The NEW Final Cut Studio announced today!

Chris Leffler · July 27th, 2009, 02:10 PM

Well the price listed on Penn States Computer Store is a lot lower than $899. So that is why I can not decide.

Michael Maier · July 28th, 2009, 05:07 AM

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IIRC, I have to put in several Serial Numbers, as I started out with 1.x and most serial numbers are 'Upgrade' Serials, so the installer asks me to go further and further back in time until I get to the original. Just part of the joy of upgrading I guess.

Yeah, I guess this could be a problem with the idea that somebody here had to buy a used copy of FCP 4 on Ebay for cheap and then buy the upgrade to FCS 3 in order to save some money.

Joachim Hoge · July 28th, 2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Maier

Yeah, I guess this could be a problem with the idea that somebody here had to buy a used copy of FCP 4 on Ebay for cheap and then buy the upgrade to FCS 3 in order to save some money.

I bought FC 3 for $50 of a guy here in Norway, then received the FCS upgrade package today. I entered the serial number from the FCS upgrade package, then I was told this was an upgrade serial, please enter previous serial number.
So I did and now I´m in the process of installing the new FCS, all for the total price of $350!
I´m very happy to say the least

Joachim Hoge · July 28th, 2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Maier

Yeah, I guess this could be a problem with the idea that somebody here had to buy a used copy of FCP 4 on Ebay for cheap and then buy the upgrade to FCS 3 in order to save some money.

I think that if you had put the "original" or first SN from the start that would be all it would ask of you

Jason Lowe · July 28th, 2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Joachim Hoge

I bought FC 3 for $50 of a guy here in Norway, then received the FCS upgrade package today. I entered the serial number from the FCS upgrade package, then I was told this was an upgrade serial, please enter previous serial number.
So I did and now I´m in the process of installing the new FCS, all for the total price of $350!
I´m very happy to say the least

I had an old FCP 3 license, which was an upgrade version, and the FCS 3 update version took this with no problem.

I actually called Apple to check on this before buying.

Heath McKnight · July 28th, 2009, 11:01 AM

I love that starting with FCS 2, you didn't have to own previous versions of every app that was once sold separately, including FCP, DVDSP, and Motion.

Heath

Joachim Hoge · July 28th, 2009, 12:34 PM

true, I really admire their update program. I guess their thinking is that the more the merrier

Matt Davis · July 28th, 2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Joachim Hoge

I think that if you had put the "original" or first SN from the start that would be all it would ask of you

I can confirm that. I tried it this time:

- First SN: the one supplied with the package - an upgrade
- Second SN: the FCP3 number (my last full SN for some reason)

Worked a treat.

FWIW: I did a full de-install with FCS Remover, then a full install. All plugs seem to have made the transition. What I DID lose (but got back in 20 seconds with Time Machine) was my custom window layouts, compressor settings and other such twiddles.

Maybe its a case of Mea Culpa, but Apple could look into not letting that sort of thing happen.

Niels Neeskens · July 28th, 2009, 03:10 PM

Hey Matt,

Quick question, how did you replace the custom window layouts, compressor settings and other stuff?

Matt Davis · July 28th, 2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Niels Neeskens

how did you replace the custom window layouts, compressor settings and other stuff?

After about seven hours of wrangling (two systems to set up), it's a bit of a blur. But...

IIRC I opened Time Machine, navigated to

yourUserName/Library/Preferences/Final Cut Pro Settings/

Selected the Window Layouts folder and hit 'restore'.

I had a number of layouts already saved (from way, WAY back) and they seem to work just fine in 7 as they did in 6 and 5.

Compressor location:

yourUserName/Library/Application Support/Compressor/*.setting - ditto.

Matt Davis · July 28th, 2009, 03:56 PM

Oh dear.

Not many people have got it to work. Here's how:

do a 'rotate' gesture: finger down in middle of trackpad, then another finger rotates to draw a 'circumference' around the centre.

The trouble is that, if you're moderately big-fingered, this gesture is easy to misinterpret as a pinch or unpinch gesture so you zoom as well as scrub.

What you can't do is treat the thing like an iPhone version of a BVE5000 jog/shuttle knob. More's the shame. It's certainly not the tactile feel of scrubbing 1/4 tape over the playback head, and neither is it a Harry style scroll. It will probably 'give good demo' in tradeshow booths, but

And the gestures are not consistent. The three finger swipe to get to the top of a sequence in FCP pops open the sequence window in Motion. Maybe it's a good idea, but (to paraphrase Samuel Goldfish) "if Bruce Tognazzini were alive today, he'd be spinning in his grave".

Michael Liebergot · July 28th, 2009, 05:46 PM

Did anyone notice that you CAN'T capture to ProRes LT or ProRes Proxy via Firewire.
So that means that those of us who still shoot with tape, only have the option to capture first to HDV and then transcode to ProRes LT or Proxy. Or capture straight to regular ProRes.

