UPRESING SD to HD & DOWNRESING HD TO SD at DVinfo.net

Jason OHara · January 21st, 2010, 06:44 PM

We’re in the midst of editing a feature-length doc and have been sitting on the fence as to whether we should be editing it in SD or HD – we’re looking for advice regarding upresing our SD footage to HD, but also want to better understand what to expect when we down res the final HD output to SD – for DVD distribution for example. Any other general advice is welcome and much appreciated

Our source footage is:

-70% 1080/60i
-10% 1080/24p
-10% SD/29.97 Anarmorphic - converted from what was originally recorded as 1080/24p (unfortunately by previous editor - from pile of 100+ tapes, and without his original log files, would be impossible to track originals down to recapture)
-5% SD/29.97/720x480
-5% archival footage from 1950s: some is SD/29.97/720x480 sourced from an archive house, some is MPEG-4, 320 × 240, 29.97 fps, 2.74 Mbps - downloaded directly from archive.org - despite the low pixel res, it appears to capture the full quality of the grainy original

Currently, our thinking is we will edit a final cut in 1080/60i for its primary showing at a conference, and may also shop it around to broadcasters – however the long-term fate of the video is realistically going to be distributed as a SD DVD.

I understand that upresing is best performed by a variety of hardware options but considering our limited budget, what about using Compressor? How does Compressor compare with other software options like Boris?
What can we expect in the process of dowresing our final HD output to SD – specifically with the footage that was originally SD – was upressed to HD – and now being downressed back to its original format? Or is this silly, would it be worth re-visitng the 20% of the film that was originally SD and re-inserting the original SD clips for the SD output? Obviously, we’d prefer to cut just one version (HD) and down-res the entire thing for SD distribution – we’re also short for time, so would prefer not to complicate our workflow with the need for 2 edits – but looking to better understand al the trade-offs that come with these decsions.

Thanks in advance for sharing your expertise, much appreciated.

Robert Lane · January 22nd, 2010, 08:31 AM

The advice is simple: if you're starting out with HD content then EDIT in HD and then down-convert the final movie to MPEG2 SD for DVD authoring.

The issue is that even if you edit in SD you still have to then re-compress that movie file down to MPEG2 standards for DVD. That means if you down-res your HD content to SD first for editing then you're throwing away a ton of color and resolution information *twice*. There's no need to do that and in fact it will kill the overall quality of your final sequence.

There are dozens of posts about what settings to use in Compressor for the best-looking DVD content for both DVD5 and DVD9 images, just use the "search" feature to browse the posts.

January 21st, 2010, 06:44 PM	#1
Jason OHara New Boot Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: recife, Brazil Posts: 13	UPRESING SD to HD & DOWNRESING HD TO SD We’re in the midst of editing a feature-length doc and have been sitting on the fence as to whether we should be editing it in SD or HD – we’re looking for advice regarding upresing our SD footage to HD, but also want to better understand what to expect when we down res the final HD output to SD – for DVD distribution for example. Any other general advice is welcome and much appreciated Our source footage is: -70% 1080/60i -10% 1080/24p -10% SD/29.97 Anarmorphic - converted from what was originally recorded as 1080/24p (unfortunately by previous editor - from pile of 100+ tapes, and without his original log files, would be impossible to track originals down to recapture) -5% SD/29.97/720x480 -5% archival footage from 1950s: some is SD/29.97/720x480 sourced from an archive house, some is MPEG-4, 320 × 240, 29.97 fps, 2.74 Mbps - downloaded directly from archive.org - despite the low pixel res, it appears to capture the full quality of the grainy original Currently, our thinking is we will edit a final cut in 1080/60i for its primary showing at a conference, and may also shop it around to broadcasters – however the long-term fate of the video is realistically going to be distributed as a SD DVD. I understand that upresing is best performed by a variety of hardware options but considering our limited budget, what about using Compressor? How does Compressor compare with other software options like Boris? What can we expect in the process of dowresing our final HD output to SD – specifically with the footage that was originally SD – was upressed to HD – and now being downressed back to its original format? Or is this silly, would it be worth re-visitng the 20% of the film that was originally SD and re-inserting the original SD clips for the SD output? Obviously, we’d prefer to cut just one version (HD) and down-res the entire thing for SD distribution – we’re also short for time, so would prefer not to complicate our workflow with the need for 2 edits – but looking to better understand al the trade-offs that come with these decsions. Thanks in advance for sharing your expertise, much appreciated.

January 22nd, 2010, 08:31 AM	#2
Robert Lane Go Go Godzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Posts: 2,823 Images: 15	The advice is simple: if you're starting out with HD content then EDIT in HD and then down-convert the final movie to MPEG2 SD for DVD authoring. The issue is that even if you edit in SD you still have to then re-compress that movie file down to MPEG2 standards for DVD. That means if you down-res your HD content to SD first for editing then you're throwing away a ton of color and resolution information twice. There's no need to do that and in fact it will kill the overall quality of your final sequence. There are dozens of posts about what settings to use in Compressor for the best-looking DVD content for both DVD5 and DVD9 images, just use the "search" feature to browse the posts.