NLE Mac / Final Cut questions from 2004

Joshua Kopple · January 23rd, 2004, 01:02 AM

So I went into Disk Utility and the 160 gig hard drive showed like this:

149.05 GB WDC
Media

"Media" being the name and there being no partitions on the drive. So I clicked on "Media" and went to Erase. It was in "Extended" format already and after having read, "http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/mac_not_mother.html" I kept it that way - on Mac OS Extended. I hit Erase and it cleared everything in a matter of about 5 seconds.

Being raised on a PC, that felt too quick. Should I have highlighted the "149.05 GB WDC" and hit erase there or am I just being paranoid? I checked the drive and indeed, it was all gone...

Joshua

Shawn Mielke · January 23rd, 2004, 01:43 AM

What is the difference between the Setups

DV-NTSC
and
DV-NTSC 48 kHz-FW Basic?

Thanks,
Shawn

Jeff Donald · January 23rd, 2004, 05:09 AM

I just writes a new directory that ignores all the old files, so it looks empty. When you start capturing to the drive it overwrites the old files. If you want to format the drive (write zeros and ones) that will take hours.

Michiel van der Zeeuw · January 23rd, 2004, 10:37 AM

Just upgraded to FCP4, everything works fine, even the FCP3 project that I have to finish was imported without problems (quite a relief that...)
I noticed though that there is a difference between some clips' display in the bins: some have the standard appeareance, others have jagged edges.
Both types of clip play ok though, have looked in the manual but couldn't find out what this is. No differences in clips when I go to "item properties".
Not really a problem, but I would like to know what this means. Btw I've only opened a FCP3 project so far.
thx in advance
Michiel
(I wanted to attach a picture of a screen grab but can't attach anything to this message. If you want to help but don't know what I'm talking about send me an email and I'll send the screengrab over)
vanderzeeuw@planet.nl

Ignacio Rodriguez · January 24th, 2004, 11:05 AM

Hi all, if anybody can please help me out with this...

A few days ago I took my PB to a friend's so we could rescue a project and print it to video (his boot HD had died). We were able to boot off my PB as a FW drive and print his project, a great lifesaver... we could never have got away with something like that on PCs. Anyway, after getting back home my FCP4 would ask me for his disks, and there seemed no way of reconfiguring my setup so I trashed some FCP preferences files (don't remember exactly which). Now, everything works as usual BUT i am dropping frames and seeing something like half-res, half-frame rate video previewed over firewire. I don't want to have to reinstall everything, but I will as a last resort. Does anybody have a clue about what might be going on? Of course I stupidly did not save a backup of the files I trashed. Any other solution before resintalling the whole thing? Thanks...

Jeff Donald · January 24th, 2004, 04:12 PM

Re-install if you don't know what you trashed. Just trashing preferences won't do what you say. When you restart after trashing the preferences (and emptying the trash) FCP recreates new preferences, using the default settings. You probably trashed a file other than the preferences.

Ignacio Rodriguez · January 24th, 2004, 09:43 PM

> When you restart after trashing the preferences
> (and emptying the trash) FCP recreates new preferences,
> using the default settings.

Oh it did. It just seems that when determening the defaults for this machine something when wrong, it's as if FCP were set up to run on a much slower computer.

Jeff Donald · January 24th, 2004, 10:02 PM

If you think you only trashed the preferences, then do it again and see if the results are the same.

Rob Lohman · January 25th, 2004, 08:46 AM

DV-NTSC is 12 bit 32 kHz instead of the 48 kHz for the other?
On my NLE [pc] the difference between the presets is listed so
you can see for yourself.

Rob Lohman · January 25th, 2004, 08:56 AM

Michiel, you can't attach files within these boards indeed. If you
want I can host a screengrab for you at my site. Shoot me an
e-mail at visuar@iname.com

John Locke · January 25th, 2004, 09:07 AM

Michiel,

Go ahead and send me the screengrab and I'll see if I can help you out. If not, I'll share it with some of the other Mac wranglers... between all of us, we'll track it down probably.

John Locke · January 25th, 2004, 09:10 AM

I'm weighing different ideas on how to split the screen with three vertical images (a three-way phone conversation showing all the people at the same time)... and I'm sure there are more ways than that.

Anyone have any input on what would be the best way to do this in FCP?

Rob Lohman · January 25th, 2004, 09:47 AM

I've put the screengrab up for all to see: www.visuar.com/DVi/zeeuw.jpg

Glenn Chan · January 25th, 2004, 11:10 AM

Some cameras use the "firewire basic" protocol instead of firewire. All Sonys are firewire, most Canons are firewire basic.

http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/qualification.html <-- check there.

Also check that the capture settings match your camera footage. 32khz audio sampling rate corresponds to 12bit on your camera, and 48khz to 16bit. You should set your camera to record 16bit unless you can't or want to record 4 channels on a XL1s. If your footage is already 12bit (in the camera) then capture using 32khz.

Glenn Chan · January 25th, 2004, 11:12 AM

FCP3 captures clips differently than FCP4, maybe the jagged edge is to indicate the difference? That's my wild guess.