Kind of sucks big time.

I hope Apple fixes this with a patch like they did with the original ProRes and Firewire.

Currently I can't capture to the two new codecs with my Black Magic Intensity Pro card either.
I hope an update is done to the Intensity drivers soon that will enable me to do this as well.

Mainly I really would like the ability to be able to capture via Firewire to my MacBook Pro, as I don't have any other way to capture tape footage to the laptop when I am on the road. The MacPro in the office I am not so much worried about.

Andy Mees · July 28th, 2009, 08:32 PM

Michael, I'd bet thats exactly what we'll see ... hopefully it'll allow one to transcode to full raster too.

Scott Brickert · July 28th, 2009, 10:56 PM

I came across this interesting plugin called Auto Scratch by Editmule. It keeps track of scratch disks, matching them with projects.

Unfortunately I haven't tried it yet, so no words from experience, but thought y'all might like to look into it.

Floris van Eck · July 29th, 2009, 04:05 AM

I can see why Apple doesn't dare to call this Final Cut Studio 3.

Some great improvements but they should have been free for all Final Cut Studio 2 users. I hope we don't have to wait another two years for an update like this. But I also can't imagine that they do another update in a year or so.

Sometimes I really don't understand you, Apple.

July 28th, 2009, 11:01 AM	#111
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I love that starting with FCS 2, you didn't have to own previous versions of every app that was once sold separately, including FCP, DVDSP, and Motion. Heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

July 28th, 2009, 03:56 PM	#116
Matt Davis Trustee Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Berkshire, UK Posts: 1,562	Jog/Shuttle gesture Oh dear. Not many people have got it to work. Here's how: do a 'rotate' gesture: finger down in middle of trackpad, then another finger rotates to draw a 'circumference' around the centre. The trouble is that, if you're moderately big-fingered, this gesture is easy to misinterpret as a pinch or unpinch gesture so you zoom as well as scrub. What you can't do is treat the thing like an iPhone version of a BVE5000 jog/shuttle knob. More's the shame. It's certainly not the tactile feel of scrubbing 1/4 tape over the playback head, and neither is it a Harry style scroll. It will probably 'give good demo' in tradeshow booths, but And the gestures are not consistent. The three finger swipe to get to the top of a sequence in FCP pops open the sequence window in Motion. Maybe it's a good idea, but (to paraphrase Samuel Goldfish) "if Bruce Tognazzini were alive today, he'd be spinning in his grave". __________________ Director/Editor - MDMA Ltd: Write, Shoot, Edit, Publish - mattdavis.pro EX1 x2, C100 --> FCPX & PPro6

July 28th, 2009, 05:46 PM	#117
Michael Liebergot Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,505	No ProRes LT or Proxy capture via Firewire? Did anyone notice that you CAN'T capture to ProRes LT or ProRes Proxy via Firewire. So that means that those of us who still shoot with tape, only have the option to capture first to HDV and then transcode to ProRes LT or Proxy. Or capture straight to regular ProRes. Kind of sucks big time. I hope Apple fixes this with a patch like they did with the original ProRes and Firewire. Currently I can't capture to the two new codecs with my Black Magic Intensity Pro card either. I hope an update is done to the Intensity drivers soon that will enable me to do this as well. Mainly I really would like the ability to be able to capture via Firewire to my MacBook Pro, as I don't have any other way to capture tape footage to the laptop when I am on the road. The MacPro in the office I am not so much worried about. __________________ Michael www.lvpvideo.com

July 28th, 2009, 10:56 PM	#119
Scott Brickert Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Crested Butte, CO Posts: 576	Auto Scratch by Edit Mule I came across this interesting plugin called Auto Scratch by Editmule. It keeps track of scratch disks, matching them with projects. Unfortunately I haven't tried it yet, so no words from experience, but thought y'all might like to look into it. __________________ Scott Shot-By-Scott

July 27th, 2009, 02:10 PM	#106
Chris Leffler Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wescosville, PA Posts: 90	Well the price listed on Penn States Computer Store is a lot lower than $899. So that is why I can not decide.

July 28th, 2009, 12:34 PM	#112
Joachim Hoge Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 402	true, I really admire their update program. I guess their thinking is that the more the merrier

July 28th, 2009, 03:10 PM	#114
Niels Neeskens Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Almelo Posts: 177	Hey Matt, Quick question, how did you replace the custom window layouts, compressor settings and other stuff?

July 28th, 2009, 08:32 PM	#118
Andy Mees Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 645	Michael, I'd bet thats exactly what we'll see ... hopefully it'll allow one to transcode to full raster too.

July 29th, 2009, 04:05 AM	#120
Floris van Eck Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 993	I can see why Apple doesn't dare to call this Final Cut Studio 3. Some great improvements but they should have been free for all Final Cut Studio 2 users. I hope we don't have to wait another two years for an update like this. But I also can't imagine that they do another update in a year or so. Sometimes I really don't understand you, Apple.