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Rob Katz · February 8th, 2012, 07:06 PM

inserting p2 720/60p Bee roll into 1920/24p timeline-how?

i'm a novice with final cut pro 7.

the interviews were shot with 7d/h264 and ex3/1920/24p and everything was transcoded to pro res and put into a 1920/24p timeline.

the client just provided me with Bee roll.

it was shot hvx200/720/60p.

do i need to transcode all the Bee roll to pro res so all will be happy on the 1920/24p timeline?

how will the hvx200/720/60p footage look as 1920/24p footage?

any and all thoughts are appreciated by someone who is happy to learn from those more experienced.

be well.

rob
smalltalk productions

Cameron Poole · February 11th, 2012, 05:30 AM

I've been on FPC7 only a year but in my limited experience when using two different sources there has either been an issue with red render lines on the second footage source when in a perfect world it would all be green, or aspect ratio. Does the B roll fit the canvas window?

I don't know much about transcoding and this is the first time I have offered help to the forum instead of receiving it, but if nothing else it bumps your question to the top of the pile!

Jeff Troiano · February 11th, 2012, 08:26 AM

I worked on a project, where part of the footage was filmed in 30p, and some in 60p. I I'd transcode everything to prores, and all was happy. The only time I had issue, was when I tried to A/B part of an interview, using multi camera editing. It wouldn't let me use two different frame rates. I ended up using compressor to change the 60p to 30p.

Ive only been a FCP user for a year or so, but from what I've done, if you transcode everything to prores, you should be ok. If you drop 60p onto a 24p time timeline, ok. You may have to resize the 720 footage, and that could cause an issue, as far as resolution.

Hope hat helps a little,
Jeff

Les Wilson · February 11th, 2012, 08:29 AM

Converting all cameras to prores is the right direction. You may have undesirable motion artifacts with the 60p converted to 24 but as I understand it, 60 p is better than 30p to 24. Try it and evaluate it. But having it all in Prores 24p will make editing smooth

Daniel Epstein · February 11th, 2012, 10:17 AM

Hey Rob,
Couple of ways to handle this. If the b Roll is only a few shots then rendering the shots on the seq time line might be the best solution if you don't mind the time signature change. You might have to resize the clip so it fills the frame or FCP may do it automatically for you. FCP should be able to render it
that way and that would be the least number of conversions. If you need the 60P footage to have the correct time signature on the 24P you will have to play with it. You can use external programs like Mpeg Streamclip to convert it and there are other options as well. Every method has its upsides and downsides. Sometimes rendering on the timeline ends up being the best way sometimes not

Les Wilson · February 11th, 2012, 01:24 PM

I missed the resolution issue. 1080p footage will transcode to 720p well. you could change everything to 720p instead of uprezzing the HVX footage. It's an option. Especially if you are going to the web for distribution.

February 8th, 2012, 07:06 PM	#1
Rob Katz Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: new york city, new york Posts: 594	inserting p2 720/60p Bee roll into 1920/24p timeline-how? inserting p2 720/60p Bee roll into 1920/24p timeline-how? i'm a novice with final cut pro 7. the interviews were shot with 7d/h264 and ex3/1920/24p and everything was transcoded to pro res and put into a 1920/24p timeline. the client just provided me with Bee roll. it was shot hvx200/720/60p. do i need to transcode all the Bee roll to pro res so all will be happy on the 1920/24p timeline? how will the hvx200/720/60p footage look as 1920/24p footage? any and all thoughts are appreciated by someone who is happy to learn from those more experienced. be well. rob smalltalk productions

February 11th, 2012, 05:30 AM	#2
Cameron Poole Major Player Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: London Posts: 212	Re: inserting p2 720/60p Bee roll into 1920/24p timeline-how? I've been on FPC7 only a year but in my limited experience when using two different sources there has either been an issue with red render lines on the second footage source when in a perfect world it would all be green, or aspect ratio. Does the B roll fit the canvas window? I don't know much about transcoding and this is the first time I have offered help to the forum instead of receiving it, but if nothing else it bumps your question to the top of the pile!

February 11th, 2012, 08:26 AM	#3
Jeff Troiano Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 480	Re: inserting p2 720/60p Bee roll into 1920/24p timeline-how? I worked on a project, where part of the footage was filmed in 30p, and some in 60p. I I'd transcode everything to prores, and all was happy. The only time I had issue, was when I tried to A/B part of an interview, using multi camera editing. It wouldn't let me use two different frame rates. I ended up using compressor to change the 60p to 30p. Ive only been a FCP user for a year or so, but from what I've done, if you transcode everything to prores, you should be ok. If you drop 60p onto a 24p time timeline, ok. You may have to resize the 720 footage, and that could cause an issue, as far as resolution. Hope hat helps a little, Jeff

February 11th, 2012, 08:29 AM	#4
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Re: inserting p2 720/60p Bee roll into 1920/24p timeline-how? Converting all cameras to prores is the right direction. You may have undesirable motion artifacts with the 60p converted to 24 but as I understand it, 60 p is better than 30p to 24. Try it and evaluate it. But having it all in Prores 24p will make editing smooth Last edited by Les Wilson; February 11th, 2012 at 01:20 PM.

February 11th, 2012, 10:17 AM	#5
Daniel Epstein Trustee Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,267	Re: inserting p2 720/60p Bee roll into 1920/24p timeline-how? Hey Rob, Couple of ways to handle this. If the b Roll is only a few shots then rendering the shots on the seq time line might be the best solution if you don't mind the time signature change. You might have to resize the clip so it fills the frame or FCP may do it automatically for you. FCP should be able to render it that way and that would be the least number of conversions. If you need the 60P footage to have the correct time signature on the 24P you will have to play with it. You can use external programs like Mpeg Streamclip to convert it and there are other options as well. Every method has its upsides and downsides. Sometimes rendering on the timeline ends up being the best way sometimes not

February 11th, 2012, 01:24 PM	#6
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Re: inserting p2 720/60p Bee roll into 1920/24p timeline-how? I missed the resolution issue. 1080p footage will transcode to 720p well. you could change everything to 720p instead of uprezzing the HVX footage. It's an option. Especially if you are going to the web for distribution.