Apple Safari

Paul Sedillo · January 9th, 2003, 05:33 PM

Apple is getting into the browser game:

http://www.apple.com/safari/

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Safari offers you a superior Web experience with outstanding performance. Even the most complex of pages load at breakneck speed. In fact, Safari loads pages more quickly than any other Mac Web browser. But that’s not all. Safari uses the advanced interface technologies underlying Mac OS X to offer you an all-new view of the Web, one that’s much easier to use.

Speed racer
Safari zips right by Microsoft’s Internet Explorer for the Macintosh. You’ll notice that right away when you launch the program — Safari is 40% quicker. And you’ll really appreciate it when it comes to downloading pages, since Safari loads them three times faster than Internet Explorer 5.2.2. Safari is no laggard when it comes to JavaScript either — it’s more than twice as fast as Internet Explorer. Of course, Internet Explorer isn’t the only other browser around, and Safari whizzes past the rest of the competition, too.*

Rick Spilman · January 9th, 2003, 06:03 PM

I recently did a web site for a client. Cute little site. Used a smattering of FLASH and DHTML. We made one revision and suddenly the layers didn't scroll on his Apple. Worked fine on PC's just not his G4. Went back over the code and slightly nuts and then suddenly it worked again. Who knows why.

Already a web designer needs to worry about the various flavors of Explorer, Navigator, AOL, and Opera. And now Steve Jobs gives us another variant to have to desgn to. Curse you Jobs.

Rick

Jeff Donald · January 9th, 2003, 06:21 PM

If IE or Navigator did their homework and showed some innovations or improvements in the last 2 years Safari wouldn't stand a chance. Instead, IE is bloatware. No new features in 2 years and the only upgrades are to fix security problems. Curse you Bill Gates is more like it.

Jeff

Rick Spilman · January 9th, 2003, 06:54 PM

Innovation, improvement, Gates. Not usually three words you see in the same paragraph.

Rick

Jeff Donald · January 9th, 2003, 07:41 PM

If you like Safari, then maybe you should Safari Enhancer http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/17776 It enables some hidden features in Safari.

Jeff

Alex Taylor · January 9th, 2003, 07:42 PM

One thing that is desperately needed is some sort of standard for web browsers in how they display pages. It's very frustrating optimizating a site for both Netscape and IE, let alone any of those other browsers. If we all had a universal standard that all these browsers were based on, it would be a lot easier on us designers!

Paul Sedillo · January 9th, 2003, 07:52 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Rick Spilman : I recently did a web site for a client. Cute little site. Used a smattering of FLASH and DHTML. We made one revision and suddenly the layers didn't scroll on his Apple. Worked fine on PC's just not his G4. Went back over the code and slightly nuts and then suddenly it worked again. Who knows why.

Already a web designer needs to worry about the various flavors of Explorer, Navigator, AOL, and Opera. And now Steve Jobs gives us another variant to have to desgn to. Curse you Jobs.

Rick -->>>

As a designer I have encountered the same problem. Nothing like having a CSS not want to play nice with a certain type of browser. Makes me mad just thinking about it!

Ken Tanaka · January 9th, 2003, 08:02 PM

In nearly 2 days of use I've not hit a site that Safari did not render correctly. In fact it seems to handle complex pages much better than IE does.

Safari did crash hard once on Yahoo; no apparent reason. It's also just stopped at least twice.

The pop-up blocker is also very, very nice to have.

Rick Spilman · January 9th, 2003, 08:08 PM

"Safari did crash hard once on Yahoo; no apparent reason. It's also just stopped at least twice."

Yahoo has the same effect on me too.

Rick

Paul Sedillo · January 9th, 2003, 10:22 PM

My question is how do I import my links from Chimera?? There must be a path somewhere that is storing this puppies.

Jeff Donald · January 9th, 2003, 10:26 PM

Safari enhancer is supposed have a better way to import bookmarks from IE and chimera.

Jeff

Thomas Berg Petersen · January 16th, 2003, 11:14 AM

I am having some problems accessing my hotmail account using Safari. I guess one would have to log in via your instant messenger which is a little annoying. Otherwise I am very impressed.

Jeff Donald · January 19th, 2003, 12:48 AM

I've been using Safari for several days now and and I'm not switching yet. Chimera (Navigator) is a little slower on many sites, faster on a few. But it has better compatibility on secure sites, banks etc. and has fewer render problems. I would give up Chimera, except for one feature, that I've found indispensable . Tabbed browsing. It is so much faster in my day to day work. My posts here and other sites consume a few hours a day. If I can speed that up I'm a happy camper. Tabbed browsing does just that. I can have multiple windows (tabs) open and quickly switch from one to the others and back. When Safari adds tabbed browsing I'll switch for the speed. Until then, Chimera is the faster workflow.

Jeff

Steve Nunez · January 22nd, 2003, 10:05 PM

Big Mac fan here (not the hamburger)..........Safari is slower on my system than IE is.......I'm using a G4-933 with 1.5GB ram and DSL connection.........

I want to like Safari- but it's slower than IE- it also stutters on some pagesand I can't tell if something's loading or not.......

hopefully Apple will get it to work as fast as they're claiming.

Robert Knecht Schmidt · June 14th, 2003, 11:34 AM

Apparently, Safari has been successful enough to push Microsoft to discontinue IE/Mac.

One less browser to have to validate for...

When will Microsoft have the cajones to build a popup stopper into IE/Win?

