Hd201 and Final Cut pro Capture probs at DVinfo.net

Phil Bloom · February 7th, 2007, 01:16 PM

Just got the camera. Very nice. At the moment though I cannot capture anything into Final Cut Pro (it's the late 5.1.2 or whatever the latest is)

I know 720p50 isnt accepted yet but I have shot some stuff 720p25 and nothing is coming in, i can control the deck but no picture or sound is coming through. If I click capture now it says no data is being transmitted.

any ideas?

Marc Jayson · February 7th, 2007, 01:34 PM

Maybe the the Firewire HDV/DV Switch on the side of the cam?

Phil Bloom · February 7th, 2007, 02:00 PM

its set to hdv. This is very frustrating!

what settings are people using...and when do we think FCP will be updated to accept 720p50?

Tyson Perkins · February 7th, 2007, 02:19 PM

i had the same problem - but i bought a different firewire cable the next day and it worked?

Phil Bloom · February 7th, 2007, 02:35 PM

tried that too...

Phil Bloom · February 7th, 2007, 03:45 PM

found the problem...my firewire dv line protector was causing problems.

so to avoid any firewire blowing issues used a 4 pin to 6 pin firewire lead with a 4 pin to 6 pin adaptor...too many issues in the past with firewire

makes me paranoid!

Heather Cook · February 7th, 2007, 04:55 PM

Do we have a timeline as to when 720 x 50p will be a usable format, no native support anywhere not even with the DR-HD100 recorder. Perhaps we should have held off on purchasing these cameras until the format was readily available.

My 2 cents, Heather

Justin Ferar · February 7th, 2007, 05:11 PM

People in PAL land,

I just checked the Black Magic sight and found that Decklink supports 720p50. I realize that some may not want to spend the extra $1K US but for those who maybe didn't know- you could be up and running in no time. Ofcourse you need a PCI-e mac or PC.

Just thought I'd put it out there.

Phil Bloom · February 7th, 2007, 05:37 PM

i have a kona lhe card that supports 720p50...but are there any fcp timeline settings that do?

Justin Ferar · February 7th, 2007, 07:55 PM

Phil,

DVC Pro HD 720p50 would be the best option, which is an available preset in FCP. Not sure about other NLE's. You'd be best served by a RAID array working with DVC Pro HD.

If you don't have the JVC HDV deck then you can still digitize with component cables and just use the firewire for TC/machine control.

If I had a Kona LH I certainly wouldn't be futzing with HDV at all- just digitize as DVC Pro HD at 720p50.

Best.

Heather Cook · February 7th, 2007, 11:10 PM

Hi all, while you can capture via sdi I have been told on this forum that the quality is slightly downgraded when doing so, as opposed to capturing native HDV.

Regards, Heather

Jemore Santos · February 7th, 2007, 11:30 PM

Hey heather and other people in Australia,

Where did you get your HD201's? I thought we hadn't got them in yet?

Tyson Perkins · February 7th, 2007, 11:40 PM

Abit before Christmas i recieved mine.

Justin Ferar · February 8th, 2007, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heather Cook

Hi all, while you can capture via sdi I have been told on this forum that the quality is slightly downgraded when doing so, as opposed to capturing native HDV.

While there is a conversion to "baseband SDI" the conversion IMO would be absolutely imperceptible, though I have not done any tests. I don't think one would even be able to detect component analog either because the Kona & Decklink cards are so good at D/A conversion.

I plan on doing many tests as soon as our DT-V20L1U HD monitor arrives. Until then I can't really make any conclusions.

David Knaggs · February 8th, 2007, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heather Cook

Hi all, while you can capture via sdi I have been told on this forum that the quality is slightly downgraded when doing so, as opposed to capturing native HDV.

Hi Heather.

Could you please provide the link where it states that SDI downgrades quality (making it even less preferable to the aggressive MPEG-2 compression used in HDV)?

My understanding of SDI is that it's used in high-end post production because it is fully digital and has no video compression, so it doesn't suffer from any image degradation.

I would have thought that the benefit of the HD-SDI output from the HD250/251 was the main reason for the higher price over the HD200/201.

So I'm very interested to see where you read that, because it sounds like it could be false data. Unless I'm missing some information.

February 7th, 2007, 01:16 PM	#1
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	Hd201 and Final Cut pro Capture probs Just got the camera. Very nice. At the moment though I cannot capture anything into Final Cut Pro (it's the late 5.1.2 or whatever the latest is) I know 720p50 isnt accepted yet but I have shot some stuff 720p25 and nothing is coming in, i can control the deck but no picture or sound is coming through. If I click capture now it says no data is being transmitted. any ideas? __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

February 7th, 2007, 02:00 PM	#3
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	its set to hdv. This is very frustrating! what settings are people using...and when do we think FCP will be updated to accept 720p50? __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

February 7th, 2007, 02:35 PM	#5
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	tried that too... __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

February 7th, 2007, 03:45 PM	#6
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	found the problem...my firewire dv line protector was causing problems. so to avoid any firewire blowing issues used a 4 pin to 6 pin firewire lead with a 4 pin to 6 pin adaptor...too many issues in the past with firewire makes me paranoid! __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

February 7th, 2007, 04:55 PM	#7
Heather Cook New Boot Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northern Territory, Australia Posts: 23	Do we have a timeline as to when 720 x 50p will be a usable format, no native support anywhere not even with the DR-HD100 recorder. Perhaps we should have held off on purchasing these cameras until the format was readily available. My 2 cents, Heather __________________ x2 Dual Core AMD Opteron 275, Microsoft Window XP (32bit) 3GB RAM, Blackmagic Multibridge Pro, Adobe Premiere Pro2, MAC Pro, Final Cut Studio, Black Magic Multibridge Extreme JVC GY-HD251E

February 7th, 2007, 01:34 PM	#2
Marc Jayson Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Hague, The Netherlands Posts: 112	Maybe the the Firewire HDV/DV Switch on the side of the cam?

February 7th, 2007, 02:19 PM	#4
Tyson Perkins Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: sydney, australia Posts: 221	i had the same problem - but i bought a different firewire cable the next day and it worked?

February 7th, 2007, 05:11 PM	#8
Justin Ferar Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Larkspur, CA Posts: 378	People in PAL land, I just checked the Black Magic sight and found that Decklink supports 720p50. I realize that some may not want to spend the extra $1K US but for those who maybe didn't know- you could be up and running in no time. Ofcourse you need a PCI-e mac or PC. Just thought I'd put it out there. __________________ www.justinferar.com www.weddingsonfilm.com

February 7th, 2007, 05:37 PM	#9
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	i have a kona lhe card that supports 720p50...but are there any fcp timeline settings that do? __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

February 7th, 2007, 07:55 PM	#10
Justin Ferar Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Larkspur, CA Posts: 378	Phil, DVC Pro HD 720p50 would be the best option, which is an available preset in FCP. Not sure about other NLE's. You'd be best served by a RAID array working with DVC Pro HD. If you don't have the JVC HDV deck then you can still digitize with component cables and just use the firewire for TC/machine control. If I had a Kona LH I certainly wouldn't be futzing with HDV at all- just digitize as DVC Pro HD at 720p50. Best. __________________ www.justinferar.com www.weddingsonfilm.com

February 7th, 2007, 11:10 PM	#11
Heather Cook New Boot Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northern Territory, Australia Posts: 23	Hi all, while you can capture via sdi I have been told on this forum that the quality is slightly downgraded when doing so, as opposed to capturing native HDV. Regards, Heather __________________ x2 Dual Core AMD Opteron 275, Microsoft Window XP (32bit) 3GB RAM, Blackmagic Multibridge Pro, Adobe Premiere Pro2, MAC Pro, Final Cut Studio, Black Magic Multibridge Extreme JVC GY-HD251E

February 7th, 2007, 11:30 PM	#12
Jemore Santos Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tokyo/Sydney Posts: 297	Hey heather and other people in Australia, Where did you get your HD201's? I thought we hadn't got them in yet? __________________ "eyes through a digital world"

February 7th, 2007, 11:40 PM	#13
Tyson Perkins Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: sydney, australia Posts: 221	Abit before Christmas i recieved mine.