FCP & external monitor at DVinfo.net

Marco van Belle · January 21st, 2007, 06:29 AM

Sorry if this shows me up to be a technophile, but while I know my camera & shooting I really struggle with computer issues.

I'm cutting on FCP on an iMac. Shooting on a Z1.

My old setup was Pinnacle Liquid on a PC & a PD 150. When I had the 150 connected via firewire to the PC, it provided a 2-way feed. IE: When connected I could play in tape from the camera to the edit system, and when I was playing footage in the timeline the picture appeared on the LCD of the cam. I used to then connect the camera to an external monitor, thereby getting a nice full screen version of the timeline footage instead of being limited to the on-screen viewing window.

Now I'm trying the same thing with my Z1 and FCP. Firewire from Z1 to the mac, then S-Video from the Z1 to a sony monitor - but no image coming back to the cam from the computer.

Is there anything obvious I'm missing? Perhaps in FCP / mac settings?

Any ideas greatly appreciated.

Marco

Martin Mayer · January 21st, 2007, 07:44 AM

Marco - just a quick gut-reaction check: you're NOT trying to do this with HDV footage are you? That will not work - HDV footage will NOT come out of the Mac's Firewire port in realtime from your timeline.

This is all standard definition DV, right?

Gunleik Groven · January 21st, 2007, 08:45 AM

You'll need another monitor solution for HD in general.

The cheapest and worst:
Buy an Apple 23" and connect through DVI
Use FCP "digital Cinema Desktop for preview

As you're on an iMac, I'm not familiar with a way you can get a HD-SDI signal out of the box, but if there is, the cheapest way from there would probably be a HD-Link to an Apple Cinema Display 23"

Better still:
Get an HD-SDI capable calibrated broadcast monitor like the Panasonic 17"

Gunleik

Nick Weeks · January 21st, 2007, 10:36 AM

In another thread where I had a similar question, Matrox MXO was mentioned. THis is a really handy device that will take the HD output either to DVI, composite, or component video to SD output. A cheap option for previewing HD if you're not actually delivering HD just yet. Worth a look...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

Boyd Ostroff · January 21st, 2007, 11:21 AM

Hi Marco! Instead of covering old ground again, please see the following:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=83917
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=84129
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=82391

Marco van Belle · January 22nd, 2007, 10:35 AM

Thanks for all the replies.

No WAY am I trying this with HDV - just good ol' SD material.

Boyd - sorry if I'm repeating. I think the links you directed me to all deal with HDV or more complex DV issues. I'm having what I think is a very simple problem where the solution may be staring me in the face. Perhaps it's a Z1 setting? Either way, my SD firewire doesn't seem to be 2 way enabled.

If, however, the answer does lie in those other links, then apologies. The fact that I can't see it shows I should probably enroll in a computer evening class or something.

Boyd Ostroff · January 22nd, 2007, 12:56 PM

OK, I thought you were using HDV. With the Z1 in VCR mode, check to be sure it's set for DV and not HDV. It should work, have done it myself a number of times.

Jeff Krepner · January 22nd, 2007, 01:28 PM

What about the Black Magic Intensity HDMI card to an external monitor with a HDMI connection?

Seems that for $250 that would be the cheapest and best i/o. Has anyone tried it?

(edit: I see that he isn't using HDV footage.)

January 21st, 2007, 06:29 AM	#1
Marco van Belle Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 58	FCP & external monitor Sorry if this shows me up to be a technophile, but while I know my camera & shooting I really struggle with computer issues. I'm cutting on FCP on an iMac. Shooting on a Z1. My old setup was Pinnacle Liquid on a PC & a PD 150. When I had the 150 connected via firewire to the PC, it provided a 2-way feed. IE: When connected I could play in tape from the camera to the edit system, and when I was playing footage in the timeline the picture appeared on the LCD of the cam. I used to then connect the camera to an external monitor, thereby getting a nice full screen version of the timeline footage instead of being limited to the on-screen viewing window. Now I'm trying the same thing with my Z1 and FCP. Firewire from Z1 to the mac, then S-Video from the Z1 to a sony monitor - but no image coming back to the cam from the computer. Is there anything obvious I'm missing? Perhaps in FCP / mac settings? Any ideas greatly appreciated. Marco __________________ If you're gonna do it...be a total control freak and do it 150% right. Then, if you screw up, it's still gonna rock.

January 21st, 2007, 07:44 AM	#2
Martin Mayer Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Oxfordshire, UK Posts: 416	Marco - just a quick gut-reaction check: you're NOT trying to do this with HDV footage are you? That will not work - HDV footage will NOT come out of the Mac's Firewire port in realtime from your timeline. This is all standard definition DV, right? __________________ Martin at HeadSpin HD on Blu-ray

January 21st, 2007, 08:45 AM	#3
Gunleik Groven Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Espa - Norway Posts: 151	You'll need another monitor solution for HD in general. The cheapest and worst: Buy an Apple 23" and connect through DVI Use FCP "digital Cinema Desktop for preview As you're on an iMac, I'm not familiar with a way you can get a HD-SDI signal out of the box, but if there is, the cheapest way from there would probably be a HD-Link to an Apple Cinema Display 23" Better still: Get an HD-SDI capable calibrated broadcast monitor like the Panasonic 17" Gunleik __________________ Red? Sure!

January 22nd, 2007, 10:35 AM	#6
Marco van Belle Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 58	Thanks all Thanks for all the replies. No WAY am I trying this with HDV - just good ol' SD material. Boyd - sorry if I'm repeating. I think the links you directed me to all deal with HDV or more complex DV issues. I'm having what I think is a very simple problem where the solution may be staring me in the face. Perhaps it's a Z1 setting? Either way, my SD firewire doesn't seem to be 2 way enabled. If, however, the answer does lie in those other links, then apologies. The fact that I can't see it shows I should probably enroll in a computer evening class or something. __________________ If you're gonna do it...be a total control freak and do it 150% right. Then, if you screw up, it's still gonna rock.

January 21st, 2007, 10:36 AM	#4
Nick Weeks Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL USA Posts: 722	In another thread where I had a similar question, Matrox MXO was mentioned. THis is a really handy device that will take the HD output either to DVI, composite, or component video to SD output. A cheap option for previewing HD if you're not actually delivering HD just yet. Worth a look... http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

January 21st, 2007, 11:21 AM	#5
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,801	Hi Marco! Instead of covering old ground again, please see the following: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=83917 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=84129 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=82391

January 22nd, 2007, 12:56 PM	#7
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,801	OK, I thought you were using HDV. With the Z1 in VCR mode, check to be sure it's set for DV and not HDV. It should work, have done it myself a number of times.

January 22nd, 2007, 01:28 PM	#8
Jeff Krepner Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Timonium, MD Posts: 142	What about the Black Magic Intensity HDMI card to an external monitor with a HDMI connection? Seems that for $250 that would be the cheapest and best i/o. Has anyone tried it? (edit: I see that he isn't using HDV footage.)