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Lynne Whelden · March 6th, 2010, 01:34 PM

Does anyone know if it's feasible to use imovie 9 for rough cutting in a Parallels-generated environment, then move the files over to Sony Vegas for the fine cut and blu-ray creation?

Perrone Ford · March 6th, 2010, 01:48 PM

This can work, but there are some SERIOUS caveats... Vegas won't understand your project file, so whatever you take over there will have to be in discreet files. Not a timeline. You'll also need to have a tool to read the Mac portion of your drives otherwise you can't get the physical files over. And finally, you'll probably want to use something like Avid DNxHD for the codec otherwise you'll battle the gamma shift bug.

But inside those parameters, can't see why it wouldn't work.

Lynne Whelden · March 6th, 2010, 01:55 PM

Given my own technical limitations (computer-phobe), I gather that this particular work-flow is not the simplist way to go then.
I don't know what the gamma shift bug is that you're referring to. But it doesn't sound very friendly!

So if I wanted to use imovie for one of its functions (being able to smooth out camera movement) on short scenes, what would be an "easy" way to then import those files into the Sony timeline?

Perrone Ford · March 6th, 2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynne Whelden

So if I wanted to use imovie for one of its functions (being able to smooth out camera movement) on short scenes, what would be an "easy" way to then import those files into the Sony timeline?

The PC has MUCH better tools for this... Really.

Video editing work isn't really the domain for a computer phobe. Do you have a Mac? Why are you running Vegas? And which version of Vegas are you talking about. I just assumed you mean Vegas Pro but that's not a good assumption on my part.

Lynne Whelden · March 6th, 2010, 03:35 PM

Always been a computer-phobe, haven't made the conversion to NLE willingly even tho' I've been shooting video since 1979 and the days of 3/4" tape.

Bought a macbook pro laptop recently to try out various software to see what agrees with me...was open to discovering something on either the PC or mac side. Altho' imovie seems to be ideal for doing quick and dirty rough cut work, Vegas Movie Studio (one step down from Vegas Pro) is starting to make sense to me. I'll probably be buying Vegas since I ultimately want to be able to author a BR.

What software is available that can smooth out hand-held jitters? (I make backpacking videos and the walking-while-shooting footage needs some help!)

Perrone Ford · March 6th, 2010, 06:17 PM

There are a few programs out there, but a very popular one seems to be the Prodad Mercalli program. Apparently, it's pretty simple and very effective.

William Hohauser · March 6th, 2010, 07:32 PM

As a question, what does Vegas Movie Studio do that iMovie can't? Just curious as I don't use iMovie except for a few neat filters that are not available in Final Cut Pro. Also Vegas Movie Studio doesn't make BluRay discs according to Sony literature, only DVDs. For Blu-Ray it seems you'll have to spend $600 for Vegas Pro. Check to see if there is an upgrade path for projects started in Vegas Movie Studio. Also check to see if Vegas works in Windows emulation on the Mac. You might have to run Boot Camp (a hassle) or a different emulation program.

If you are looking to rough edit a film cheaply why don't you stick with the free software you have, iMovie. For $200 you can upgrade to Final Cut Express which imports iMovie projects and you can edit in the same environment as people with Final Cut Pro. While FCE lacks a few important features, you'll probably not need them and if in the end you do, you can always upgrade to Final Cut Pro or bring the entire project to someone who has Final Cut Pro for finishing. You have the computer already, why waste time with trying to wrangle something out with the Vegas application family?

And don't worry about authoring a BluRay until you are done with the project. By that time prices should have dropped, programs hopefully will have improved, BluRay will have some of the kinks worked out and you can option to take the finished product to someone who has a professional authoring program to make a BluRay master.

Michael Wisniewski · March 6th, 2010, 09:01 PM

If you edit in iMovie, output the final video and then use Toast and an external Blu-Ray burner to make Blu-Ray discs from the Mac. This is probably the simplest way to do this with your Mac setup.

Vegas Movie Studio Platinum does support burning Blu-Ray from the timeline. To author BR discs with a menu use Vegas Pro + DVD Architect. It's generally recommended to run Vegas via Bootcamp. Parallels can be a hassle. Here's a comparison of the different versions of Vegas.

