Lumiere HD workflow

Heath McKnight · December 31st, 2004, 03:13 PM

One more problem, when importing the XML file, it gives me "non-critical errors" saying it can't "attach" the media file to the clip.

heath

Frederic Lumiere · January 4th, 2005, 02:46 PM

Heath,

It's all resolved right?

Frederic

Heath McKnight · January 4th, 2005, 02:54 PM

Yes. My mistake was calling the original captured M2T clips:

Amanda Wide Shot

Instead of the proper:

Amanda_Wide_shot

Frederic, can you re-explain how to keep things from going out of sync, audio/video-wise?

Also, everyone, I am creating my MOV files as DV 720 by 480, because I know that in the coming weeks, I'll be able to "online" my cut into 1080i HDV and output to tape with the FX1.

heath

Heath McKnight · January 6th, 2005, 02:53 PM

I can email whomever can answer this a still from footage captured, demuxed and made into a timeline codec using the 1.5b8 beta of LHD, and a still captured on Final Cut Pro 2 from a digital downconvert via firewire to a DVX100A.

When I did the codec, I chose DV 720 by 480. When I made a still image from my edit in FCP HD, the image is darker and not as clear as the still my friend made in FCP 2 with the digital downconvert (720 by 480).

Is there something wrong with the initial capture, demux or timeline codec processes? I also notice a new beta (1.5b9)--should I try re-capturing that way, or going through the other processes with the new beta?

Again, I'll email those stills to whomever can answer this question!

Thanks,

heath

Rob Lohman · January 9th, 2005, 05:37 AM

Well it's called a beta for a reason. So this might be a bug. I would
certainly try a newer beta. I assume the beta comes with instructions
on who to contact if you find problems, follow those guidelines.
The developers needs feedback on such issues!

Bryan McCullough · February 14th, 2005, 10:54 AM

How would graphics work in a DV offline setup?

Wouldn't anything created (either in Motion or Livetype or FCP itself) be the wrong resolution when you online HD?

I'm still learning the process here, so I might be missing something obvious.

Thanks!

Rob Lohman · February 16th, 2005, 04:17 AM

I'd say you create the online versions for these and downsample
them to your offline resolution for use there. At least that would
be my guess. All original material should be available in the full
online quality. But what do I know...

Sean M Lee · February 16th, 2005, 08:57 AM

That's an interesting question Bryan.

I think if I were gonna do a project like that I would:

1. Create full res HD graphic elements
2. Make copies of elements-add "ol" to the name
3. Resize the copies to fit DV resolution aspect ratio
4. Do offline
5. Before online, rename the original elements and add "ol" to name
6. Online

There are a lot of opportunity for strangeness here, and I think it would only work quick and easily if the DV project is 16x9. I would make sure to do a couple of quick tests first, before I finalized the workflow.

Good Luck!

Sean M Lee · February 16th, 2005, 04:49 PM

So, you folks using it, is it worth the time and effort?
Can I expect Z1/M10 output capability soon?

Is the process really as long as it seems like it will be?

Frederic Lumiere · February 23rd, 2005, 10:00 PM

The new beta version of Lumiere HD (Version 1.5b10) now allows encoding of MPEG2 Transport Stream compatible with the new Sony HDV devices, including:

- SONY HDR-FX1(1080i60)
- SONY HDR-FX1(E) (1080i50)
- SONY HVR-Z1 (1080i50/60)
- SONY HVR-M10U (1080i50/60)

Lumiere HD can take any 1440 X 1080, 60i clip (Any codec) and encode it to an MPEG2 transport stream the Sony cameras and deck can receive.

Customers can download the new beta, free of charge from:

http://www.lumierehd.com/beta_download.php

Frederic

Christopher C. Murphy · February 24th, 2005, 06:38 AM

Hi Frederic, I have a valid 1.2 version of Lumiere HD....but, I can't seem to get the betas working. I've tried to activate using the latest number I recieved.

I'm a Z1U owner, so I could be of help with testing it.

Frederic Lumiere · February 24th, 2005, 07:57 AM

Christopher Murhy? Never heard of you...sorry

Just kidding Murph. Send me an email with your S/N

Frederic

Heath McKnight · March 1st, 2005, 08:03 PM

I believe you already can.

hwm

Lori Peters · April 8th, 2005, 11:02 PM

I have Lumiere (yes, the new version), but it converted everything out of sync. No matter how hard I tried to sync the audio, it still drifted. I gave up and purchased FC Express.

Now that I have my project completed (2 hour feature), I need to get it to tape. I need my HDV 16:9 footage resized to 4:3/letterbox and recorded to DV Cam tape.

FC Express has no option for 4:3. FC Pro does. I have output 1 min. test clips to DV Cam and they look "ghost-like" on the sped up motion clips and the regular clips look pixilated (almost like a posterized effect). Any suggestions/solutions?

I used FC PRO to output these test clips. Since Lumiere doesn't have very good instructions, I can't figure out how to lay to tape once I have made an mt2 conversion. Also, is that conversion oly for laying back to HDV or can I lay to DV Cam using Lumiere?

HELP!

Luis Caffesse · April 12th, 2005, 03:34 PM

Interesting little tidbit for those interested in the 24P function of the new JVC cam.

