M2t file => prores 422 on mac. And on PC ? at DVinfo.net

Fabrice Hoffmann · August 2nd, 2008, 02:42 AM

Hello everybody,

I start to shoot concerts that i will later sell to the musiciens to do their own editing. I will tell the mac people who use final cut to use mpegstreamclip to convert the files to prores 422.

But for the people who work with Premiere or something eslse on mac, which format can i tell them to use ?

And for the PC ones, in which format to convert, using mpegstreamclip ?

Thanks.

Giroud Francois · August 2nd, 2008, 04:31 AM

why convert ?
let them choose the format they need. M2T is almost universal today and is the most compact for distribution. (20 minutes will fit on DVD, 2 hours on a 25gig blu-ray).
you can even just make a copy from tape to tape without loss.
ideally you shoot with tape+hard disk device, you gave them the tape , you keep the copy on disk.

Fabrice Hoffmann · August 2nd, 2008, 05:02 AM

I don't want to convert for them, i want to advise them which format can be good fo them. Because they are not editors, they are musiciens. Perhaps some of them had experience with dv, but few with hdv.

That's why i will give them m2t files on dvd because they won't have a camera like mine to make the acquisition of 720p/50. But i want to tell them a little bit the way they can do things.

For the hard disk device, i will probably buy a nNovia QCHD Deck this week.

Kevin Shaw · August 2nd, 2008, 06:15 AM

What format to use will depend on their editing software. Some work on the native HDV files directly, some have a system for converting to another editing format, and some have both. For Premiere users the optional "Cneform" solution is a good choice, but it costs a few hundred for that software.

Bill Ravens · August 2nd, 2008, 06:52 AM

there's several hi-quality, multi-platform codecs available:
cineform
sheer video

are 2 that come to mind

Fabrice Hoffmann · August 2nd, 2008, 07:08 AM

Is there something interesting and "standard" (like AIC or prores 422 (also this one is not standard and come with final cut) on pc, that can be used without paying extra codec (like cineform &sheer video, if i understand well).

I don't know if the people who will do the edit will be professionel or not.

Dennis Robinson · August 2nd, 2008, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabrice Hoffmann

I don't want to convert for them, i want to advise them which format can be good fo them. Because they are not editors, they are musiciens. Perhaps some of them had experience with dv, but few with hdv.

.

Do you think editing is so easy anyone can do it?

Tup Wright · August 2nd, 2008, 11:44 PM

HuffYUV and Lagarith are both very good lossless codecs for the PC.

www.free-codecs.com

Tim Dashwood · August 3rd, 2008, 12:20 AM

I downloaded and installed the trial of the latest Premiere for Mac and found that it didn't recognize m2t! Anyone else had the same issue?

The prores422 codec is only installed on a system with FCS2. I'm not sure about AIC (because I think iMovie uses AIC) but it may also require FCP 5 or newer for the codec to be installed.

The best cross-platform codecs for quicktime that work in all applications (PC & Mac) are Motion Jpeg A or B and Photo Jpeg.

Giroud Francois · August 3rd, 2008, 01:25 AM

trial version of premiere does not include HD.

Abdulla Nadym · August 3rd, 2008, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tup Wright

HuffYUV and Lagarith are both very good lossless codecs for the PC.

www.free-codecs.com

thanks for the help, i did isntall both these codecs, how do i utilize them, in the sense, through vegas? AE? QT? thanks again

Fabrice Hoffmann · August 4th, 2008, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Robinson

Do you think editing is so easy anyone can do it?

I don't think so. And if they wan't to hire me for doing this job, great. But if they think they can do it by their own, i just want to be sure, they start well.

Fabrice Hoffmann · August 4th, 2008, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

The best cross-platform codecs for quicktime that work in all applications (PC & Mac) are Motion Jpeg A or B and Photo Jpeg.

I was using Motion Jpeg A before prores 422 came. But i was not sure it was available on quicktime's pc version.

Thanks.

