Nattress filters for HDV? at DVinfo.net

Bryan McCullough · March 29th, 2005, 01:50 PM

This might be a bit premature, with FCP 5 coming and not sure what the HDV support is going to look like, but is there anything to know about using Nattress filters with HD material?

I've fallen in love with the filter set and was just curious if the filters I have will work with HDV in FCP whenever FCP supports HDV.

Graeme Nattress · March 29th, 2005, 02:00 PM

They are working great! I've converted HDV footage to both DVCproHD and Uncompressed 8bit 4:2:2 for editing, and applied the filters and the results are very nice indeed - so much better than the CF24 mode it's not funny. Basically, the only thing that upsets filters, I find, is MPEG2 type footage, which FCP just doesn't like. As long as the footage is in a nice, edit friendly codec, the filters just work great. Glad you're enjoying them,

Graeme

Christopher C. Murphy · March 29th, 2005, 02:01 PM

Graeme, anyway we can see some HDV footage converted using your filters? I'm definately interested in them.

Graeme Nattress · March 29th, 2005, 02:04 PM

Best thing to do is just download the demos and try it out for yourself. I don't have the bandwidth or my own copyright free HDV footage to demo on. I was very surprised with the results, and though they looked good - very 16mm film like to my eyes.

Graeme

Christopher C. Murphy · March 29th, 2005, 02:09 PM

Ok. thanks...

Bryan McCullough · March 29th, 2005, 02:14 PM

Graeme,

Sounds good. I'm glad to hear they will work with the material.

I'm sure I can find this info pretty quick, but are all HD formats (including HDV) the same field order? I thought I saw somewhere that DVCproHD was upper field and I didn't know if HDV was the same or not.

One of the things I love about your filters is that you can be an idiot to use them and get great results, or you can tweak them and get great results. I fall into the first category. So simple stuff like getting the field orders correct can trip me up.

Graeme Nattress · March 29th, 2005, 02:35 PM

HDV is upper field, DV, DVCpro50 and DVCproHD are lower I think. Once you've got the right settings in FCP, it's easy enough to make a custom "favourite" so that you don't have to worry about getting them right again.

Graeme

Christopher C. Murphy · March 29th, 2005, 03:10 PM

Graeme, my email crashed and I can't get back into it! I think the file(s) you sent are to big for my server. :(

Graeme Nattress · March 29th, 2005, 03:49 PM

Darn!

I'll sort it out and get back to you.

Graeme

Christopher C. Murphy · March 29th, 2005, 04:02 PM

My email server re-set itself...I got them. Thanks!!

Arne Johnson · April 1st, 2005, 05:22 PM

Let me just put in my two cents about the glories of Nattress...One of the best deals in all of christendom. For $100, we've made some of the prettiest footage we've ever had. Can't wait to try it on the Z1 footage we're shooting this weekend.

Graeme, how did you get those codecs from the imported footage? We're using iMovie HD to capture, and I think it uses AIC...

Graeme Nattress · April 1st, 2005, 05:23 PM

I used LumiereHD and MPEGStreamclip to convert to uncompressed 8bit 4:2:2 codec, but there's no reason why the filters won't work on AIC - I just don't like the look of the results as much as uncompressed.

Thanks for the comments - very much appreciated.

Graeme

Arne Johnson · April 1st, 2005, 06:09 PM

Graeme, what are your sequence settings in FCP using that footage...

Graeme Nattress · April 1st, 2005, 07:13 PM

Uncompressed? I just use the Decklink easy presets, as I'm using the Decklink Pro HD for output monitoring. I'm not currently "up" on the best settings for using AIC.

Graeme

Harikrishnan Ponnurangam · April 7th, 2005, 12:18 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Graeme Nattress : They are working great! I've converted HDV footage to both DVCproHD and Uncompressed 8bit 4:2:2 for editing, and applied the filters and the results are very nice indeed - so much better than the CF24 mode it's not funny. Basically, the only thing that upsets filters, I find, is MPEG2 type footage, which FCP just doesn't like. As long as the footage is in a nice, edit friendly codec, the filters just work great. Glad you're enjoying them,

Graeme -->>>

I'm curious to know more about the filters. I was depressed when i found Final cut pro HD doesn't work for HDV formats. Please tell me how to convert HDV footage to DVcproHD and to apply filters. Is it worth investing in Final cut pro HD and mac because the editing options are very less this was my feeling when compared to other softwares which already support HDV formats.