January 23rd, 2004, 01:02 AM	#121
Joshua Kopple Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29	Umm, that was quick. Did I blink and miss it? So I went into Disk Utility and the 160 gig hard drive showed like this: 149.05 GB WDC Media "Media" being the name and there being no partitions on the drive. So I clicked on "Media" and went to Erase. It was in "Extended" format already and after having read, "http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/mac_not_mother.html" I kept it that way - on Mac OS Extended. I hit Erase and it cleared everything in a matter of about 5 seconds. Being raised on a PC, that felt too quick. Should I have highlighted the "149.05 GB WDC" and hit erase there or am I just being paranoid? I checked the drive and indeed, it was all gone... Joshua

January 23rd, 2004, 01:43 AM	#122
Shawn Mielke Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Santa Rosa, California Posts: 745	minor Setups question What is the difference between the Setups DV-NTSC and DV-NTSC 48 kHz-FW Basic? Thanks, Shawn __________________ Breakthrough In Grey Room

January 23rd, 2004, 05:09 AM	#123
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	I just writes a new directory that ignores all the old files, so it looks empty. When you start capturing to the drive it overwrites the old files. If you want to format the drive (write zeros and ones) that will take hours. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 23rd, 2004, 10:37 AM	#124
Michiel van der Zeeuw Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Posts: 27	clip appearance when FCP3 --> FCP4 Just upgraded to FCP4, everything works fine, even the FCP3 project that I have to finish was imported without problems (quite a relief that...) I noticed though that there is a difference between some clips' display in the bins: some have the standard appeareance, others have jagged edges. Both types of clip play ok though, have looked in the manual but couldn't find out what this is. No differences in clips when I go to "item properties". Not really a problem, but I would like to know what this means. Btw I've only opened a FCP3 project so far. thx in advance Michiel (I wanted to attach a picture of a screen grab but can't attach anything to this message. If you want to help but don't know what I'm talking about send me an email and I'll send the screengrab over) vanderzeeuw@planet.nl

January 24th, 2004, 11:05 AM	#125
Ignacio Rodriguez Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 932	Help! Low quality DV preview in FCP4 after trashing prefs. Fix? Hi all, if anybody can please help me out with this... A few days ago I took my PB to a friend's so we could rescue a project and print it to video (his boot HD had died). We were able to boot off my PB as a FW drive and print his project, a great lifesaver... we could never have got away with something like that on PCs. Anyway, after getting back home my FCP4 would ask me for his disks, and there seemed no way of reconfiguring my setup so I trashed some FCP preferences files (don't remember exactly which). Now, everything works as usual BUT i am dropping frames and seeing something like half-res, half-frame rate video previewed over firewire. I don't want to have to reinstall everything, but I will as a last resort. Does anybody have a clue about what might be going on? Of course I stupidly did not save a backup of the files I trashed. Any other solution before resintalling the whole thing? Thanks... __________________ Ignacio Rodríguez in the third world. @micronauta on Twitter. Main hardware: brain, eyes, hands.

January 24th, 2004, 04:12 PM	#126
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Re-install if you don't know what you trashed. Just trashing preferences won't do what you say. When you restart after trashing the preferences (and emptying the trash) FCP recreates new preferences, using the default settings. You probably trashed a file other than the preferences. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 24th, 2004, 09:43 PM	#127
Ignacio Rodriguez Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 932	> When you restart after trashing the preferences > (and emptying the trash) FCP recreates new preferences, > using the default settings. Oh it did. It just seems that when determening the defaults for this machine something when wrong, it's as if FCP were set up to run on a much slower computer. __________________ Ignacio Rodríguez in the third world. @micronauta on Twitter. Main hardware: brain, eyes, hands.

January 24th, 2004, 10:02 PM	#128
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	If you think you only trashed the preferences, then do it again and see if the results are the same. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 25th, 2004, 08:46 AM	#129
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	DV-NTSC is 12 bit 32 kHz instead of the 48 kHz for the other? On my NLE [pc] the difference between the presets is listed so you can see for yourself. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 25th, 2004, 08:56 AM	#130
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Michiel, you can't attach files within these boards indeed. If you want I can host a screengrab for you at my site. Shoot me an e-mail at visuar@iname.com __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 25th, 2004, 09:07 AM	#131
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	Michiel, Go ahead and send me the screengrab and I'll see if I can help you out. If not, I'll share it with some of the other Mac wranglers... between all of us, we'll track it down probably. __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

January 25th, 2004, 09:10 AM	#132
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	Three-way split screen in FCP? I'm weighing different ideas on how to split the screen with three vertical images (a three-way phone conversation showing all the people at the same time)... and I'm sure there are more ways than that. Anyone have any input on what would be the best way to do this in FCP? __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

January 25th, 2004, 09:47 AM	#133
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I've put the screengrab up for all to see: www.visuar.com/DVi/zeeuw.jpg __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 25th, 2004, 11:10 AM	#134
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Some cameras use the "firewire basic" protocol instead of firewire. All Sonys are firewire, most Canons are firewire basic. http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/qualification.html <-- check there. Also check that the capture settings match your camera footage. 32khz audio sampling rate corresponds to 12bit on your camera, and 48khz to 16bit. You should set your camera to record 16bit unless you can't or want to record 4 channels on a XL1s. If your footage is already 12bit (in the camera) then capture using 32khz.

January 25th, 2004, 11:12 AM	#135
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	FCP3 captures clips differently than FCP4, maybe the jagged edge is to indicate the difference? That's my wild guess.