The NEW Final Cut Studio announced today!

Niels Neeskens · July 29th, 2009, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Daviss

Oh dear.

Not many people have got it to work. Here's how:

do a 'rotate' gesture: finger down in middle of trackpad, then another finger rotates to draw a 'circumference' around the centre.

The trouble is that, if you're moderately big-fingered, this gesture is easy to misinterpret as a pinch or unpinch gesture so you zoom as well as scrub.

What you can't do is treat the thing like an iPhone version of a BVE5000 jog/shuttle knob. More's the shame. It's certainly not the tactile feel of scrubbing 1/4 tape over the playback head, and neither is it a Harry style scroll. It will probably 'give good demo' in tradeshow booths, but

And the gestures are not consistent. The three finger swipe to get to the top of a sequence in FCP pops open the sequence window in Motion. Maybe it's a good idea, but (to paraphrase Samuel Goldfish) "if Bruce Tognazzini were alive today, he'd be spinning in his grave".

Thanks a lot Matt

Floris van Eck · July 29th, 2009, 05:08 AM

I found some nice free training videos explaining the new FCS features:

Ripple Training

Mathieu Ghekiere · July 29th, 2009, 12:34 PM

So, is the new Final Cut Pro 64-bit? I keep reading contrasting reports about this.
Most people say it isn't, Mike Curtis from HDforIndies said it 'could run faster on Snow Leopard' which seems to hint at under the hood performance tweaks like 64bit and OpenCL, Grand Central, ...
If it isn't 64-bit I'm really dissapointed. And then it also seems a bit weak giving the apps an update and then give them one again in a short while after the Snow Leopard release. Then they could have waited.

And anyone already has some experiences to share?

Thanks,

Heath McKnight · July 29th, 2009, 12:48 PM

From what I understand, FCS 3 won't support 64-bit until Snow Leopard comes out and (I believe) OpenCL.

Heath

Harrison Murchison · July 29th, 2009, 12:51 PM

AppleInsider | Road to Mac OS X Snow Leopard: 64-bit to the Kernel

Explains well how Snow Leopard finally brings the 64-bit support we need.

Floris van Eck · July 29th, 2009, 02:17 PM

I am eager to learn how FCS (3, or should I say 2.5) deals with 64-bit.

Will there be a free update when Snow Leopard launches? Or do we have to wait untill FCS (4) launches to unleash the true power of our machines. And will will be forced to pay another $299 to get there? Don't get me wrong. $299 for 64-bit is a bargain if you see how much time you gain... but I really can't follow Apple anymore.

I expected the new FCS to go 64-bit and launch alongside Snow Leopard. But with this strange release time frame they confused me. The only thing I can think off is that they want to bug test FCS for the coming months so they can fix any bugs that occur now, and then release updates alongside Snow Leopard to make the transition to 64-bit easier.

But Apple isn't talking so we can only guess.

Matt Davis · July 29th, 2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Floris van Eck

Will there be a free update when Snow Leopard launches?

From what I can gather from the document Harrison linked to (up to the point where my brain exploded - haven't finished cleaning up the mess), the app may be already 64 bit 'ready', just need to dunk it into Snow Leopard for extra goodies to suddenly come alive.

Anyone here an Apple Developer as well as an FCP junkie?

Andrew Gyles · July 29th, 2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Floris van Eck

I am eager to learn how FCS (3, or should I say 2.5) deals with 64-bit.

Will there be a free update when Snow Leopard launches? Or do we have to wait untill FCS (4) launches to unleash the true power of our machines. And will will be forced to pay another $299 to get there? Don't get me wrong. $299 for 64-bit is a bargain if you see how much time you gain... but I really can't follow Apple anymore.

I expected the new FCS to go 64-bit and launch alongside Snow Leopard. But with this strange release time frame they confused me. The only thing I can think off is that they want to bug test FCS for the coming months so they can fix any bugs that occur now, and then release updates alongside Snow Leopard to make the transition to 64-bit easier.

But Apple isn't talking so we can only guess.

Apple does not call this release Final Cut Studio 3. It just refers to it as "the new Final Cut Studio":

Apple - Final Cut Studio

So Floris could be right in nicknaming it FCS 2.5 and suggesting that Apple might release another update alongside Snow Leopard. Perhaps they will name the latter release Final Cut Studio 3.