January 9th, 2003, 05:33 PM	#1
Paul Sedillo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 607	Apple Safari - Web Browser Apple is getting into the browser game: http://www.apple.com/safari/ ----- Safari offers you a superior Web experience with outstanding performance. Even the most complex of pages load at breakneck speed. In fact, Safari loads pages more quickly than any other Mac Web browser. But that’s not all. Safari uses the advanced interface technologies underlying Mac OS X to offer you an all-new view of the Web, one that’s much easier to use. Speed racer Safari zips right by Microsoft’s Internet Explorer for the Macintosh. You’ll notice that right away when you launch the program — Safari is 40% quicker. And you’ll really appreciate it when it comes to downloading pages, since Safari loads them three times faster than Internet Explorer 5.2.2. Safari is no laggard when it comes to JavaScript either — it’s more than twice as fast as Internet Explorer. Of course, Internet Explorer isn’t the only other browser around, and Safari whizzes past the rest of the competition, too.* __________________ Paul Sedillo Image::Studio http://www.image-studio.com Houston, Texas

January 9th, 2003, 07:42 PM	#6
Alex Taylor Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 390	One thing that is desperately needed is some sort of standard for web browsers in how they display pages. It's very frustrating optimizating a site for both Netscape and IE, let alone any of those other browsers. If we all had a universal standard that all these browsers were based on, it would be a lot easier on us designers! __________________ alextaylor.org

January 9th, 2003, 07:52 PM	#7
Paul Sedillo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 607	<<<-- Originally posted by Rick Spilman : I recently did a web site for a client. Cute little site. Used a smattering of FLASH and DHTML. We made one revision and suddenly the layers didn't scroll on his Apple. Worked fine on PC's just not his G4. Went back over the code and slightly nuts and then suddenly it worked again. Who knows why. Already a web designer needs to worry about the various flavors of Explorer, Navigator, AOL, and Opera. And now Steve Jobs gives us another variant to have to desgn to. Curse you Jobs. Rick -->>> As a designer I have encountered the same problem. Nothing like having a CSS not want to play nice with a certain type of browser. Makes me mad just thinking about it! __________________ Paul Sedillo Image::Studio http://www.image-studio.com Houston, Texas

January 9th, 2003, 08:02 PM	#8
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	In nearly 2 days of use I've not hit a site that Safari did not render correctly. In fact it seems to handle complex pages much better than IE does. Safari did crash hard once on Yahoo; no apparent reason. It's also just stopped at least twice. The pop-up blocker is also very, very nice to have. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

January 9th, 2003, 10:22 PM	#10
Paul Sedillo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 607	My question is how do I import my links from Chimera?? There must be a path somewhere that is storing this puppies. __________________ Paul Sedillo Image::Studio http://www.image-studio.com Houston, Texas

January 9th, 2003, 06:03 PM	#2
Rick Spilman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 366	I recently did a web site for a client. Cute little site. Used a smattering of FLASH and DHTML. We made one revision and suddenly the layers didn't scroll on his Apple. Worked fine on PC's just not his G4. Went back over the code and slightly nuts and then suddenly it worked again. Who knows why. Already a web designer needs to worry about the various flavors of Explorer, Navigator, AOL, and Opera. And now Steve Jobs gives us another variant to have to desgn to. Curse you Jobs. Rick

January 9th, 2003, 06:21 PM	#3
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	If IE or Navigator did their homework and showed some innovations or improvements in the last 2 years Safari wouldn't stand a chance. Instead, IE is bloatware. No new features in 2 years and the only upgrades are to fix security problems. Curse you Bill Gates is more like it. Jeff

January 9th, 2003, 06:54 PM	#4
Rick Spilman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 366	Innovation, improvement, Gates. Not usually three words you see in the same paragraph. Rick

January 9th, 2003, 07:41 PM	#5
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	If you like Safari, then maybe you should Safari Enhancer http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/17776 It enables some hidden features in Safari. Jeff

January 9th, 2003, 08:08 PM	#9
Rick Spilman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 366	"Safari did crash hard once on Yahoo; no apparent reason. It's also just stopped at least twice." Yahoo has the same effect on me too. Rick

January 9th, 2003, 10:26 PM	#11
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Safari enhancer is supposed have a better way to import bookmarks from IE and chimera. Jeff

January 16th, 2003, 11:14 AM	#12
Thomas Berg Petersen Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 111	Hotmail problems with Safari I am having some problems accessing my hotmail account using Safari. I guess one would have to log in via your instant messenger which is a little annoying. Otherwise I am very impressed. __________________ Thomas

January 19th, 2003, 12:48 AM	#13
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	I've been using Safari for several days now and and I'm not switching yet. Chimera (Navigator) is a little slower on many sites, faster on a few. But it has better compatibility on secure sites, banks etc. and has fewer render problems. I would give up Chimera, except for one feature, that I've found indispensable . Tabbed browsing. It is so much faster in my day to day work. My posts here and other sites consume a few hours a day. If I can speed that up I'm a happy camper. Tabbed browsing does just that. I can have multiple windows (tabs) open and quickly switch from one to the others and back. When Safari adds tabbed browsing I'll switch for the speed. Until then, Chimera is the faster workflow. Jeff

January 22nd, 2003, 10:05 PM	#14
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	Big Mac fan here (not the hamburger)..........Safari is slower on my system than IE is.......I'm using a G4-933 with 1.5GB ram and DSL connection......... I want to like Safari- but it's slower than IE- it also stutters on some pagesand I can't tell if something's loading or not....... hopefully Apple will get it to work as fast as they're claiming. __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

June 14th, 2003, 11:34 AM	#15
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	Apparently, Safari has been successful enough to push Microsoft to discontinue IE/Mac. One less browser to have to validate for... When will Microsoft have the cajones to build a popup stopper into IE/Win? __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors