Apple/HDV editing stuff and links

Heath McKnight · July 10th, 2004, 10:12 AM

Who knows...and Apple ain't talkin', that's for sure!

heath

Jon D Freedman · October 31st, 2004, 08:14 AM

Just want to know what the deal will be with Tiger OS 10.4? I have FCP4 HD running on a G5 and have recently acquired a JVC JY HD10 hi def camera if I can get OS 10.4 installed on my machine (which is now on OS 10.3.5) will I need another plug in or something for FCP in order to download from the camera and edit in Hi def? Will I still need Lumiere HD even with OS 10.4? What will be the procedure? Anyone out there that can explain it to me?

J D

Heath McKnight · October 31st, 2004, 10:43 AM

It'll run better on the G5 than Panther, which is great for Final Cut HD.

heath

Jon D Freedman · October 31st, 2004, 11:48 AM

OK<

So what you are saying is that 10.4 is a more robust platform for HDV but I will still need Lumiere? Or that 10.4 will eliminate the need for any third party software? Also I have seen a lot of different posts that talk about Lumiere or 4HDV, etc. etc. Which is the best solution/set up?

Thanks,

J D

Heath McKnight · October 31st, 2004, 03:07 PM

Until Final Cut Pro comes out with support for HDV, you're gonna need Lumiere HD or other 3rd party software. 10.4 is a faster and more powerful OS, but doesn't have HDV support.

heath

Jon D Freedman · October 31st, 2004, 05:27 PM

Thanks,

You have obviously already been down this road. Would you reccomend Lumiere HD or is there some other better solution for FCP 4 HD?

J D

Heath McKnight · October 31st, 2004, 11:13 PM

Lumiere HD is great and Frederic is promising 1080i HDV support soon. Lots of great reviews (I'll have mine up soon).

There's also Steve Mullen's solution, which is really just a bunch of programs cobbled together. It's a bit pricey, too. I've heard some not-so-great things, though.

You can also use some free stuff, that's kind of iffy, found in this very thread. I used it, and had some problems, but surprisingly, making my HDV clips into Pixlet clips and editing those weren't so bad. Apple Computer was surprised, that's for sure!

heath

Jon D Freedman · November 1st, 2004, 06:28 AM

Great thanks much for the info. I'd done some research (mostly thorugh this excellent site and JVC) and seen the options you'd mentioned. Getting the word from an objective individual that Lumiere is it works for me. I'll go that way and the fact that they are going to make this work with the new Sony sounds like a good thing too.

Now that I've alread jumped into Hi Def with the little JVC camera and with the understanding that there will soon be many more options available (including JVC's new HD version of the GYHDV5000 which will include flash recording) I think I will wait as long as I can before buying another HD cam. What is your take on this new emerging market?
thanks for your help.

J D

Heath McKnight · November 1st, 2004, 09:18 AM

The market is going a bit faster than DV did, only because no one realized how powerful DV was. Or that DV filmmaking would be accepted. In early 1999, I bought a G3 Power Mac with Premiere (Final Cut wasn't out for another couple of months) and an XL-1 and I was LAUGHED at for using a Mac AND for shooting digitally. One old film teacher called me dumb, though a year later, Lucas said he was using the CineAlta to shoot Ep. 2.

HDV is here to stay, until the next format comes out. We laughed about mini-HD cameras over five years ago, laughing about how great it would be to buy a $900 mini-HD handycam, and now it's here. Maybe not as saturated, but it's here.

heath

Marto Lautz · December 6th, 2004, 08:41 PM

I'm having problems runing project x it giveme errors yhe file don't open I tried to open terminal and didn't work
any commentes

Marto Lautz · December 6th, 2004, 10:21 PM

ok I make it to work.
now I'm having problems importing it to final cut pro hd.
it only import the auidio.
may be that I'm using 1440 x 1080i

Heath McKnight · December 6th, 2004, 11:06 PM

1440 x 1080 is what the FX1 shoots. What are you using to capture, demux, etc. in your Apple?

hwm

Marto Lautz · December 7th, 2004, 12:31 AM

this works incredible good
loss less codec and the fastest option
check it out
[http://www.alfanet.it/squared5/mpegstreamclip.html]

Dom Dzip · December 12th, 2004, 08:44 PM

Ouch!
When transforming m2t files to .mov files to edit uncompressed in FCP4.5, I OFTEN come up with artefacs that look like the digital DROPS I got on dv footage once and a while when my camera heads were dirty. (squares, like large pixels show up on the image - in large numbers on a single frame)

These drops are HUGE! they cover 2 or 3 frames and a large central area of my images. I also experienced FREEZING of an image for 1 second or so in the output footage once and a while. (I did convert 6 hours, but this should be flawless, should it not?)

Now if I view my footage on the camera, the image is clean.

Has anyone experienced such problem?

If this happens to you, try watching the m2t footage on something else too before freaking out like I did! I tried viewing the footage in VLC player and it seems clean! Pfiew!

Now, does anyone have another alternative to demux on a mac?

dOM

Dom Dzip · December 14th, 2004, 03:02 PM

I've tried to find some other solution but ran out of patience & this project is on tight deadline

so I bought lumiere and I'm trying the beta wich supports HDR-FX1

this forum sometimes seems like a big add campain for lumiere.
But it solved my problem - no artefacts despite the long transfer time and that the fact that the Apple upgrade will soon make me put my newly bought soft in the closet.

