NLE Mac / Final Cut questions from 2003

Todd Szuch · September 15th, 2003, 12:35 AM

sorry bout that,

I though i posted into the Final Cut Pro thread. But I am working with Final Cut 4 ion a Power Mac G4.

Jeff Donald · September 15th, 2003, 06:36 AM

Your program should start at 00:00:00;00 and the end time will be the total run time (TRT). You might have a break in timecode or the program didn't start at 00.

Ken Tanaka · September 15th, 2003, 08:48 AM

Perhaps you have a leader of bars, countdown or black?

Chris Ferrer · September 15th, 2003, 08:57 AM

I just ordered one of these, never knew anything like this existed... I usually just use a pencil and paper but this just looked like a gadget I had to have.

http://www.calculated.com/products/9226.html?specialty

I guess the only thing I will save is a little time and some paper but I thought i would put this link out here incase anyone else thinks it may help them.

Jeff Donald · September 15th, 2003, 09:04 AM

There is also software that does TC calculations. It can be downloaded at Version Tracker.

Matt Concialdi · September 15th, 2003, 12:25 PM

Just wanted to know if anyone has bought and/or played with the Dual G5 yet? If so, how do you like it? How is FCP 4 taking to it? Run across any problems yet? Or have any advice for a buying a dual G5.

Any comments or advice will help. I'm looking to buy one soon, well, as soon as they start stocking up.

Thanks

Todd Szuch · September 15th, 2003, 03:23 PM

OK now, i just purchased a Sony DVCAM DSR-11 and have it hooked up to my Power Mac G4, running final cut pro 4. The reason for purchasing this deck is so it can take the timecode from my Final Cut. When i have it set that way, and i try to print to tape, the timecode doest seem to carry over. actually the timecode in the tape stays at 00:00:00;00 the whole way through. Is there a setting that i missed in my final cut? i talked to sony and they say that i have to set final cut to export timecode through the firewire. But it seems the only way to set it that way is in PAL format? i must be doing something wrong. Please help! I:M LOST! lol

thanks in advance,
Todd

Glenn Chan · September 15th, 2003, 04:21 PM

I'm not sure if you deck will do this, but you should be able to stripe it with timecode (i.e. start at 00:59:00;00) and then do an insert edit so that your program starts at 01:00:00;00.

I don't believe that the timecode you want is sent down firewire.

Glenn Chan · September 15th, 2003, 04:24 PM

If you're buying one get 3rd party RAM, it's about half the price. Crucial and Kingston PC3200 RAM should work (need to buy them in pairs; matched pairs would be preferred). crucial.com, prciewatch.com, newegg.com would be places to start.

Todd Szuch · September 15th, 2003, 05:45 PM

yes, when i purchased the deck the guy did explain that timecode will be transfered through the firewire. So thats what should happen. You can also set the deck to take External timecode. Its one of the functions.

Jaime Valles · September 15th, 2003, 07:00 PM

Well, the title says it all. They both cost about the same, and I don't need Firewire 800 or USB2. I also have no use for OS9. I'd be using this computer to edit one feature-length MiniDV movie using Final Cut Pro 4.

The real question is which machine will handle FCP4 better: dual G4s or a single G5? Now that benchmarks are starting to come out, maybe somebody can chime in.

Of course, I'd fill either one up with RAM, but I can't afford the 4GB RAM max of the G5, so the 2GB limit of the G4 is fine. Also, there is something to be said for the proven stability of the G4 vs the unproven potential quirkiness of the G5.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

Ken Tanaka · September 15th, 2003, 07:40 PM

Jaime,
I would choose the G5 for its longevity and potential future residual value. The G5 is clearly going to be Apple's target platform for the foreseeable future. The professional products such as FCP and DVD SP will soon be optimized specifically to take advantage of the G5's new capabilities.

Ignore performance benchmarks against current configurations. They're irrelevant, noisy distractions for the myopic buyer. The G5 single processor will more than keep you busy and happy.

Jeff Donald · September 15th, 2003, 08:05 PM

If you are just doing the one project and you are starting now, then I'd get the G4. However, Panther (OS 10.3) is due in a month or so. The G5's will start to fly when Panther is released. Apple had to come up with a temporary OS (10.2.7) only for the G5's. That's why they are a little less stable. They are really optimized for Panther. If your project doesn't start for several months, get the G5.

Jeff Donald · September 15th, 2003, 08:11 PM

Check the menus for timecode. You may have to set it for FireWire. Some TC is through an external connection, some is on the vertical interval. It should be in the manual.

Jeff Donald · September 15th, 2003, 08:15 PM

Duals aren't shipping yet. I've heard a rumor they may wait until Panther ships.