Abdulla Nadym · August 4th, 2008, 11:34 AM

so if one even aquires video over usb to a format like mxf files from the Sony EX1, its much better to convert thse mxf files to a 10bit 422 YUV color space video if one needs to do extensive color correction so that there is no banding and that tweaking with secondary color correction yeilds better smoother deeper results, and ultimately the final output on DVD looks more hollywood like which obviously everyone wants, right??

August 2nd, 2008, 02:42 AM	#1
Fabrice Hoffmann Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Grenoble - France / Figueres - Spain Posts: 61	M2t file => prores 422 on mac. And on PC ? Hello everybody, I start to shoot concerts that i will later sell to the musiciens to do their own editing. I will tell the mac people who use final cut to use mpegstreamclip to convert the files to prores 422. But for the people who work with Premiere or something eslse on mac, which format can i tell them to use ? And for the PC ones, in which format to convert, using mpegstreamclip ? Thanks. __________________ _______________________ www.fabrice-hoffmann.com

August 2nd, 2008, 05:02 AM	#3
Fabrice Hoffmann Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Grenoble - France / Figueres - Spain Posts: 61	I don't want to convert for them, i want to advise them which format can be good fo them. Because they are not editors, they are musiciens. Perhaps some of them had experience with dv, but few with hdv. That's why i will give them m2t files on dvd because they won't have a camera like mine to make the acquisition of 720p/50. But i want to tell them a little bit the way they can do things. For the hard disk device, i will probably buy a nNovia QCHD Deck this week. __________________ _______________________ www.fabrice-hoffmann.com

August 2nd, 2008, 07:08 AM	#6
Fabrice Hoffmann Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Grenoble - France / Figueres - Spain Posts: 61	Is there something interesting and "standard" (like AIC or prores 422 (also this one is not standard and come with final cut) on pc, that can be used without paying extra codec (like cineform &sheer video, if i understand well). I don't know if the people who will do the edit will be professionel or not. __________________ _______________________ www.fabrice-hoffmann.com

August 3rd, 2008, 12:20 AM	#9
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	I downloaded and installed the trial of the latest Premiere for Mac and found that it didn't recognize m2t! Anyone else had the same issue? The prores422 codec is only installed on a system with FCS2. I'm not sure about AIC (because I think iMovie uses AIC) but it may also require FCP 5 or newer for the codec to be installed. The best cross-platform codecs for quicktime that work in all applications (PC & Mac) are Motion Jpeg A or B and Photo Jpeg. __________________ Tim Dashwood

August 4th, 2008, 11:34 AM	#14
Abdulla Nadym New Boot Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Maale Maldives Posts: 18	processing 422 on mac & pc so if one even aquires video over usb to a format like mxf files from the Sony EX1, its much better to convert thse mxf files to a 10bit 422 YUV color space video if one needs to do extensive color correction so that there is no banding and that tweaking with secondary color correction yeilds better smoother deeper results, and ultimately the final output on DVD looks more hollywood like which obviously everyone wants, right??

August 2nd, 2008, 04:31 AM	#2
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	why convert ? let them choose the format they need. M2T is almost universal today and is the most compact for distribution. (20 minutes will fit on DVD, 2 hours on a 25gig blu-ray). you can even just make a copy from tape to tape without loss. ideally you shoot with tape+hard disk device, you gave them the tape , you keep the copy on disk.

August 2nd, 2008, 06:15 AM	#4
Kevin Shaw Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,488	What format to use will depend on their editing software. Some work on the native HDV files directly, some have a system for converting to another editing format, and some have both. For Premiere users the optional "Cneform" solution is a good choice, but it costs a few hundred for that software.

August 2nd, 2008, 06:52 AM	#5
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	there's several hi-quality, multi-platform codecs available: cineform sheer video are 2 that come to mind

August 2nd, 2008, 11:44 PM	#8
Tup Wright Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Seattle, WA USA Posts: 83	HuffYUV and Lagarith are both very good lossless codecs for the PC. www.free-codecs.com

August 3rd, 2008, 01:25 AM	#10
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	trial version of premiere does not include HD.