD110U to capture HDV footage onto my laptop with final cut. I was wondering...if you (the people out there) do not have a subclipping problem when capturing and do not have to use a work-around then what is your computer and software set-up? Depending on the answers, I might just go and buy a whole new computer system.

Also, the new final cut does it help with the subclip problem?

Thanks for the help!

Cheers,
Sharon

Adam Grunseth · June 17th, 2007, 05:37 PM

I do not have a problem with subclips. I start recording, and I stop recording, and everything between that start and stop is one clip. Here is my set up-

-JVC-HD110 Recording to Firestore DR-HD100

-Copy files from firestore to computer via firewire

-Home built PC with Pentium D processor

-Edius Pro 4 editing software

Sharon Pieczenik · June 18th, 2007, 10:51 AM

Thanks Adam. I guess I would love to know if there are people who use final cut out there who have a set-up that doesn't create subclipping problems. But other set-up information is VERY helpful.

Cheers,
Sharon

Josh Meredith · June 18th, 2007, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharon Pieczenik

other set-up information is VERY helpful.

Cheers,
Sharon

Sony Vegas 7 on a midrange HP laptop, with no problems, subclip or otherwise.

Jay Kavi · June 18th, 2007, 12:24 PM

Hey Sharon, I think the subclipping problem is mainly with FCP users at this point. I know a premiere 1.5 user with a dual opteron and win xp pro who only had subclipping on an hour long live performance video, he upgraded to 2.0 and hasn't had one since

Brian Luce · June 18th, 2007, 01:53 PM

what is subclipping?

Sharon Pieczenik · June 18th, 2007, 02:02 PM

I guess when I refer to "subclipping" I am referring to what happens when I capture an HDV tape (top quality) from my deck or camera onto my laptop with final cut. Final Cut just chops up whatever is coming from the deck/camera into my laptop.

Instead of a whole tape or whole clip (with in and out points set) being captured - a bunch of smaller clips with information (seconds) missing in-between occurs.

It does not have to do with when the rec button is pushed. It does not have to do with the pre-roll seconds setting. It is not the tape stock.

I hope I have explained this ok.

Brian Luce · June 18th, 2007, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharon Pieczenik

I guess when I refer to "subclipping" I am referring to what happens when I capture an HDV tape (top quality) from my deck or camera onto my laptop with final cut. Final Cut just chops up whatever is coming from the deck/camera into my laptop.

Instead of a whole tape or whole clip (with in and out points set) being captured - a bunch of smaller clips with information (seconds) missing in-between occurs.

It does not have to do with when the rec button is pushed. It does not have to do with the pre-roll seconds setting. It is not the tape stock.

I hope I have explained this ok.

Are the chops based upon when the camera "record" button is pushed? or are they random?

Also does FCP convert to an IC on the fly the way cineform does?

Sharon Pieczenik · June 18th, 2007, 03:11 PM

It does not correspond to the rec button. The subclips are random and often.

Sorry, but not sure what IC is. I'm not the best at the techno-speak.

Brian Luce · June 18th, 2007, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharon Pieczenik

It does not correspond to the rec button. The subclips are random and often.

Sorry, but not sure what IC is. I'm not the best at the techno-speak.

I'm on a pc and use a software called cineform that converts the mpeg 2 in to an IC (intermediary codec) which is full frame and robust and easier to edit. I don't know if FCP has an option like that.

Also, laptops have smaller and usually slower Hard drives, wondering if that could be the problem.

Sharon Pieczenik · June 18th, 2007, 03:38 PM

Hi Brian,

There are ICs that people recommend on final cut (like AIC) but they sadly do not solve the problem.

I was thinking that my laptop might just be too slow. That is why I was thinking of picking up the new mac laptop with 4GB...I was told by a person "techier" than I that 4GB should be fast enough to fix any speed-related problems. ( I just love laptops.) The question I posted here was to see the set-up of any users that didn't have subclip problems...as you know. In particular, I was hoping that some Mac users would chime in. However, it seems that the PC non-final cut people are the happy ones who are talkin'.

I have used the laborious work-around for this problem in the past that has left me with not very pretty footage and sound issues...I have a big final edit due July 31st and I need to get on that, but I just don't know what to do about my workflow and my cash flow is fairly negative to source this out. The glamorous life of a doc filmmaker huh?

Thanks for the dialogue. Keep it coming if you have any ideas. The forum is my break from tedious transcribing.

Cheers,
Sharon

Douglas Villalba · June 18th, 2007, 03:48 PM

What do you see when you open this window under settings?

Sharon Pieczenik · June 18th, 2007, 04:03 PM

Um,not sure where you are going with this, but I'm game. I see the same as you do but my stuff is saving to my external harddrive.

Douglas Villalba · June 18th, 2007, 04:19 PM

If it looks the same and you are not hitting the stop/record button then I don't know what is the problem.
I am on FCP5.0.4 and I don't get the splits unless I hit the stop/record button on the cameras.

