Advice needed --firewire cable at DVinfo.net

Stylianos Moschapidakis · April 18th, 2003, 10:49 PM

Any help, advice, or input regarding the following questions would be very much appreciate it. Thank you.

1. What's (are) the difference(s) between a 6-foot, 20-dollar firewire cable and a 60-dollar one of the same length?

2. What kind of firewire cable would you recommend? (Brand, length, etc..)

Ken Tanaka · April 18th, 2003, 11:23 PM

Welcome Stylianos,

1. 40 dollars. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) But, seriously, that may be the sole truth. I honestly would not dream of paying $60 for a 6 foot Firewire cable. $20 even seems a bit steep. Unlike, say, home sound system cables which -might- be able to claim quality of analog signal transmission differences, Firewire carries a digital signal. (6-pin to 6-pin cables also carry power.) It either works or it doesn't. No such thing as "works better".

2. That said, I'd recommend a moderately priced "value" brand, such as Belkin. Certainly not a premium brand such as Monster Cable. There is a practical length limit to Firewire cable. (Use Search here if you're interested, since I recall this was discussed recently.) In general, I wouldn't recommend a cable longer than you really need. The -really- long Firewire cables, such as those sold by Markertec, run hundreds of dollars.

p.s. Please don't double-post questions.

Chris Hurd · April 19th, 2003, 12:12 AM

Here's what I'm using: six feet for ten bucks.

http://www.cablesonline.com/ieee1fircab.html

Hope this helps,

Stylianos Moschapidakis · April 19th, 2003, 08:12 AM

Guys, thank you for the info; I appreciate it.

I posted those two questions above because I read somewhere --I can't recall where-- that different FW cables provide different speeds and that some of them work without repeaters. True or false?

Thanks again.

Vic Owen · April 19th, 2003, 09:55 AM

I think false. As Ken mentioned, FW is digital -- it either works or it doesn't. Sounds like the kind of hype that Monster cable would like us to believe. Go with the inexpensive recommendations.

Jeff Price · April 19th, 2003, 10:18 AM

I read somewhere that the better cables (but that even includes the Belkins) are shielded implying that there could be magnetic intereference with the data transfer (they may be 1s and 0s but you don't want any corruption to occur in transit). This could easily be hype to convince you to buy more expensive cables.

On the other hand, if you have an iPod you have experience with how small and flimsy a firewire cable it uses! And all of my external drives use a cable that is somewhere in between the iPod cable and the Belkin cable.

The only real caution is that there were reports of some bad, cheap cables out there - they had been mis-wired and people fried their firewire drives/boards.

Harry Baxter · April 20th, 2003, 08:25 PM

Good & cheap. Here's the link:

http://www.trianglecables.com/firili13cabs1.html

Bud Kuenzli · April 22nd, 2003, 04:07 PM

you'll see ...what...capacitators?...on the better firewire cables and they will be thicker because of internal shielding. Better internal soldering/connections can also mean less chance of damaging a firewire port due to shorting something out. There is a lot of discussion on the net regarding firewire ports being killed by hot swapping non-powered devices and one of the big culprits people are pointing to are cheap firewire cables. They are NOT all made alike. I'd look for a good reputable maker, which doesn't always translate to the most expensive. Can't make any particular recommendations. Sorry.

Jeff Donald · April 22nd, 2003, 10:09 PM

I think you can strike a happy medium. I don't recommend buying Monster Cables etc. Gold contacts, oxygen pure copper and the like are hardly needed for DV. But likewise, don't buy the cheapest cables you can find. Cheap cables have been linked to dropped frames and other issues as Bud points out. Buy quality cables from a name brand. After all, you don't buy Acme Brand video tape, why buy Acme Brand cables. To save a few dollars? Not worth the risk in my book.

Stylianos Moschapidakis · April 23rd, 2003, 10:56 AM

I'd like to thank eveyone for your input. You all have been very helpful.

April 18th, 2003, 10:49 PM	#1
Stylianos Moschapidakis Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cambridge, MA/Crete, Greece Posts: 189	Advice needed --firewire cable Any help, advice, or input regarding the following questions would be very much appreciate it. Thank you. 1. What's (are) the difference(s) between a 6-foot, 20-dollar firewire cable and a 60-dollar one of the same length? 2. What kind of firewire cable would you recommend? (Brand, length, etc..) __________________ Stelios G.M.