March 29th, 2005, 01:50 PM	#1
Bryan McCullough Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 842	Nattress filters for HDV? This might be a bit premature, with FCP 5 coming and not sure what the HDV support is going to look like, but is there anything to know about using Nattress filters with HD material? I've fallen in love with the filter set and was just curious if the filters I have will work with HDV in FCP whenever FCP supports HDV.

March 29th, 2005, 02:00 PM	#2
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	They are working great! I've converted HDV footage to both DVCproHD and Uncompressed 8bit 4:2:2 for editing, and applied the filters and the results are very nice indeed - so much better than the CF24 mode it's not funny. Basically, the only thing that upsets filters, I find, is MPEG2 type footage, which FCP just doesn't like. As long as the footage is in a nice, edit friendly codec, the filters just work great. Glad you're enjoying them, Graeme __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

March 29th, 2005, 02:01 PM	#3
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Graeme, anyway we can see some HDV footage converted using your filters? I'm definately interested in them. __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

March 29th, 2005, 02:04 PM	#4
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	Best thing to do is just download the demos and try it out for yourself. I don't have the bandwidth or my own copyright free HDV footage to demo on. I was very surprised with the results, and though they looked good - very 16mm film like to my eyes. Graeme __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

March 29th, 2005, 02:09 PM	#5
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Ok. thanks... __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

March 29th, 2005, 02:14 PM	#6
Bryan McCullough Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 842	Graeme, Sounds good. I'm glad to hear they will work with the material. I'm sure I can find this info pretty quick, but are all HD formats (including HDV) the same field order? I thought I saw somewhere that DVCproHD was upper field and I didn't know if HDV was the same or not. One of the things I love about your filters is that you can be an idiot to use them and get great results, or you can tweak them and get great results. I fall into the first category. So simple stuff like getting the field orders correct can trip me up.

March 29th, 2005, 02:35 PM	#7
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	HDV is upper field, DV, DVCpro50 and DVCproHD are lower I think. Once you've got the right settings in FCP, it's easy enough to make a custom "favourite" so that you don't have to worry about getting them right again. Graeme __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

March 29th, 2005, 03:10 PM	#8
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Graeme, my email crashed and I can't get back into it! I think the file(s) you sent are to big for my server. :( __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

March 29th, 2005, 03:49 PM	#9
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	Darn! I'll sort it out and get back to you. Graeme __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

March 29th, 2005, 04:02 PM	#10
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	My email server re-set itself...I got them. Thanks!! __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

April 1st, 2005, 05:22 PM	#11
Arne Johnson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: United States Posts: 88	Let me just put in my two cents about the glories of Nattress...One of the best deals in all of christendom. For $100, we've made some of the prettiest footage we've ever had. Can't wait to try it on the Z1 footage we're shooting this weekend. Graeme, how did you get those codecs from the imported footage? We're using iMovie HD to capture, and I think it uses AIC...

April 1st, 2005, 05:23 PM	#12
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	I used LumiereHD and MPEGStreamclip to convert to uncompressed 8bit 4:2:2 codec, but there's no reason why the filters won't work on AIC - I just don't like the look of the results as much as uncompressed. Thanks for the comments - very much appreciated. Graeme __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

April 1st, 2005, 06:09 PM	#13
Arne Johnson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: United States Posts: 88	Graeme, what are your sequence settings in FCP using that footage...

April 1st, 2005, 07:13 PM	#14
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	Uncompressed? I just use the Decklink easy presets, as I'm using the Decklink Pro HD for output monitoring. I'm not currently "up" on the best settings for using AIC. Graeme __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

April 7th, 2005, 12:18 AM	#15
Harikrishnan Ponnurangam Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: St.Louis, USA Posts: 145	<<<-- Originally posted by Graeme Nattress : They are working great! I've converted HDV footage to both DVCproHD and Uncompressed 8bit 4:2:2 for editing, and applied the filters and the results are very nice indeed - so much better than the CF24 mode it's not funny. Basically, the only thing that upsets filters, I find, is MPEG2 type footage, which FCP just doesn't like. As long as the footage is in a nice, edit friendly codec, the filters just work great. Glad you're enjoying them, Graeme -->>> I'm curious to know more about the filters. I was depressed when i found Final cut pro HD doesn't work for HDV formats. Please tell me how to convert HDV footage to DVcproHD and to apply filters. Is it worth investing in Final cut pro HD and mac because the editing options are very less this was my feeling when compared to other softwares which already support HDV formats.