FCP 24p workflow for the Sony HVRV1U at DVinfo.net

Heath McKnight · February 21st, 2007, 10:31 PM

I wrote this for VASST, which Spot is the senior trainer, producer, head honcho, etc.:

http://www.vasst.com/resource.aspx?i...c-8b9c16742785

Have fun! (And thanks to Graeme Nattress for the big help, Patrick Speicher for the camera and Matt Beers for getting out from behind the camera. Thanks to Chris Hurd for allowing me to post this, and Spot/VASST for their continuing support.)

heath

Greg Quinn · February 21st, 2007, 11:29 PM

Heath,
thanks very much for writing this - a very helpful article.

Heath McKnight · February 22nd, 2007, 11:36 AM

My pleasure,

Heath

Alphonse Swinehart · February 22nd, 2007, 05:44 PM

This looks like it's only for 24p. What about 30p?

Alphonse

Douglas Spotted Eagle · February 22nd, 2007, 05:57 PM

There is no pulldown in 30P

Heath McKnight · February 22nd, 2007, 06:08 PM

You beat me to it, Spot, thanks!

Heath

Jiri Bakala · February 22nd, 2007, 09:58 PM

Let me ask; if the 1080i video shot at 24 or 30 fps from the V1 camera looks like 24 or 30p respectively, and the delivery is television (SD/HD), why is it neccessary to remove the pulldown?

And additionally, what would be the workflow for Avid XP?

Heath McKnight · February 22nd, 2007, 10:03 PM

The pulldown was created because of TV delivery and those who don't have TVs that can do this: movie DVDs are 24p and either the DVD player and/or the TV would actually add a pulldown, if either had the capability.

It makes it easier. But many of us want to remove the pulldown if we're going to 24p/progressive scan DVD or even a filmout.

I'll look into a workflow for Avid users.

heath

Jiri Bakala · February 22nd, 2007, 10:12 PM

Thanks Heath, I'll keep checking for the Avid workflow...(if there is one, that is...:-)

Heath McKnight · February 22nd, 2007, 10:17 PM

I haven't worked with Avid in a few years, so I'll talk to Spot and see what he thinks.

heath

Heath McKnight · February 22nd, 2007, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiri Bakala

Thanks Heath, I'll keep checking for the Avid workflow...(if there is one, that is...:-)

One thought occured to me...wouldn't Avid's Intermediate Codec allow you to capture in another flavor of HD, much like the Apple Intermediate Codec? The AIC allows you to remove the pulldown, as well.

If any Avid editors with a V1u can capture with the I.C. in Avid, and see if the pulldown can be removed, post it here!

heath

Jiri Bakala · February 22nd, 2007, 10:27 PM

Are you thinking of DNxHD?

Heath McKnight · February 22nd, 2007, 10:36 PM

Possibly. Can you try?

heath

Jiri Bakala · February 22nd, 2007, 10:49 PM

I am getting a demo camera for the weekend tomorrow, so I will. I am not exactly sure if Avid gives you the option to capture in the selected codec. The usual workflow is to capture in HDV and then transcode into DNxHD. I'll play with it.

Heath McKnight · February 22nd, 2007, 10:50 PM

I captured and change it to Photo - Jpeg at 75% quality, creating basically an Intermediate Codec. I think it might actually work.

hwm

February 21st, 2007, 10:31 PM	#1
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	FCP 24p workflow for the Sony HVRV1U I wrote this for VASST, which Spot is the senior trainer, producer, head honcho, etc.: http://www.vasst.com/resource.aspx?i...c-8b9c16742785 Have fun! (And thanks to Graeme Nattress for the big help, Patrick Speicher for the camera and Matt Beers for getting out from behind the camera. Thanks to Chris Hurd for allowing me to post this, and Spot/VASST for their continuing support.) heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

February 22nd, 2007, 11:36 AM	#3
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	My pleasure, Heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

February 22nd, 2007, 05:57 PM	#5
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	There is no pulldown in 30P __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

February 22nd, 2007, 06:08 PM	#6
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	You beat me to it, Spot, thanks! Heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

February 22nd, 2007, 09:58 PM	#7
Jiri Bakala Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kelowna BC Canada Posts: 706	Let me ask; if the 1080i video shot at 24 or 30 fps from the V1 camera looks like 24 or 30p respectively, and the delivery is television (SD/HD), why is it neccessary to remove the pulldown? And additionally, what would be the workflow for Avid XP? __________________ www.ascentfilms.com

February 21st, 2007, 11:29 PM	#2
Greg Quinn Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 505	Heath, thanks very much for writing this - a very helpful article.

February 22nd, 2007, 05:44 PM	#4
Alphonse Swinehart New Boot Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 10	This looks like it's only for 24p. What about 30p? Alphonse

February 22nd, 2007, 10:03 PM	#8
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	The pulldown was created because of TV delivery and those who don't have TVs that can do this: movie DVDs are 24p and either the DVD player and/or the TV would actually add a pulldown, if either had the capability. It makes it easier. But many of us want to remove the pulldown if we're going to 24p/progressive scan DVD or even a filmout. I'll look into a workflow for Avid users. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

February 22nd, 2007, 10:12 PM	#9
Jiri Bakala Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kelowna BC Canada Posts: 706	Thanks Heath, I'll keep checking for the Avid workflow...(if there is one, that is...:-) __________________ www.ascentfilms.com

February 22nd, 2007, 10:17 PM	#10
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I haven't worked with Avid in a few years, so I'll talk to Spot and see what he thinks. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

February 22nd, 2007, 10:27 PM	#12
Jiri Bakala Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kelowna BC Canada Posts: 706	Are you thinking of DNxHD? __________________ www.ascentfilms.com

February 22nd, 2007, 10:36 PM	#13
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Possibly. Can you try? heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

February 22nd, 2007, 10:49 PM	#14
Jiri Bakala Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kelowna BC Canada Posts: 706	I am getting a demo camera for the weekend tomorrow, so I will. I am not exactly sure if Avid gives you the option to capture in the selected codec. The usual workflow is to capture in HDV and then transcode into DNxHD. I'll play with it. __________________ www.ascentfilms.com

February 22nd, 2007, 10:50 PM	#15
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I captured and change it to Photo - Jpeg at 75% quality, creating basically an Intermediate Codec. I think it might actually work. hwm __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog