NLE Mac / Final Cut questions from 2003

Jean-Denis Borel · September 23rd, 2003, 09:47 AM

Is anyone using the Blackmagic Decklink SD card on a Mac with FCP 4 ? I am considering buying it soon, but am looking for some reviews... Have you got experience with the "Jpeg Online" codec and color correction filters (better in 4:2:2 than with a standard DV codec ?).
Cheers,

JDB

Joe Lloyd · September 23rd, 2003, 10:44 AM

Capture as one whole thing and use scene detection to split it into subclips.

Gary Chavez · September 23rd, 2003, 12:43 PM

is there a way to have final cut 3 count the edits in a timeline?

Glenn Chan · September 23rd, 2003, 01:49 PM

If you draw all your timeline contents into a bin you can see how many clips you have. Not sure if this will help you. What exactly are you trying to do?

Gary Chavez · September 23rd, 2003, 01:54 PM

just curious as to how many edits i have in my current project and im to lazy to count them.

Josh Mitchell · September 23rd, 2003, 06:08 PM

Hey DV thundercats:

I am in the middle of editing a feature shot with the Panasonic DVX-100 in 24p advanced mode. I have some old 16mm film footage on VHS that I am trying to incorporate into my story. Does anyone know how to mix footage shot in 30 into a program set to edit in 24? I tried and it looks terrible and gives me massive split screens.

I would appreciate if anyone had any insight. Thank you.

-JOSH MITCHELL
http://wickidpissaboston.iuma.com

Ted Springer · September 23rd, 2003, 07:06 PM

Or you could just change the in and out points on the master clip each time before you drop it on the time line.

Marcus Damberger · September 24th, 2003, 04:58 PM

Near as I can tell there is no Premiere Pro (version 7) for the Mac. We are using Premiere 6 right now. If there are not going to be further updates to Premiere for the Macintosh, would it be best to migrate to Final Cut Pro 4?

Strangely enough, it might be easier for us to get a new editing system with FCP4 then to ask for updates of system software. Particularly if our editing software is no longer supported.

We have a G4 (700someMHz model) w/20gig media drives OS 9.2
Thanks.

-Marcus

Glenn Chan · September 24th, 2003, 05:23 PM

Apple had a promotion going where you send in your Premiere disc and get FCExpress for free or discounted Final Cut Pro.

Final Cut is a great program- much better than Premiere in my opinion. A lot of pros are using FCP. A single processor 700mhz G4 might be a bit slow, but it really depends on how much speed you need. You are not going to get much RT effects (1 layer maybe?) and the program will be sluggish on large projects.

There are some great NLEs on the PC side too. A PC can be very cheap and powerful if you build it yourself. If you're coming from the Mac side then that's probably not for you.

Glenn Chan · September 24th, 2003, 05:59 PM

Maybe you can use cinema tools to remove 3:2 pulldown.

Steve Nunez · September 24th, 2003, 07:40 PM

I sorta recall reading somewhere that Adobe has discontinued developement on Premier for Mac because of the impact FCP has made on Premier/Mac version sales.......

....but continues development on other Adobe products (I recall reading more licensed Photoshop/Mac licenses than other platform/sales)...so Adobe is still in the Mac software realm but has bitten the bullet when it comes to Premier...

...correct me if other information proves this wrong.

Jeff Donald · September 24th, 2003, 09:25 PM

Everything is correct, Steve and Glenn. However, after scouring the Apple Store for the dates of the Premiere Promotion, it appears that it may have expired. I could find no information on the offer.

Ted Springer · September 25th, 2003, 02:01 AM

I don't have Cinema Tools right in front of me right now, so I'll try this from memory:

On your 16mm video, after it is transfered over to DV, make sure it has 3:2 pulldown. In other words, it should go:
frame-frame-frame-jitter-jitter (repeat)... you may need to select "High Quality" under the video attributes of the Quicktime file itself to see the jitter frames... otherwise DV QT's only show you a single field at a time and that's why they look fuzzy.

If the two jitter frames are the first two frames on the DV video (make it so they are), open it with Cinema Tools and see select "Reverse Telecine". Now you have a bunch of drop menus and radio buttons. See the set of buttons toward the bottom (there should be 5 in a row) that say something like (this is what I can't remember) AB BC BB CC or some jive like that? Well select the middle button. Don't change anything else. Press change or save or whatever button it is and Cinema Tools will create a version of your DV Quicktime with a REV suffix. You can import that into the 24 timeline and it'll work fine.

Graeme Nattress · September 25th, 2003, 08:08 AM

Go FCP - I left premiere with FCP version 1, and have enjoyed every minute of it. It also helps that I left premiere with the version 5 fiasco!

David LeBlanc · September 25th, 2003, 08:23 PM

Hi all Need some advice on partitioning my little 60GIG drive for FCP and DVD studio Pro. Such as should I bother or can I set my little 60 gig drive up to work with these applications, or is it possible for it to run on a single drive with the OS and FCP AND media files all on the same drive
Thanks Dave LeBlanc

September 23rd, 2003, 09:47 AM	#1066
Jean-Denis Borel New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 12	Blackmagic Decklink SD Is anyone using the Blackmagic Decklink SD card on a Mac with FCP 4 ? I am considering buying it soon, but am looking for some reviews... Have you got experience with the "Jpeg Online" codec and color correction filters (better in 4:2:2 than with a standard DV codec ?). Cheers, JDB

September 23rd, 2003, 12:43 PM	#1068
Gary Chavez Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Antonio Posts: 355	counting edits is there a way to have final cut 3 count the edits in a timeline?

September 23rd, 2003, 06:08 PM	#1071
Josh Mitchell New Boot Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 15	FCP4 bringing 30 into a program set for 24 Hey DV thundercats: I am in the middle of editing a feature shot with the Panasonic DVX-100 in 24p advanced mode. I have some old 16mm film footage on VHS that I am trying to incorporate into my story. Does anyone know how to mix footage shot in 30 into a program set to edit in 24? I tried and it looks terrible and gives me massive split screens. I would appreciate if anyone had any insight. Thank you. -JOSH MITCHELL http://wickidpissaboston.iuma.com __________________ wickid pissa

September 24th, 2003, 04:58 PM	#1073
Marcus Damberger Tourist Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Roswell NM Posts: 1	Premiere Pro (7) for Mac? Near as I can tell there is no Premiere Pro (version 7) for the Mac. We are using Premiere 6 right now. If there are not going to be further updates to Premiere for the Macintosh, would it be best to migrate to Final Cut Pro 4? Strangely enough, it might be easier for us to get a new editing system with FCP4 then to ask for updates of system software. Particularly if our editing software is no longer supported. We have a G4 (700someMHz model) w/20gig media drives OS 9.2 Thanks. -Marcus

September 24th, 2003, 07:40 PM	#1076
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	I sorta recall reading somewhere that Adobe has discontinued developement on Premier for Mac because of the impact FCP has made on Premier/Mac version sales....... ....but continues development on other Adobe products (I recall reading more licensed Photoshop/Mac licenses than other platform/sales)...so Adobe is still in the Mac software realm but has bitten the bullet when it comes to Premier... ...correct me if other information proves this wrong. __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

September 23rd, 2003, 10:44 AM	#1067
Joe Lloyd Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 202	Capture as one whole thing and use scene detection to split it into subclips.

September 23rd, 2003, 01:49 PM	#1069
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	If you draw all your timeline contents into a bin you can see how many clips you have. Not sure if this will help you. What exactly are you trying to do?

September 23rd, 2003, 01:54 PM	#1070
Gary Chavez Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Antonio Posts: 355	just curious as to how many edits i have in my current project and im to lazy to count them.

September 23rd, 2003, 07:06 PM	#1072
Ted Springer Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Glendale CA Posts: 328	Or you could just change the in and out points on the master clip each time before you drop it on the time line.

September 24th, 2003, 05:23 PM	#1074
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Apple had a promotion going where you send in your Premiere disc and get FCExpress for free or discounted Final Cut Pro. Final Cut is a great program- much better than Premiere in my opinion. A lot of pros are using FCP. A single processor 700mhz G4 might be a bit slow, but it really depends on how much speed you need. You are not going to get much RT effects (1 layer maybe?) and the program will be sluggish on large projects. There are some great NLEs on the PC side too. A PC can be very cheap and powerful if you build it yourself. If you're coming from the Mac side then that's probably not for you.

September 24th, 2003, 05:59 PM	#1075
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Maybe you can use cinema tools to remove 3:2 pulldown.

September 24th, 2003, 09:25 PM	#1077
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Everything is correct, Steve and Glenn. However, after scouring the Apple Store for the dates of the Premiere Promotion, it appears that it may have expired. I could find no information on the offer. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 25th, 2003, 02:01 AM	#1078
Ted Springer Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Glendale CA Posts: 328	I don't have Cinema Tools right in front of me right now, so I'll try this from memory: On your 16mm video, after it is transfered over to DV, make sure it has 3:2 pulldown. In other words, it should go: frame-frame-frame-jitter-jitter (repeat)... you may need to select "High Quality" under the video attributes of the Quicktime file itself to see the jitter frames... otherwise DV QT's only show you a single field at a time and that's why they look fuzzy. If the two jitter frames are the first two frames on the DV video (make it so they are), open it with Cinema Tools and see select "Reverse Telecine". Now you have a bunch of drop menus and radio buttons. See the set of buttons toward the bottom (there should be 5 in a row) that say something like (this is what I can't remember) AB BC BB CC or some jive like that? Well select the middle button. Don't change anything else. Press change or save or whatever button it is and Cinema Tools will create a version of your DV Quicktime with a REV suffix. You can import that into the 24 timeline and it'll work fine.

September 25th, 2003, 08:08 AM	#1079
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	Go FCP - I left premiere with FCP version 1, and have enjoyed every minute of it. It also helps that I left premiere with the version 5 fiasco! __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

September 25th, 2003, 08:23 PM	#1080
David LeBlanc Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cape Breton Nova Scotia Canada Posts: 37	Partitioning drive Hi all Need some advice on partitioning my little 60GIG drive for FCP and DVD studio Pro. Such as should I bother or can I set my little 60 gig drive up to work with these applications, or is it possible for it to run on a single drive with the OS and FCP AND media files all on the same drive Thanks Dave LeBlanc __________________ Regards David LeBlanc