Check out Mike's great site, HD for Indies

Scroll a little down the page, it's a few articles down.
the headline reads:

"LumiereHD to Handle JVC's 24P ProHD format"

December 31st, 2004, 03:13 PM	#46
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	One more problem, when importing the XML file, it gives me "non-critical errors" saying it can't "attach" the media file to the clip. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

January 4th, 2005, 02:54 PM	#48
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Yes. My mistake was calling the original captured M2T clips: Amanda Wide Shot Instead of the proper: Amanda_Wide_shot Frederic, can you re-explain how to keep things from going out of sync, audio/video-wise? Also, everyone, I am creating my MOV files as DV 720 by 480, because I know that in the coming weeks, I'll be able to "online" my cut into 1080i HDV and output to tape with the FX1. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

January 6th, 2005, 02:53 PM	#49
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Need new help with the 1.5b beta! I can email whomever can answer this a still from footage captured, demuxed and made into a timeline codec using the 1.5b8 beta of LHD, and a still captured on Final Cut Pro 2 from a digital downconvert via firewire to a DVX100A. When I did the codec, I chose DV 720 by 480. When I made a still image from my edit in FCP HD, the image is darker and not as clear as the still my friend made in FCP 2 with the digital downconvert (720 by 480). Is there something wrong with the initial capture, demux or timeline codec processes? I also notice a new beta (1.5b9)--should I try re-capturing that way, or going through the other processes with the new beta? Again, I'll email those stills to whomever can answer this question! Thanks, heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

January 9th, 2005, 05:37 AM	#50
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Well it's called a beta for a reason. So this might be a bug. I would certainly try a newer beta. I assume the beta comes with instructions on who to contact if you find problems, follow those guidelines. The developers needs feedback on such issues! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 14th, 2005, 10:54 AM	#51
Bryan McCullough Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 842	Question about offline DV editing. How would graphics work in a DV offline setup? Wouldn't anything created (either in Motion or Livetype or FCP itself) be the wrong resolution when you online HD? I'm still learning the process here, so I might be missing something obvious. Thanks!

January 4th, 2005, 02:46 PM	#47
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	Heath, It's all resolved right? Frederic

February 16th, 2005, 04:17 AM	#52
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I'd say you create the online versions for these and downsample them to your offline resolution for use there. At least that would be my guess. All original material should be available in the full online quality. But what do I know... __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 16th, 2005, 08:57 AM	#53
Sean M Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indy Posts: 160	That's an interesting question Bryan. I think if I were gonna do a project like that I would: 1. Create full res HD graphic elements 2. Make copies of elements-add "ol" to the name 3. Resize the copies to fit DV resolution aspect ratio 4. Do offline 5. Before online, rename the original elements and add "ol" to name 6. Online There are a lot of opportunity for strangeness here, and I think it would only work quick and easily if the DV project is 16x9. I would make sure to do a couple of quick tests first, before I finalized the workflow. Good Luck!

February 16th, 2005, 04:49 PM	#54
Sean M Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indy Posts: 160	Lumiere...is it worth the workflow? So, you folks using it, is it worth the time and effort? Can I expect Z1/M10 output capability soon? Is the process really as long as it seems like it will be?

February 23rd, 2005, 10:00 PM	#55
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	New Lumiere HD Beta now allows back to Sony Tape The new beta version of Lumiere HD (Version 1.5b10) now allows encoding of MPEG2 Transport Stream compatible with the new Sony HDV devices, including: - SONY HDR-FX1(1080i60) - SONY HDR-FX1(E) (1080i50) - SONY HVR-Z1 (1080i50/60) - SONY HVR-M10U (1080i50/60) Lumiere HD can take any 1440 X 1080, 60i clip (Any codec) and encode it to an MPEG2 transport stream the Sony cameras and deck can receive. Customers can download the new beta, free of charge from: http://www.lumierehd.com/beta_download.php Frederic

February 24th, 2005, 06:38 AM	#56
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Hi Frederic, I have a valid 1.2 version of Lumiere HD....but, I can't seem to get the betas working. I've tried to activate using the latest number I recieved. I'm a Z1U owner, so I could be of help with testing it. __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

February 24th, 2005, 07:57 AM	#57
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	Christopher Murhy? Never heard of you...sorry Just kidding Murph. Send me an email with your S/N Frederic

March 1st, 2005, 08:03 PM	#58
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I believe you already can. hwm __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

April 8th, 2005, 11:02 PM	#59
Lori Peters Tourist Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: North Hollywood Posts: 1	Need Help With Lumiere/Laying To Tape I have Lumiere (yes, the new version), but it converted everything out of sync. No matter how hard I tried to sync the audio, it still drifted. I gave up and purchased FC Express. Now that I have my project completed (2 hour feature), I need to get it to tape. I need my HDV 16:9 footage resized to 4:3/letterbox and recorded to DV Cam tape. FC Express has no option for 4:3. FC Pro does. I have output 1 min. test clips to DV Cam and they look "ghost-like" on the sped up motion clips and the regular clips look pixilated (almost like a posterized effect). Any suggestions/solutions? I used FC PRO to output these test clips. Since Lumiere doesn't have very good instructions, I can't figure out how to lay to tape once I have made an mt2 conversion. Also, is that conversion oly for laying back to HDV or can I lay to DV Cam using Lumiere? HELP! __________________ Lori

April 12th, 2005, 03:34 PM	#60
Luis Caffesse Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704	LumiereHD to Handle JVC's 24P ProHD format Interesting little tidbit for those interested in the 24P function of the new JVC cam. Check out Mike's great site, HD for Indies Scroll a little down the page, it's a few articles down. the headline reads: "LumiereHD to Handle JVC's 24P ProHD format" __________________ Luis Caffesse Pitch Productions Austin, Texas