Sharon Pieczenik · June 18th, 2007, 04:27 PM

And what computer are you using to capture? Type, speed, etc.
What camera are you shooting on?
Do you work for JVC or final cut? Wondering since on some forums some companies have employees write misinformation if problems are brought up with their product. My guess is that would not go on on this forum, but you never know.

June 17th, 2007, 05:16 PM	#1
Sharon Pieczenik Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bozeman, MT Posts: 118	Don't have subclip problem? What is your set-up? Hi Everyone, Once again, I am going to be fighting with my JVC-HD110U to capture HDV footage onto my laptop with final cut. I was wondering...if you (the people out there) do not have a subclipping problem when capturing and do not have to use a work-around then what is your computer and software set-up? Depending on the answers, I might just go and buy a whole new computer system. Also, the new final cut does it help with the subclip problem? Thanks for the help! Cheers, Sharon

June 18th, 2007, 03:48 PM	#12
Douglas Villalba Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Miami, Florida, USA Posts: 479	What do you see when you open this window under settings? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Douglas Villalba - director/cinematographer/editor Miami, Florida, USA - www.DVtvPRODUCTIONS.com

June 18th, 2007, 04:19 PM	#14
Douglas Villalba Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Miami, Florida, USA Posts: 479	If it looks the same and you are not hitting the stop/record button then I don't know what is the problem. I am on FCP5.0.4 and I don't get the splits unless I hit the stop/record button on the cameras. __________________ Douglas Villalba - director/cinematographer/editor Miami, Florida, USA - www.DVtvPRODUCTIONS.com

June 17th, 2007, 05:37 PM	#2
Adam Grunseth Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Eugene Oregon Posts: 393	I do not have a problem with subclips. I start recording, and I stop recording, and everything between that start and stop is one clip. Here is my set up- -JVC-HD110 Recording to Firestore DR-HD100 -Copy files from firestore to computer via firewire -Home built PC with Pentium D processor -Edius Pro 4 editing software

June 18th, 2007, 10:51 AM	#3
Sharon Pieczenik Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bozeman, MT Posts: 118	Thanks Adam. I guess I would love to know if there are people who use final cut out there who have a set-up that doesn't create subclipping problems. But other set-up information is VERY helpful. Cheers, Sharon

June 18th, 2007, 12:24 PM	#5
Jay Kavi Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 243	Hey Sharon, I think the subclipping problem is mainly with FCP users at this point. I know a premiere 1.5 user with a dual opteron and win xp pro who only had subclipping on an hour long live performance video, he upgraded to 2.0 and hasn't had one since

June 18th, 2007, 01:53 PM	#6
Brian Luce Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,290	what is subclipping?

June 18th, 2007, 02:02 PM	#7
Sharon Pieczenik Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bozeman, MT Posts: 118	I guess when I refer to "subclipping" I am referring to what happens when I capture an HDV tape (top quality) from my deck or camera onto my laptop with final cut. Final Cut just chops up whatever is coming from the deck/camera into my laptop. Instead of a whole tape or whole clip (with in and out points set) being captured - a bunch of smaller clips with information (seconds) missing in-between occurs. It does not have to do with when the rec button is pushed. It does not have to do with the pre-roll seconds setting. It is not the tape stock. I hope I have explained this ok.

June 18th, 2007, 03:11 PM	#9
Sharon Pieczenik Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bozeman, MT Posts: 118	It does not correspond to the rec button. The subclips are random and often. Sorry, but not sure what IC is. I'm not the best at the techno-speak.

June 18th, 2007, 03:38 PM	#11
Sharon Pieczenik Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bozeman, MT Posts: 118	Hi Brian, There are ICs that people recommend on final cut (like AIC) but they sadly do not solve the problem. I was thinking that my laptop might just be too slow. That is why I was thinking of picking up the new mac laptop with 4GB...I was told by a person "techier" than I that 4GB should be fast enough to fix any speed-related problems. ( I just love laptops.) The question I posted here was to see the set-up of any users that didn't have subclip problems...as you know. In particular, I was hoping that some Mac users would chime in. However, it seems that the PC non-final cut people are the happy ones who are talkin'. I have used the laborious work-around for this problem in the past that has left me with not very pretty footage and sound issues...I have a big final edit due July 31st and I need to get on that, but I just don't know what to do about my workflow and my cash flow is fairly negative to source this out. The glamorous life of a doc filmmaker huh? Thanks for the dialogue. Keep it coming if you have any ideas. The forum is my break from tedious transcribing. Cheers, Sharon

June 18th, 2007, 04:03 PM	#13
Sharon Pieczenik Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bozeman, MT Posts: 118	Um,not sure where you are going with this, but I'm game. I see the same as you do but my stuff is saving to my external harddrive.

June 18th, 2007, 04:27 PM	#15
Sharon Pieczenik Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bozeman, MT Posts: 118	And what computer are you using to capture? Type, speed, etc. What camera are you shooting on? Do you work for JVC or final cut? Wondering since on some forums some companies have employees write misinformation if problems are brought up with their product. My guess is that would not go on on this forum, but you never know.