April 18th, 2003, 11:23 PM	#2
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Welcome Stylianos, 1. 40 dollars. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) But, seriously, that may be the sole truth. I honestly would not dream of paying $60 for a 6 foot Firewire cable. $20 even seems a bit steep. Unlike, say, home sound system cables which -might- be able to claim quality of analog signal transmission differences, Firewire carries a digital signal. (6-pin to 6-pin cables also carry power.) It either works or it doesn't. No such thing as "works better". 2. That said, I'd recommend a moderately priced "value" brand, such as Belkin. Certainly not a premium brand such as Monster Cable. There is a practical length limit to Firewire cable. (Use Search here if you're interested, since I recall this was discussed recently.) In general, I wouldn't recommend a cable longer than you really need. The -really- long Firewire cables, such as those sold by Markertec, run hundreds of dollars. p.s. Please don't double-post questions. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

April 19th, 2003, 12:12 AM	#3
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Here's what I'm using: six feet for ten bucks. http://www.cablesonline.com/ieee1fircab.html Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 19th, 2003, 08:12 AM	#4
Stylianos Moschapidakis Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cambridge, MA/Crete, Greece Posts: 189	Guys, thank you for the info; I appreciate it. I posted those two questions above because I read somewhere --I can't recall where-- that different FW cables provide different speeds and that some of them work without repeaters. True or false? Thanks again. __________________ Stelios G.M.

April 19th, 2003, 09:55 AM	#5
Vic Owen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 540	I think false. As Ken mentioned, FW is digital -- it either works or it doesn't. Sounds like the kind of hype that Monster cable would like us to believe. Go with the inexpensive recommendations. __________________ -- Vic Owen --

April 19th, 2003, 10:18 AM	#6
Jeff Price Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chico, California Posts: 357	I read somewhere that the better cables (but that even includes the Belkins) are shielded implying that there could be magnetic intereference with the data transfer (they may be 1s and 0s but you don't want any corruption to occur in transit). This could easily be hype to convince you to buy more expensive cables. On the other hand, if you have an iPod you have experience with how small and flimsy a firewire cable it uses! And all of my external drives use a cable that is somewhere in between the iPod cable and the Belkin cable. The only real caution is that there were reports of some bad, cheap cables out there - they had been mis-wired and people fried their firewire drives/boards. __________________ Jeff Price Flickerflix Nature Videos flickerflix@yahoo.com

April 20th, 2003, 08:25 PM	#7
Harry Baxter New Boot Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dahlonega, Ga. Posts: 5	Good & cheap. Here's the link: http://www.trianglecables.com/firili13cabs1.html

April 22nd, 2003, 04:07 PM	#8
Bud Kuenzli Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: North Pole, Alaska Posts: 197	cheap firewire you'll see ...what...capacitators?...on the better firewire cables and they will be thicker because of internal shielding. Better internal soldering/connections can also mean less chance of damaging a firewire port due to shorting something out. There is a lot of discussion on the net regarding firewire ports being killed by hot swapping non-powered devices and one of the big culprits people are pointing to are cheap firewire cables. They are NOT all made alike. I'd look for a good reputable maker, which doesn't always translate to the most expensive. Can't make any particular recommendations. Sorry. __________________ on the Internet, when you get where you're going you still don't know where you are

April 22nd, 2003, 10:09 PM	#9
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	I think you can strike a happy medium. I don't recommend buying Monster Cables etc. Gold contacts, oxygen pure copper and the like are hardly needed for DV. But likewise, don't buy the cheapest cables you can find. Cheap cables have been linked to dropped frames and other issues as Bud points out. Buy quality cables from a name brand. After all, you don't buy Acme Brand video tape, why buy Acme Brand cables. To save a few dollars? Not worth the risk in my book. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

April 23rd, 2003, 10:56 AM	#10
Stylianos Moschapidakis Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cambridge, MA/Crete, Greece Posts: 189	I'd like to thank eveyone for your input. You all have been very helpful. __________________ Stelios G.M.