Moving from Vegas to FCP and SCARED at DVinfo.net

Oliver Darden · December 8th, 2008, 01:15 AM

I am making the change from Vegas Video to FCP and was wondering if anyone had any links, tips or know of any posts, articles, blogs etc etc that could help me get started. I heard the transition is pretty rough.

ANYTHING that might help would be greatly appreciated.

I did buy a book called "The Filmmakers Guild to Final Cut Pro Workflow" so I will be reading that as well.

Thanks!

Christopher Drews · December 8th, 2008, 01:53 AM

I'd suggest getting the FCP keyboard. They're made by Bella I believe. When I moved from Avid to FCP, the keyboard was essential. You just have to look down at the keys to see which command and if you don't know, open up keyboard config in FCP. It will tell you the command (or keep the manual handy- command keys)

NLE's are virtually the same and based on the principles (edit footage in bin, move to source window, edit on timeline, compress/output). It's the commands and interface that are different. FCP is much more user friendly than an Avid and I didn't have a problem switching two years ago. You won't either. Get acquainted when it doesn't count (ie - don't edit client work on FCP until you get some chops and can output).

Hope this helps,
-C

Simon Denny · December 8th, 2008, 02:45 AM

Go for it man,
I used vegas for years and have just gone to FCS2. The way you edit is not the same as Vegas but in a day or two you will be zipping around.
One of the things I miss about Vegas.
Being able to still work on the time line as the playhead is playing.
It seems with FCP you have to select a tool then do your edit or what ever but with Vegas your tool was allways in the mouse head, arrow.

FCP is great so get learning.

Cheers

Andy Wilkinson · December 8th, 2008, 03:13 AM

Well I did it a few months ago and yes at first it seemed daunting (as Vegas is SO user friendly) but you'll get there and now there are things I like better (and some I still miss - but I still do the odd project in Vegas just to 'keep my hand in').

Best tip for a beginner is to watch the official Apple video tutorials on FCS2 (just Google it for a link) and then watch some unofficial ones.

Edit: adding link for you http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/tutorials/

Start with a fairly simple short project and follow the workflow all the way through and most of all have fun trying things out. Just remember, cmd z gives you a last action undo.

Oliver Darden · December 8th, 2008, 04:24 AM

Ya the FCP keyboard is a great idea, I will get one for sure.

NICE Andy I will check out those videos out tonight!

Thanks for the encouragement ev1!

Noah Kadner · December 8th, 2008, 10:03 AM

Any particular cameras you'll be working with. Basic FCP editing is pretty easy, the challenges come in workflow for a particular camera or methodology. Also I recommend this KBCovers because they're cheap, reversible and make you look like a cool person:

Final Cut

Noah

Oliver Darden · December 8th, 2008, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noah Kadner

Any particular cameras you'll be working with. Basic FCP editing is pretty easy, the challenges come in workflow for a particular camera or methodology.

I will be using the Canon XH A1 so it will be HDV footage.

Hey those covers look cool, I will check those out, thanks.

Dick Campbell · December 8th, 2008, 03:13 PM

I found the Apple Pro Training Series with DVD tutorial an excellent resource to transition from a different editor. So goog, I later bought a couple others (Soundtrack Pro, Motion and Color).

I also use a kybd cover - very helpful

Simon Wyndham · December 11th, 2008, 05:20 PM

I went through the same transition. There is a bit of a learning curve, but now that I am used to FCP I actually prefer it to Vegas.

If you really want a great reference to using FCP from scratch you couldn't do better than to get some of the Ripple Training series. They are absolutely superb and got me up to speed pretty fast.

Scott Brickert · January 6th, 2009, 10:49 PM

Are you sure you need to do the switch? I find it anachronistic compared to Vegas.

In any case, I added FCP to my toolbox this summer. 40 hours working through the Apple Training Series FCP book was enough to get me Level 1 Certified.

I have a stack of the other books for FCS2. Aiming for 1/month this winter.

Giddyup. Yeehaw.

Also, watch out for long projects in HDV. Consider transcoding to AIC or ProRes or Cineform.

December 8th, 2008, 01:15 AM	#1
Oliver Darden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 522	Moving from Vegas to FCP and SCARED I am making the change from Vegas Video to FCP and was wondering if anyone had any links, tips or know of any posts, articles, blogs etc etc that could help me get started. I heard the transition is pretty rough. ANYTHING that might help would be greatly appreciated. I did buy a book called "The Filmmakers Guild to Final Cut Pro Workflow" so I will be reading that as well. Thanks!

December 8th, 2008, 03:13 AM	#4
Andy Wilkinson Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 2,853	Well I did it a few months ago and yes at first it seemed daunting (as Vegas is SO user friendly) but you'll get there and now there are things I like better (and some I still miss - but I still do the odd project in Vegas just to 'keep my hand in'). Best tip for a beginner is to watch the official Apple video tutorials on FCS2 (just Google it for a link) and then watch some unofficial ones. Edit: adding link for you http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/tutorials/ Start with a fairly simple short project and follow the workflow all the way through and most of all have fun trying things out. Just remember, cmd z gives you a last action undo. __________________ Andy K Wilkinson - https://www.shootingimage.co.uk Cambridge (UK) Corporate Video Production

January 6th, 2009, 10:49 PM	#10
Scott Brickert Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Crested Butte, CO Posts: 576	Are you sure you need to do the switch? I find it anachronistic compared to Vegas. In any case, I added FCP to my toolbox this summer. 40 hours working through the Apple Training Series FCP book was enough to get me Level 1 Certified. I have a stack of the other books for FCS2. Aiming for 1/month this winter. Giddyup. Yeehaw. Also, watch out for long projects in HDV. Consider transcoding to AIC or ProRes or Cineform. __________________ Scott Shot-By-Scott

December 8th, 2008, 01:53 AM	#2
Christopher Drews Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 628	I'd suggest getting the FCP keyboard. They're made by Bella I believe. When I moved from Avid to FCP, the keyboard was essential. You just have to look down at the keys to see which command and if you don't know, open up keyboard config in FCP. It will tell you the command (or keep the manual handy- command keys) NLE's are virtually the same and based on the principles (edit footage in bin, move to source window, edit on timeline, compress/output). It's the commands and interface that are different. FCP is much more user friendly than an Avid and I didn't have a problem switching two years ago. You won't either. Get acquainted when it doesn't count (ie - don't edit client work on FCP until you get some chops and can output). Hope this helps, -C

December 8th, 2008, 02:45 AM	#3
Simon Denny Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,409	Go for it man, I used vegas for years and have just gone to FCS2. The way you edit is not the same as Vegas but in a day or two you will be zipping around. One of the things I miss about Vegas. Being able to still work on the time line as the playhead is playing. It seems with FCP you have to select a tool then do your edit or what ever but with Vegas your tool was allways in the mouse head, arrow. FCP is great so get learning. Cheers

December 8th, 2008, 04:24 AM	#5
Oliver Darden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 522	Ya the FCP keyboard is a great idea, I will get one for sure. NICE Andy I will check out those videos out tonight! Thanks for the encouragement ev1!

December 8th, 2008, 10:03 AM	#6
Noah Kadner Better than Halle Berry Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 435	Any particular cameras you'll be working with. Basic FCP editing is pretty easy, the challenges come in workflow for a particular camera or methodology. Also I recommend this KBCovers because they're cheap, reversible and make you look like a cool person: Final Cut Noah

December 8th, 2008, 03:13 PM	#8
Dick Campbell Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 117	I found the Apple Pro Training Series with DVD tutorial an excellent resource to transition from a different editor. So goog, I later bought a couple others (Soundtrack Pro, Motion and Color). I also use a kybd cover - very helpful

December 11th, 2008, 05:20 PM	#9
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	I went through the same transition. There is a bit of a learning curve, but now that I am used to FCP I actually prefer it to Vegas. If you really want a great reference to using FCP from scratch you couldn't do better than to get some of the Ripple Training series. They are absolutely superb and got me up to speed pretty fast.