Cheers.
dOM

July 10th, 2004, 10:12 AM	#46
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Who knows...and Apple ain't talkin', that's for sure! heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 31st, 2004, 08:14 AM	#47
Jon D Freedman New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 14	RE:OS 10.4 Tiger and editing Hi Def in FCP4 HD Just want to know what the deal will be with Tiger OS 10.4? I have FCP4 HD running on a G5 and have recently acquired a JVC JY HD10 hi def camera if I can get OS 10.4 installed on my machine (which is now on OS 10.3.5) will I need another plug in or something for FCP in order to download from the camera and edit in Hi def? Will I still need Lumiere HD even with OS 10.4? What will be the procedure? Anyone out there that can explain it to me? J D __________________ JDFTV

October 31st, 2004, 10:43 AM	#48
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	It'll run better on the G5 than Panther, which is great for Final Cut HD. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 31st, 2004, 11:48 AM	#49
Jon D Freedman New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 14	OK< So what you are saying is that 10.4 is a more robust platform for HDV but I will still need Lumiere? Or that 10.4 will eliminate the need for any third party software? Also I have seen a lot of different posts that talk about Lumiere or 4HDV, etc. etc. Which is the best solution/set up? Thanks, J D __________________ JDFTV

October 31st, 2004, 03:07 PM	#50
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Until Final Cut Pro comes out with support for HDV, you're gonna need Lumiere HD or other 3rd party software. 10.4 is a faster and more powerful OS, but doesn't have HDV support. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 31st, 2004, 05:27 PM	#51
Jon D Freedman New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 14	Thanks, You have obviously already been down this road. Would you reccomend Lumiere HD or is there some other better solution for FCP 4 HD? J D __________________ JDFTV

October 31st, 2004, 11:13 PM	#52
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Lumiere HD is great and Frederic is promising 1080i HDV support soon. Lots of great reviews (I'll have mine up soon). There's also Steve Mullen's solution, which is really just a bunch of programs cobbled together. It's a bit pricey, too. I've heard some not-so-great things, though. You can also use some free stuff, that's kind of iffy, found in this very thread. I used it, and had some problems, but surprisingly, making my HDV clips into Pixlet clips and editing those weren't so bad. Apple Computer was surprised, that's for sure! heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

November 1st, 2004, 06:28 AM	#53
Jon D Freedman New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 14	Great thanks much for the info. I'd done some research (mostly thorugh this excellent site and JVC) and seen the options you'd mentioned. Getting the word from an objective individual that Lumiere is it works for me. I'll go that way and the fact that they are going to make this work with the new Sony sounds like a good thing too. Now that I've alread jumped into Hi Def with the little JVC camera and with the understanding that there will soon be many more options available (including JVC's new HD version of the GYHDV5000 which will include flash recording) I think I will wait as long as I can before buying another HD cam. What is your take on this new emerging market? thanks for your help. J D __________________ JDFTV

November 1st, 2004, 09:18 AM	#54
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	The market is going a bit faster than DV did, only because no one realized how powerful DV was. Or that DV filmmaking would be accepted. In early 1999, I bought a G3 Power Mac with Premiere (Final Cut wasn't out for another couple of months) and an XL-1 and I was LAUGHED at for using a Mac AND for shooting digitally. One old film teacher called me dumb, though a year later, Lucas said he was using the CineAlta to shoot Ep. 2. HDV is here to stay, until the next format comes out. We laughed about mini-HD cameras over five years ago, laughing about how great it would be to buy a $900 mini-HD handycam, and now it's here. Maybe not as saturated, but it's here. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

December 6th, 2004, 08:41 PM	#55
Marto Lautz New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: philadelphia PA Posts: 23	I'm having problems runing project x it giveme errors yhe file don't open I tried to open terminal and didn't work any commentes __________________ Martin Lautz Director of Photography Filmverlag Productions www.filmverlag.com

December 6th, 2004, 10:21 PM	#56
Marto Lautz New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: philadelphia PA Posts: 23	ok I make it to work. now I'm having problems importing it to final cut pro hd. it only import the auidio. may be that I'm using 1440 x 1080i __________________ Martin Lautz Director of Photography Filmverlag Productions www.filmverlag.com

December 6th, 2004, 11:06 PM	#57
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	1440 x 1080 is what the FX1 shoots. What are you using to capture, demux, etc. in your Apple? hwm __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

December 7th, 2004, 12:31 AM	#58
Marto Lautz New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: philadelphia PA Posts: 23	this works incredible good loss less codec and the fastest option check it out [http://www.alfanet.it/squared5/mpegstreamclip.html] __________________ Martin Lautz Director of Photography Filmverlag Productions www.filmverlag.com

December 12th, 2004, 08:44 PM	#59
Dom Dzip New Boot Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	Troubles with mpegstreamclip Ouch! When transforming m2t files to .mov files to edit uncompressed in FCP4.5, I OFTEN come up with artefacs that look like the digital DROPS I got on dv footage once and a while when my camera heads were dirty. (squares, like large pixels show up on the image - in large numbers on a single frame) These drops are HUGE! they cover 2 or 3 frames and a large central area of my images. I also experienced FREEZING of an image for 1 second or so in the output footage once and a while. (I did convert 6 hours, but this should be flawless, should it not?) Now if I view my footage on the camera, the image is clean. Has anyone experienced such problem? If this happens to you, try watching the m2t footage on something else too before freaking out like I did! I tried viewing the footage in VLC player and it seems clean! Pfiew! Now, does anyone have another alternative to demux on a mac? dOM

December 14th, 2004, 03:02 PM	#60
Dom Dzip New Boot Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	well... went for lumiere I've tried to find some other solution but ran out of patience & this project is on tight deadline so I bought lumiere and I'm trying the beta wich supports HDR-FX1 this forum sometimes seems like a big add campain for lumiere. But it solved my problem - no artefacts despite the long transfer time and that the fact that the Apple upgrade will soon make me put my newly bought soft in the closet. Cheers. dOM