September 15th, 2003, 06:36 AM	#992
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Your program should start at 00:00:00;00 and the end time will be the total run time (TRT). You might have a break in timecode or the program didn't start at 00. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 15th, 2003, 08:48 AM	#993
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Perhaps you have a leader of bars, countdown or black? __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

September 15th, 2003, 08:57 AM	#994
Chris Ferrer Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Durham Posts: 116	TC calculator - Time Master II I just ordered one of these, never knew anything like this existed... I usually just use a pencil and paper but this just looked like a gadget I had to have. http://www.calculated.com/products/9226.html?specialty I guess the only thing I will save is a little time and some paper but I thought i would put this link out here incase anyone else thinks it may help them.

September 15th, 2003, 09:04 AM	#995
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	There is also software that does TC calculations. It can be downloaded at Version Tracker. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 15th, 2003, 12:25 PM	#996
Matt Concialdi Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mission Viejo Posts: 28	Anyone received a DP G5 Yet? Just wanted to know if anyone has bought and/or played with the Dual G5 yet? If so, how do you like it? How is FCP 4 taking to it? Run across any problems yet? Or have any advice for a buying a dual G5. Any comments or advice will help. I'm looking to buy one soon, well, as soon as they start stocking up. Thanks

September 15th, 2003, 12:35 AM	#991
Todd Szuch Tourist Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4	sorry bout that, I though i posted into the Final Cut Pro thread. But I am working with Final Cut 4 ion a Power Mac G4.

September 15th, 2003, 03:23 PM	#997
Todd Szuch Tourist Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4	DVCAM and Timecode OK now, i just purchased a Sony DVCAM DSR-11 and have it hooked up to my Power Mac G4, running final cut pro 4. The reason for purchasing this deck is so it can take the timecode from my Final Cut. When i have it set that way, and i try to print to tape, the timecode doest seem to carry over. actually the timecode in the tape stays at 00:00:00;00 the whole way through. Is there a setting that i missed in my final cut? i talked to sony and they say that i have to set final cut to export timecode through the firewire. But it seems the only way to set it that way is in PAL format? i must be doing something wrong. Please help! I:M LOST! lol thanks in advance, Todd

September 15th, 2003, 04:21 PM	#998
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	I'm not sure if you deck will do this, but you should be able to stripe it with timecode (i.e. start at 00:59:00;00) and then do an insert edit so that your program starts at 01:00:00;00. I don't believe that the timecode you want is sent down firewire.

September 15th, 2003, 04:24 PM	#999
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	If you're buying one get 3rd party RAM, it's about half the price. Crucial and Kingston PC3200 RAM should work (need to buy them in pairs; matched pairs would be preferred). crucial.com, prciewatch.com, newegg.com would be places to start.

September 15th, 2003, 05:45 PM	#1000
Todd Szuch Tourist Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4	yes, when i purchased the deck the guy did explain that timecode will be transfered through the firewire. So thats what should happen. You can also set the deck to take External timecode. Its one of the functions.

September 15th, 2003, 07:00 PM	#1001
Jaime Valles Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: New York City, NY Posts: 316	Dual 1.25GHz G4 vs Single 1.6GHz G5? Well, the title says it all. They both cost about the same, and I don't need Firewire 800 or USB2. I also have no use for OS9. I'd be using this computer to edit one feature-length MiniDV movie using Final Cut Pro 4. The real question is which machine will handle FCP4 better: dual G4s or a single G5? Now that benchmarks are starting to come out, maybe somebody can chime in. Of course, I'd fill either one up with RAM, but I can't afford the 4GB RAM max of the G5, so the 2GB limit of the G4 is fine. Also, there is something to be said for the proven stability of the G4 vs the unproven potential quirkiness of the G5. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

September 15th, 2003, 07:40 PM	#1002
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Jaime, I would choose the G5 for its longevity and potential future residual value. The G5 is clearly going to be Apple's target platform for the foreseeable future. The professional products such as FCP and DVD SP will soon be optimized specifically to take advantage of the G5's new capabilities. Ignore performance benchmarks against current configurations. They're irrelevant, noisy distractions for the myopic buyer. The G5 single processor will more than keep you busy and happy. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

September 15th, 2003, 08:05 PM	#1003
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	If you are just doing the one project and you are starting now, then I'd get the G4. However, Panther (OS 10.3) is due in a month or so. The G5's will start to fly when Panther is released. Apple had to come up with a temporary OS (10.2.7) only for the G5's. That's why they are a little less stable. They are really optimized for Panther. If your project doesn't start for several months, get the G5. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 15th, 2003, 08:11 PM	#1004
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Check the menus for timecode. You may have to set it for FireWire. Some TC is through an external connection, some is on the vertical interval. It should be in the manual. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 15th, 2003, 08:15 PM	#1005
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Duals aren't shipping yet. I've heard a rumor they may wait until Panther ships. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors