how compositing with FCS2 ? at DVinfo.net

Sebastien Thomas · March 21st, 2008, 01:12 PM

Before FCS2, the solution for compositing was aftereffect or shake. What is the official way now ?
Is motion the solution ?
Is it in Color ?

Is is still a better solution to use AE ?

I need to remove some landscapes through a window, for example, and don't know what is the best way for me, nowing I have a good experience with Color, and fewer with Motion.

Thanks.

Dan Brockett · March 21st, 2008, 02:49 PM

Hi Sebastien:

Please take a look at the fourth clip down on this page. I did and was blown away but how good this key looked. Getting a clean edge is something any good keyer can do. But getting your subject to match an environment without being a compositing wizard? Very tough. I am going to try this software.

http://www.dvgarage.com/prod/prod.ph...p3&sub=samples

Dan

Steve Oakley · March 21st, 2008, 10:19 PM

color is NOT a compositior.

motion is a medicore compositor at best. - with some BIG BUGs - like when you send clips to motion, they loose TC and reel data. if you ever need to reload clips sent to motion from the FCP TL, your totally screwed.

AE is a somewhat better compositor

Shake and combustion kick a$$ for VFX compositing.

there is no "official" way, only what works best. use the right tool for the job and thats about it.

the next question is , are you dealing with lock off shots ( easy ) or moving shots ? if you have moving shots its Monet or mocha for tracking, then composite in AE / combustion / shake.

Martin Pauly · March 24th, 2008, 12:54 PM

There's a trial version of Shake available. As Steve said, it's a very powerful program - be prepared for a steep learning curve.

If you want to try Shake, don't install the trial and just play with it, hoping to like what you find. Instead, get a good book or watch the lynda.com tutorial videos, and then use the trial version to follow the training.

- Martin

Mike Barber · March 24th, 2008, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pauly

If you want to try Shake, don't install the trial and just play with it, hoping to like what you find. Instead, get a good book or watch the lynda.com tutorial videos, and then use the trial version to follow the training.

Martin's advice is sound. Shake is not like any other app you've worked with. The Apple Pro series of books from Peachpit Press are excellent.

March 21st, 2008, 01:12 PM	#1
Sebastien Thomas Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Paris, France Posts: 210	how compositing with FCS2 ? Before FCS2, the solution for compositing was aftereffect or shake. What is the official way now ? Is motion the solution ? Is it in Color ? Is is still a better solution to use AE ? I need to remove some landscapes through a window, for example, and don't know what is the best way for me, nowing I have a good experience with Color, and fewer with Motion. Thanks.

March 21st, 2008, 02:49 PM	#2
Dan Brockett Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,109	Try this Hi Sebastien: Please take a look at the fourth clip down on this page. I did and was blown away but how good this key looked. Getting a clean edge is something any good keyer can do. But getting your subject to match an environment without being a compositing wizard? Very tough. I am going to try this software. http://www.dvgarage.com/prod/prod.ph...p3&sub=samples Dan

March 24th, 2008, 12:54 PM	#4
Martin Pauly Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 563	There's a trial version of Shake available. As Steve said, it's a very powerful program - be prepared for a steep learning curve. If you want to try Shake, don't install the trial and just play with it, hoping to like what you find. Instead, get a good book or watch the lynda.com tutorial videos, and then use the trial version to follow the training. - Martin __________________ Martin Pauly

March 21st, 2008, 10:19 PM	#3
Steve Oakley Trustee Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1,158	color is NOT a compositior. motion is a medicore compositor at best. - with some BIG BUGs - like when you send clips to motion, they loose TC and reel data. if you ever need to reload clips sent to motion from the FCP TL, your totally screwed. AE is a somewhat better compositor Shake and combustion kick a$$ for VFX compositing. there is no "official" way, only what works best. use the right tool for the job and thats about it. the next question is , are you dealing with lock off shots ( easy ) or moving shots ? if you have moving shots its Monet or mocha for tracking, then composite in AE / combustion / shake.