If you go the Vegas route, you can output a video file from iMovie directly to your Mac system disk - (if you are using Snow Leopard, not sure about previous versions). When you re-boot into Windows, you will be able to see the Mac system disk and your video file from within Windows.

Lynne Whelden · March 6th, 2010, 09:45 PM

"If you go the Vegas route, you can output a video file from iMovie directly to your Mac system disk - (if you are using Snow Leopard, not sure about previous versions). When you re-boot into Windows, you will be able to see the Mac system disk and your video file from within Windows."

I sure hope you're right about that. When I was at the apple store yesterday, nobody seemed to know how to make the two operating systems talk to each other. One guy suggested putting the imovie file onto a thumb drive.

Vegas Movie Studio is actually very close to Vegas Pro in many ways. It's like what FCE is to FCP, I suppose, except it's half the price of FCE. It's upgradable to Vegas. Can't author BR but can burn BR directly from time line. imovie's audio controls are laughable whereas Movie Studio has everything you need for precise control.

Michael Wisniewski · March 6th, 2010, 09:59 PM

Just to clarify, from within Bootcamp/Windows 7 (NTFS), I can read the following HFS drives: Mac System Disk & external firewire drives... see more here ...

Lynne Whelden · March 7th, 2010, 08:31 AM

So I guess my Windows XP won't allow me to see the mac drive while in bootcamp?

Michael Wisniewski · March 7th, 2010, 09:44 AM

The ability to read HFS volumes is part of Bootcamp 3.0. My understanding is that BC 3.0 supports Windows XP with Service Pack 2 or higher.

William Hohauser · March 7th, 2010, 07:19 PM

The Vegas Movie Studio Platinum Pro Pack (needs more words) is quite a deal compared to Final Cut Express if it works as well. $115 direct from Sony, under $90 from other places. Anybody care to compare from real world experience?

If this is the way you want to go, first make sure you can work with it in Boot Camp and I suggest skipping iMovie completely unless you feel that having the video captured in QuickTime is a good idea.

March 6th, 2010, 01:34 PM	#1
Lynne Whelden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: williamsport, pa Posts: 604	imovie, Parallels, and Vegas Does anyone know if it's feasible to use imovie 9 for rough cutting in a Parallels-generated environment, then move the files over to Sony Vegas for the fine cut and blu-ray creation?

March 6th, 2010, 01:48 PM	#2
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	This can work, but there are some SERIOUS caveats... Vegas won't understand your project file, so whatever you take over there will have to be in discreet files. Not a timeline. You'll also need to have a tool to read the Mac portion of your drives otherwise you can't get the physical files over. And finally, you'll probably want to use something like Avid DNxHD for the codec otherwise you'll battle the gamma shift bug. But inside those parameters, can't see why it wouldn't work. __________________ DVX100, PMW-EX1, Canon 550D, FigRig, Dell Octocore, Avid MC4/5, MB Looks, RedCineX, Matrox MX02 mini, GTech RAID, Edirol R-4, Senn. G2 Evo, Countryman, Moles and Lowels.

March 6th, 2010, 06:17 PM	#6
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	There are a few programs out there, but a very popular one seems to be the Prodad Mercalli program. Apparently, it's pretty simple and very effective. __________________ DVX100, PMW-EX1, Canon 550D, FigRig, Dell Octocore, Avid MC4/5, MB Looks, RedCineX, Matrox MX02 mini, GTech RAID, Edirol R-4, Senn. G2 Evo, Countryman, Moles and Lowels.

March 6th, 2010, 07:32 PM	#7
William Hohauser Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,650	As a question, what does Vegas Movie Studio do that iMovie can't? Just curious as I don't use iMovie except for a few neat filters that are not available in Final Cut Pro. Also Vegas Movie Studio doesn't make BluRay discs according to Sony literature, only DVDs. For Blu-Ray it seems you'll have to spend $600 for Vegas Pro. Check to see if there is an upgrade path for projects started in Vegas Movie Studio. Also check to see if Vegas works in Windows emulation on the Mac. You might have to run Boot Camp (a hassle) or a different emulation program. If you are looking to rough edit a film cheaply why don't you stick with the free software you have, iMovie. For $200 you can upgrade to Final Cut Express which imports iMovie projects and you can edit in the same environment as people with Final Cut Pro. While FCE lacks a few important features, you'll probably not need them and if in the end you do, you can always upgrade to Final Cut Pro or bring the entire project to someone who has Final Cut Pro for finishing. You have the computer already, why waste time with trying to wrangle something out with the Vegas application family? And don't worry about authoring a BluRay until you are done with the project. By that time prices should have dropped, programs hopefully will have improved, BluRay will have some of the kinks worked out and you can option to take the finished product to someone who has a professional authoring program to make a BluRay master. __________________ William Hohauser - New York City Producer/Edit/Camera/Animation