Andrew Gyles

Nevin Styre · July 30th, 2009, 12:52 AM

I never noticed that they never called it 3, I have a hard time believing that they would release another version only months after this one though, let alone within a year.

Ryan Hansen · July 30th, 2009, 12:54 AM

It seems a bit strange to release new software like this a few months before the new OS comes out, especially with quicktime X and x64

Maybe, FCS3 is a long way off? Maybe, apple are trying to squeeze those extra pennys out? Maybe quicktime X is not that much of an overhaul? I don't know, i;m just stirring the pot...

IMHO, everyone is raging on about how there's no BR support, or this isn't done, or that's not fixed and so on and so forth, it doesn't really make sense releasing FCS...2.5?

That's why I'm not upgrading. I'd love to, and there are some features i just about fell over about, but i'd hate to see my money go to waste. It does seem sort of like a large update, rather than a whole new version.

My 2 cents....

Ryan

Christopher Drews · July 30th, 2009, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Gyles

Apple does not call this release Final Cut Studio 3. It just refers to it as "the new Final Cut Studio"

On the install disc, it says the following:

Code:

Final Cut Studio
Install DVD
Version 3.0
1Z691-6402-A

Upgrade

So we should probably stop this whole 2.5 debate.
-C

Heath McKnight · July 30th, 2009, 08:03 AM

It's just semantics on Apple's part; I talked to a major editing professional who wished this was a better update with new stuff. I'm going to get started this weekend and see what's available.

Sure, FCP 6 had ProRes and Smoothcam--it's tough to top that, but if they can perfect those and other features, then I'm happy.

No BD support in DVDSP is disappointing, but a recent story I heard about, saw more and more consumers assuming they'd be watching movies via the Web, like Netflix's streaming service, VUDU, etc. I'll try and find the article--I think I heard it on the radio (NPR or something).

Heath

Matt Davis · July 30th, 2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Heath McKnight

wished this was a better update with new stuff.

Or have some of the old stuff fixed. FXscript is still part and parcel of FCP, indeed the new Alpha Transition is just FXscript and will probably work in 6.x. But whilst it's great to have continuity and compatibility, FXscript has some bugs in it.

For example: sad to note that the text tools still can't select certain fonts or pick out styles. Yes, theoretically one can build a simple bit of text in motion, but have things really come to that?

Just how much of this is a re-write, I wonder?

But having spent the last three days grouching about the upgrade, I'm going to get on with trying to like it. Cos it's all I got.

Bryan McCullough · July 30th, 2009, 06:19 PM

So no LiveType, but does installing it doesn't remove the old LiveType right? I'm still a big fan of LiveType.

I'm saddened by this release. For $300 to upgrade it's a no-brainer on the surface. I'd do it just for the new speed adjustment changes. But I've still got a PowerMac G5 that does some heavy editing in our office. Since this release is Intel only I'd have to upgrade that machine since I wouldn't be able to share projects from my laptop to the G5 if my laptop was running FCS 3.

This release is not worth getting a new machine for, when the G5 is still plugging away nicely. I had hoped that it would be.

If I had all Intel machines I'd be running to the Apple Store tonight, but since I'm not willing to upgrade the G5 for this release then that means I can't get it for any of my machines.

So, kinda sad. I wish this had been a better release. I'm AMAZED that there's no update to DVDSP. That boggles my mind.

Chris Leffler · July 30th, 2009, 06:56 PM

I can't decide if I should update either. I was possibly looking into what people above have done with getting a FCP 3 serial for cheap like $50 and then buying the upgrade for $300. Will this really work?

