Apple 8-Core and Final Cut Studio..? at DVinfo.net

Scott Shama · May 14th, 2007, 04:46 PM

Hi All,

Anyone using this setup? Just curious to know if you're benefiting from the additional cores with Final Cut Studio (rendering, compressor..)... Also, please let me know if you are editing HDV native..

Thanks,

Scott

Cole McDonald · May 14th, 2007, 06:53 PM

I would assume that if the threading didn't specifically use the extra processors, you could setup a local Qmaster farm for compressor and/or shake to use...not sure if FCP actually uses Qmaster at all.

Kevin Laster · May 14th, 2007, 10:27 PM

Statistics have shown that the 8-core Mac Pro doesn't really work that much faster then a Quad-Core processor, mostly due to applications not being used to threading across 8-cores. I suggest waiting for Leopard to come out because most of the pro applications will be redone for better 8-Core usage.

Steve Benner · May 15th, 2007, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Laster

Statistics have shown that the 8-core Mac Pro doesn't really work that much faster then a Quad-Core processor, mostly due to applications not being used to threading across 8-cores. I suggest waiting for Leopard to come out because most of the pro applications will be redone for better 8-Core usage.

I heard that it had to do largely with the amount of RAM as well since the Cores can get "Bottlenecked." I heard the 8-Cores do work in Compressor and FCP in regards to rendering though. Apple is already releasing a new Pro update (hopefully later today in fact, if the rumors are true) so I don't see how Leopard will change anything.

Scott Shama · May 15th, 2007, 10:28 AM

Do you mean releasing a MacPro update today....? If yes, where id you read that? I've seen potential updates on almost eveything else but not macpro's since they just released the 8 Core....

Scott

Vishad Dewan · May 15th, 2007, 10:38 AM

Ditto, Scott. The 8-core advantage won't come into play until Leopard jumps out of the bush country. I suspect there will certainly be a performance jump with the 8-core/FCP6 combo, but that will have to wait to be seen.

My experience with larger processors is that there comes a point where increase the number of chips doesn't really make all that much of a difference. For instance, going from a PowerMac G5 dual to a quad would show some benefit, but not too much, depending on the applications. Now jumping from a quad to a oct...uhh...8-core will most definately offer radical improvements in SOME areas, but not all the way across the board. As for rendering and editing in FCP, I can almost bet Apple has some sort of special specs that would wow people when the app/8-core combination is used.

Gene Crucean · May 15th, 2007, 11:32 AM

I think it depends more on what type of performance you are talking about. Rendering performance should dramatically increase, while things like opengl performance will not as they are strictly dependent on your video card. Motion is one area that will not see too much performance gain until you render. Speaking of which, why doesn't apple ever update their video cards... jeez.

I want 8800 GTX's available directly from the store. Or anywhere for that matter. Does anyone know where I can pick up that card for a mac?

Brian Orchard · May 15th, 2007, 12:29 PM

I just ordered my 3.0 Quad as per the apple tech saying that the new os is written to use 1g (up to 2g) of ram per processer and final cut 6 will take full advantage of this, I hope this wasn't a line of bull

Jonathan Poritsky · May 15th, 2007, 02:20 PM

Haven't used it yet, but AE CS3 should blaze with the 8-core as it scales itself to the different cores or some other mumbo jumbo. Anyone out there want to explain that business? I imagine Motion should fly with it as well. But there's not much actually within FCP that would benefit from the 8-core, except when referencing embedded motion files or maybe using the new motion templates for lower thirds and such. Waiting to see how Color works with different systems. I hope the scopes look a bit nicer on live refresh than within FCP, but I imagin one may need faster processor's for that? Unfortunately, I just know how to turn the things on and use them, but I know a ton of folks on the forum can really explain the inner workings. Anyway, I can't wait for FCS2, which apparently should be shipping May 22, according to my order at PCMall. Can't wait.

May 14th, 2007, 04:46 PM	#1
Scott Shama Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 399	Apple 8-Core and Final Cut Studio..? Hi All, Anyone using this setup? Just curious to know if you're benefiting from the additional cores with Final Cut Studio (rendering, compressor..)... Also, please let me know if you are editing HDV native.. Thanks, Scott

May 14th, 2007, 06:53 PM	#2
Cole McDonald Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN, USA Posts: 1,675	I would assume that if the threading didn't specifically use the extra processors, you could setup a local Qmaster farm for compressor and/or shake to use...not sure if FCP actually uses Qmaster at all. __________________ Web Youtube Facebook

May 15th, 2007, 02:20 PM	#9
Jonathan Poritsky Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 51	Haven't used it yet, but AE CS3 should blaze with the 8-core as it scales itself to the different cores or some other mumbo jumbo. Anyone out there want to explain that business? I imagine Motion should fly with it as well. But there's not much actually within FCP that would benefit from the 8-core, except when referencing embedded motion files or maybe using the new motion templates for lower thirds and such. Waiting to see how Color works with different systems. I hope the scopes look a bit nicer on live refresh than within FCP, but I imagin one may need faster processor's for that? Unfortunately, I just know how to turn the things on and use them, but I know a ton of folks on the forum can really explain the inner workings. Anyway, I can't wait for FCS2, which apparently should be shipping May 22, according to my order at PCMall. Can't wait. __________________ www.poritsky.com

May 14th, 2007, 10:27 PM	#3
Kevin Laster New Boot Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 13	Statistics have shown that the 8-core Mac Pro doesn't really work that much faster then a Quad-Core processor, mostly due to applications not being used to threading across 8-cores. I suggest waiting for Leopard to come out because most of the pro applications will be redone for better 8-Core usage.

May 15th, 2007, 10:28 AM	#5
Scott Shama Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 399	Do you mean releasing a MacPro update today....? If yes, where id you read that? I've seen potential updates on almost eveything else but not macpro's since they just released the 8 Core.... Scott

May 15th, 2007, 10:38 AM	#6
Vishad Dewan Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Yuba City, Ca Posts: 126	Ditto, Scott. The 8-core advantage won't come into play until Leopard jumps out of the bush country. I suspect there will certainly be a performance jump with the 8-core/FCP6 combo, but that will have to wait to be seen. My experience with larger processors is that there comes a point where increase the number of chips doesn't really make all that much of a difference. For instance, going from a PowerMac G5 dual to a quad would show some benefit, but not too much, depending on the applications. Now jumping from a quad to a oct...uhh...8-core will most definately offer radical improvements in SOME areas, but not all the way across the board. As for rendering and editing in FCP, I can almost bet Apple has some sort of special specs that would wow people when the app/8-core combination is used.

May 15th, 2007, 11:32 AM	#7
Gene Crucean Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 295	I think it depends more on what type of performance you are talking about. Rendering performance should dramatically increase, while things like opengl performance will not as they are strictly dependent on your video card. Motion is one area that will not see too much performance gain until you render. Speaking of which, why doesn't apple ever update their video cards... jeez. I want 8800 GTX's available directly from the store. Or anywhere for that matter. Does anyone know where I can pick up that card for a mac?

May 15th, 2007, 12:29 PM	#8
Brian Orchard Tourist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Spring Hill Fl Posts: 3	I just ordered my 3.0 Quad as per the apple tech saying that the new os is written to use 1g (up to 2g) of ram per processer and final cut 6 will take full advantage of this, I hope this wasn't a line of bull