March 6th, 2010, 09:01 PM	#8
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	If you edit in iMovie, output the final video and then use Toast and an external Blu-Ray burner to make Blu-Ray discs from the Mac. This is probably the simplest way to do this with your Mac setup. Vegas Movie Studio Platinum does support burning Blu-Ray from the timeline. To author BR discs with a menu use Vegas Pro + DVD Architect. It's generally recommended to run Vegas via Bootcamp. Parallels can be a hassle. Here's a comparison of the different versions of Vegas. If you go the Vegas route, you can output a video file from iMovie directly to your Mac system disk - (if you are using Snow Leopard, not sure about previous versions). When you re-boot into Windows, you will be able to see the Mac system disk and your video file from within Windows. __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

March 6th, 2010, 01:55 PM	#3
Lynne Whelden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: williamsport, pa Posts: 604	Given my own technical limitations (computer-phobe), I gather that this particular work-flow is not the simplist way to go then. I don't know what the gamma shift bug is that you're referring to. But it doesn't sound very friendly! So if I wanted to use imovie for one of its functions (being able to smooth out camera movement) on short scenes, what would be an "easy" way to then import those files into the Sony timeline?

March 6th, 2010, 03:35 PM	#5
Lynne Whelden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: williamsport, pa Posts: 604	Always been a computer-phobe, haven't made the conversion to NLE willingly even tho' I've been shooting video since 1979 and the days of 3/4" tape. Bought a macbook pro laptop recently to try out various software to see what agrees with me...was open to discovering something on either the PC or mac side. Altho' imovie seems to be ideal for doing quick and dirty rough cut work, Vegas Movie Studio (one step down from Vegas Pro) is starting to make sense to me. I'll probably be buying Vegas since I ultimately want to be able to author a BR. What software is available that can smooth out hand-held jitters? (I make backpacking videos and the walking-while-shooting footage needs some help!)

March 6th, 2010, 09:45 PM	#9
Lynne Whelden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: williamsport, pa Posts: 604	"If you go the Vegas route, you can output a video file from iMovie directly to your Mac system disk - (if you are using Snow Leopard, not sure about previous versions). When you re-boot into Windows, you will be able to see the Mac system disk and your video file from within Windows." I sure hope you're right about that. When I was at the apple store yesterday, nobody seemed to know how to make the two operating systems talk to each other. One guy suggested putting the imovie file onto a thumb drive. Vegas Movie Studio is actually very close to Vegas Pro in many ways. It's like what FCE is to FCP, I suppose, except it's half the price of FCE. It's upgradable to Vegas. Can't author BR but can burn BR directly from time line. imovie's audio controls are laughable whereas Movie Studio has everything you need for precise control.

March 6th, 2010, 09:59 PM	#10
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	Just to clarify, from within Bootcamp/Windows 7 (NTFS), I can read the following HFS drives: Mac System Disk & external firewire drives... see more here ... __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

March 7th, 2010, 08:31 AM	#11
Lynne Whelden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: williamsport, pa Posts: 604	So I guess my Windows XP won't allow me to see the mac drive while in bootcamp?

March 7th, 2010, 09:44 AM	#12
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	The ability to read HFS volumes is part of Bootcamp 3.0. My understanding is that BC 3.0 supports Windows XP with Service Pack 2 or higher. __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

March 7th, 2010, 07:19 PM	#13
William Hohauser Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,650	The Vegas Movie Studio Platinum Pro Pack (needs more words) is quite a deal compared to Final Cut Express if it works as well. $115 direct from Sony, under $90 from other places. Anybody care to compare from real world experience? If this is the way you want to go, first make sure you can work with it in Boot Camp and I suggest skipping iMovie completely unless you feel that having the video captured in QuickTime is a good idea. __________________ William Hohauser - New York City Producer/Edit/Camera/Animation