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Robert Bale · March 4th, 2009, 02:56 AM

Hey, i have made a bid booboo, i have just finished a movie, and some how deleted the Dam folder that contained all the video clips from my ex3. now i have tried a data recovery app, Data Rescue, it has found all the small files, but i have a few long takes 3 to 4 gig in size, and it seems to skip over them, so is there any other app that will find large QT files. (I live in hope),
Rob.

Brian David Melnyk · March 4th, 2009, 03:24 AM

you could try to reconnect with media manager, or start 'fresh' and reload the media and then reconnect (maybe less buggy)...

Robert Bale · March 4th, 2009, 05:58 AM

Sorry,

All the clips have been deleted, sent to trash, and trash was emptied.

Simon Denny · March 4th, 2009, 06:02 AM

What happens now? do you still have them on card.

Robert Lane · March 4th, 2009, 12:20 PM

Tech Tool Pro *might* be able to recover the data but unlikely. Your best bet is to re-injest the original footage.

Robert Bale · March 4th, 2009, 02:59 PM

all the cards were re used for another project,
i have t try and recover the deleted files, ??????

Glenn Fisher · March 4th, 2009, 07:27 PM

If you want to recover the files, your best bet would be to stop everything that you're doing right now. Do NOT move around big files, because that can overwrite the data you're trying to recover.

If Data Rescue didn't recover your files, then my guess is that you're out of luck. Data Rescue is one of the better data recovery applications on the Mac, so if you can't recover it, then I think you lost your data.

Sorry, but it sounds like the sad truth is that you're just out of luck.

Jason Livingston · March 4th, 2009, 07:47 PM

When you delete a file, the actual data is still there at first, but the space is marked as available for use. If you immediately shut the system down and remove the hard drive, there is some hope for recovery by plugging the drive into another machine with recovery software installed. If you don't do this immediately, then any writes to the drive may overwrite the data.

If you installed recovery software on the same disk that you were hoping to recover files from, it's likely that the act of writing the recovery software files to the disk has overwritten at least some of the data that you were hoping to recover.

Your best bet at this point would be a pro recovery service but it will be very expensive and the results depend on how much was overwritten.

Andy Mees · March 4th, 2009, 10:42 PM

Nobody in their right mind reuses source media before an ongoing project is completed unless the data has been backed up ... including you too in future. Do you not have any king of backup system in place at all? How about Time Machine? Were the files originally delivered on any kind of intermediate device, another hard drive perhaps? How about interim builds of your project? Have you created any self contained quicktime movies along the way that may have contained essential parts of the original media that you can rescue some shots from?

If this turn of events represents more than just a harsh reminder of best practices then you might want to try AeroQuartet's movie repair service ... start by downloading the "Treasured" test app. Ultimately though it sounds like you need to do a low level data scrape. I hope you quarantined that drive ...

Treasured • Download

Brian David Melnyk · March 5th, 2009, 03:05 AM

ouch. the phrase that always runs through my mind is: 'if you don't have it in two (or more) places, you don't have it at all.'
i sincerely wish you luck. i remember losing my video thesis project in fine arts when i pressed 'save' on an amiga, the whole thing locked up, i could only restart, and all my edits were lost. this was at 5 am, after working all night, and it was due that day. i actually fell to my knees and did the 'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!' from every cheesy movie you've ever seen... one of the best lessons i learned...

Nate Benson · March 5th, 2009, 07:38 AM

and to think, in elementary school they had those signs above every computer that said 'save often'

if you do video editing and aren't backing up, you shouldn't be too upset when your data gets lost. This also speaks volumes about why tape is still the superior method of recording.
While I can't offer a solution for you, I can offer my condolences, it's happened to me ( and probably 90% of us here) at some point or another.

Brian David Melnyk · March 6th, 2009, 12:42 AM

there were no computers when i was in elementary school. and we had to put stamps on our mail... (mmmmm: licking glue!). and people actually LIKED feathered hair!!!!!
wow, suddenly i'm old.