July 29th, 2009, 12:34 PM	#123
Mathieu Ghekiere Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,195	So, is the new Final Cut Pro 64-bit? I keep reading contrasting reports about this. Most people say it isn't, Mike Curtis from HDforIndies said it 'could run faster on Snow Leopard' which seems to hint at under the hood performance tweaks like 64bit and OpenCL, Grand Central, ... If it isn't 64-bit I'm really dissapointed. And then it also seems a bit weak giving the apps an update and then give them one again in a short while after the Snow Leopard release. Then they could have waited. And anyone already has some experiences to share? Thanks, __________________ http://productionsofthe3rdkind.com http://pr3k.com

July 29th, 2009, 12:48 PM	#124
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	From what I understand, FCS 3 won't support 64-bit until Snow Leopard comes out and (I believe) OpenCL. Heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

July 30th, 2009, 08:03 AM	#132
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	It's just semantics on Apple's part; I talked to a major editing professional who wished this was a better update with new stuff. I'm going to get started this weekend and see what's available. Sure, FCP 6 had ProRes and Smoothcam--it's tough to top that, but if they can perfect those and other features, then I'm happy. No BD support in DVDSP is disappointing, but a recent story I heard about, saw more and more consumers assuming they'd be watching movies via the Web, like Netflix's streaming service, VUDU, etc. I'll try and find the article--I think I heard it on the radio (NPR or something). Heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

July 29th, 2009, 05:08 AM	#122
Floris van Eck Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 993	I found some nice free training videos explaining the new FCS features: Ripple Training

July 29th, 2009, 12:51 PM	#125
Harrison Murchison Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 243	AppleInsider \| Road to Mac OS X Snow Leopard: 64-bit to the Kernel Explains well how Snow Leopard finally brings the 64-bit support we need.

July 29th, 2009, 02:17 PM	#126
Floris van Eck Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 993	I am eager to learn how FCS (3, or should I say 2.5) deals with 64-bit. Will there be a free update when Snow Leopard launches? Or do we have to wait untill FCS (4) launches to unleash the true power of our machines. And will will be forced to pay another $299 to get there? Don't get me wrong. $299 for 64-bit is a bargain if you see how much time you gain... but I really can't follow Apple anymore. I expected the new FCS to go 64-bit and launch alongside Snow Leopard. But with this strange release time frame they confused me. The only thing I can think off is that they want to bug test FCS for the coming months so they can fix any bugs that occur now, and then release updates alongside Snow Leopard to make the transition to 64-bit easier. But Apple isn't talking so we can only guess.

July 30th, 2009, 12:52 AM	#129
Nevin Styre Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kelowna Canada Posts: 34	I never noticed that they never called it 3, I have a hard time believing that they would release another version only months after this one though, let alone within a year.

July 30th, 2009, 12:54 AM	#130
Ryan Hansen Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 82	It seems a bit strange to release new software like this a few months before the new OS comes out, especially with quicktime X and x64 Maybe, FCS3 is a long way off? Maybe, apple are trying to squeeze those extra pennys out? Maybe quicktime X is not that much of an overhaul? I don't know, i;m just stirring the pot... IMHO, everyone is raging on about how there's no BR support, or this isn't done, or that's not fixed and so on and so forth, it doesn't really make sense releasing FCS...2.5? That's why I'm not upgrading. I'd love to, and there are some features i just about fell over about, but i'd hate to see my money go to waste. It does seem sort of like a large update, rather than a whole new version. My 2 cents.... Ryan

July 30th, 2009, 06:19 PM	#134
Bryan McCullough Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 842	So no LiveType, but does installing it doesn't remove the old LiveType right? I'm still a big fan of LiveType. I'm saddened by this release. For $300 to upgrade it's a no-brainer on the surface. I'd do it just for the new speed adjustment changes. But I've still got a PowerMac G5 that does some heavy editing in our office. Since this release is Intel only I'd have to upgrade that machine since I wouldn't be able to share projects from my laptop to the G5 if my laptop was running FCS 3. This release is not worth getting a new machine for, when the G5 is still plugging away nicely. I had hoped that it would be. If I had all Intel machines I'd be running to the Apple Store tonight, but since I'm not willing to upgrade the G5 for this release then that means I can't get it for any of my machines. So, kinda sad. I wish this had been a better release. I'm AMAZED that there's no update to DVDSP. That boggles my mind.

July 30th, 2009, 06:56 PM	#135
Chris Leffler Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wescosville, PA Posts: 90	I can't decide if I should update either. I was possibly looking into what people above have done with getting a FCP 3 serial for cheap like $50 and then buying the upgrade for $300. Will this really work?