Shaun Roemich · March 6th, 2009, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian David Melnyk

i remember losing my video thesis project in fine arts when i pressed 'save' on an amiga, the whole thing locked up, i could only restart, and all my edits were lost. this was at 5 am, after working all night, and it was due that day. i actually fell to my knees and did the 'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!' from every cheesy movie you've ever seen... one of the best lessons i learned...

I actually do incremental saves to avoid this exact thing. Any major edit gets an incremental number increase, partly so I can revert to a previous version if I really mess stuff up, partly to avoid overwriting a project file and having the system crash.

Shaun's Video Project v1.0
Shaun's Video Project v1.1
Shaun's Video Project v2.0 (MAJOR changes and/or clients have viewed and made commentary)

Robert Bale · March 28th, 2009, 07:53 PM

Thank for the help so far. I have back 98% of what i lost :-) Now i have a 2 gig QT File that will not open, i used a app called File Juicer √√√√

File Juicer - Extract images from PDF, PowerPoint, Word, Excel and other Files on Mac OS X

that lets you sort of open the file, it converts it t a mpg video file. no sound but, and i can see most of the video. It seem to me that the header of the qt file is damaged. So my question who know of any one out there that can try to repair the Qt header, i have found so info on it but you need to no about java, and i do not. So any help would be great, I will be happy to burn the qt file on to a dvd and post it to any one that wants to have a go.
i found these 2 links,

web3null: how to fix a broken quicktime mov file

web3null: how to fix a broken quicktime mov file

Rob.,

Dean Sensui · March 30th, 2009, 02:03 AM

Rob...

Just a helpful suggestion: Keep backups of your original camera files. It will allow you to fall back to something in case your working drive goes bad or something else fails.

We read about files being lost on hard drives all the time on this board. The suggested recovery processes are terribly expensive. And the best way to prevent a catastrophe is simple and not too costly: Keep backups.

March 4th, 2009, 02:56 AM	#1
Robert Bale Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: australia Posts: 407	hELP!!! Hey, i have made a bid booboo, i have just finished a movie, and some how deleted the Dam folder that contained all the video clips from my ex3. now i have tried a data recovery app, Data Rescue, it has found all the small files, but i have a few long takes 3 to 4 gig in size, and it seems to skip over them, so is there any other app that will find large QT files. (I live in hope), Rob. __________________ Rob. www.rpbproductions.com robert@rpbproductions.com HD101/G5 Mac/4gig Ram/1TB HDD/30" Cinema Display/FCP.

March 4th, 2009, 05:58 AM	#3
Robert Bale Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: australia Posts: 407	Sorry, All the clips have been deleted, sent to trash, and trash was emptied. __________________ Rob. www.rpbproductions.com robert@rpbproductions.com HD101/G5 Mac/4gig Ram/1TB HDD/30" Cinema Display/FCP.

March 4th, 2009, 02:59 PM	#6
Robert Bale Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: australia Posts: 407	all the cards were re used for another project, i have t try and recover the deleted files, ?????? __________________ Rob. www.rpbproductions.com robert@rpbproductions.com HD101/G5 Mac/4gig Ram/1TB HDD/30" Cinema Display/FCP.

March 28th, 2009, 07:53 PM	#14
Robert Bale Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: australia Posts: 407	Thank for the help so far. I have back 98% of what i lost :-) Now i have a 2 gig QT File that will not open, i used a app called File Juicer √√√√ File Juicer - Extract images from PDF, PowerPoint, Word, Excel and other Files on Mac OS X that lets you sort of open the file, it converts it t a mpg video file. no sound but, and i can see most of the video. It seem to me that the header of the qt file is damaged. So my question who know of any one out there that can try to repair the Qt header, i have found so info on it but you need to no about java, and i do not. So any help would be great, I will be happy to burn the qt file on to a dvd and post it to any one that wants to have a go. i found these 2 links, web3null: how to fix a broken quicktime mov file web3null: how to fix a broken quicktime mov file Rob., __________________ Rob. www.rpbproductions.com robert@rpbproductions.com HD101/G5 Mac/4gig Ram/1TB HDD/30" Cinema Display/FCP.

March 30th, 2009, 02:03 AM	#15
Dean Sensui Inner Circle Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 2,054	Rob... Just a helpful suggestion: Keep backups of your original camera files. It will allow you to fall back to something in case your working drive goes bad or something else fails. We read about files being lost on hard drives all the time on this board. The suggested recovery processes are terribly expensive. And the best way to prevent a catastrophe is simple and not too costly: Keep backups. __________________ Dean Sensui Exec Producer, Hawaii Goes Fishing

March 4th, 2009, 03:24 AM	#2
Brian David Melnyk Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Winnipeg Canada Posts: 532	you could try to reconnect with media manager, or start 'fresh' and reload the media and then reconnect (maybe less buggy)...

March 4th, 2009, 06:02 AM	#4
Simon Denny Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,409	What happens now? do you still have them on card.

March 4th, 2009, 12:20 PM	#5
Robert Lane Go Go Godzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Posts: 2,823 Images: 15	Tech Tool Pro might be able to recover the data but unlikely. Your best bet is to re-injest the original footage.

March 4th, 2009, 07:27 PM	#7
Glenn Fisher Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bridgewater, NJ Posts: 65	If you want to recover the files, your best bet would be to stop everything that you're doing right now. Do NOT move around big files, because that can overwrite the data you're trying to recover. If Data Rescue didn't recover your files, then my guess is that you're out of luck. Data Rescue is one of the better data recovery applications on the Mac, so if you can't recover it, then I think you lost your data. Sorry, but it sounds like the sad truth is that you're just out of luck.

March 4th, 2009, 07:47 PM	#8
Jason Livingston Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 71	When you delete a file, the actual data is still there at first, but the space is marked as available for use. If you immediately shut the system down and remove the hard drive, there is some hope for recovery by plugging the drive into another machine with recovery software installed. If you don't do this immediately, then any writes to the drive may overwrite the data. If you installed recovery software on the same disk that you were hoping to recover files from, it's likely that the act of writing the recovery software files to the disk has overwritten at least some of the data that you were hoping to recover. Your best bet at this point would be a pro recovery service but it will be very expensive and the results depend on how much was overwritten.

March 4th, 2009, 10:42 PM	#9
Andy Mees Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 645	Nobody in their right mind reuses source media before an ongoing project is completed unless the data has been backed up ... including you too in future. Do you not have any king of backup system in place at all? How about Time Machine? Were the files originally delivered on any kind of intermediate device, another hard drive perhaps? How about interim builds of your project? Have you created any self contained quicktime movies along the way that may have contained essential parts of the original media that you can rescue some shots from? If this turn of events represents more than just a harsh reminder of best practices then you might want to try AeroQuartet's movie repair service ... start by downloading the "Treasured" test app. Ultimately though it sounds like you need to do a low level data scrape. I hope you quarantined that drive ... Treasured • Download

March 5th, 2009, 03:05 AM	#10
Brian David Melnyk Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Winnipeg Canada Posts: 532	ouch. the phrase that always runs through my mind is: 'if you don't have it in two (or more) places, you don't have it at all.' i sincerely wish you luck. i remember losing my video thesis project in fine arts when i pressed 'save' on an amiga, the whole thing locked up, i could only restart, and all my edits were lost. this was at 5 am, after working all night, and it was due that day. i actually fell to my knees and did the 'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!' from every cheesy movie you've ever seen... one of the best lessons i learned...

March 5th, 2009, 07:38 AM	#11
Nate Benson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Buffalo, New York Posts: 157	and to think, in elementary school they had those signs above every computer that said 'save often' if you do video editing and aren't backing up, you shouldn't be too upset when your data gets lost. This also speaks volumes about why tape is still the superior method of recording. While I can't offer a solution for you, I can offer my condolences, it's happened to me ( and probably 90% of us here) at some point or another.

March 6th, 2009, 12:42 AM	#12
Brian David Melnyk Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Winnipeg Canada Posts: 532	there were no computers when i was in elementary school. and we had to put stamps on our mail... (mmmmm: licking glue!). and people actually LIKED feathered hair!!!!! wow, suddenly i'm old.