HDV and Batch Capture at DVinfo.net

Matthew Pugerude · February 14th, 2008, 12:27 PM

I have Final Cut Studio 2 on Leopard with all the latest updates on a Mac Pro 8 core with 6 gig's of Ram. I had some footage that was logged manually on to a piece of paper ( Don't laugh I just did not feel like sitting in front of my computer).

So when it came time to get to work I logged all the footage into FCP and made my clips in the bin with all the right log names and file names. I then set up a Batch capture but FCP would search to the right spot but then it would just keep backing up the tape and then search again. Now here is the weird thing it did capture some of the tapes but not all of them. The ones that did capture were ones that were recorded in regen timecode but the ones that I always had problems with were the ones with preset timecode.

Things I have tried
Changed Firewires
Changed Firewire ports
Changed camera's

David McGiffert · February 14th, 2008, 12:33 PM

Matthew,

Have you tried just capturing the whole tape using the 'capture now'
button? Then discard the clips that aren't on your list.
If this is HDV footage, I think that's the only way you can capture.

But there are other minds on here that may know better.

all the best,

David

Andrew Kimery · February 14th, 2008, 02:28 PM

Do the clips have enough pre-roll? I think the default setting in FCP is 5 seconds.

-A

Benjamin Eckstein · February 14th, 2008, 02:37 PM

Matthew,
This is something I ran into when I started editing HDV. Nothing is wrong with your gear. I work with a producer who paper edits and I used to just type in her logs and batch capture. With DV that was all hunky dory but it just doesn't work with HDV. I think it has to do with pre-roll because some clips would capture if the section was in the middle of a recorded section. In the end I would either just manually go to the shot and press play then hit capture now (which is kind of annoying) or just capture the whole tape.

BE

Matthew Pugerude · February 15th, 2008, 10:00 PM

Benjamin
I could accept your response if none of the tapes captured with the batch capture function but that is not the case. So I think it had to do with the function of splitting the clip on record breaks. I thought I disabled it but I must not have done it right can someone tell me how to do it?

Andrew there was plenty of pre-roll in the tapes I mean like 30 minutes of pre-roll. That is why I think the split on record break is the problem.

Matt

Steve Oakley · February 17th, 2008, 12:49 PM

are you tapes 24P ? specifically JVC 720 24P ?

why?

because FCP has a BAD BAD TC BUG - it sees 24fps TC as 30 !

if you have any I or O points greater then 23 frames, FCP will try to cue the deck and never find the frame because its not really there. it can't find frame 26. what is going on is that after frame 10, FCP starts adding frames to the actual frame number so that frame 23=29, 22=26 and so on. problem is this same kulge doesn't get applied when prerolling or incrementing by frame to cue up for capture. talk about dumb stupid wrong.

Brett Sherman · March 3rd, 2008, 11:11 AM

This is typical for some HDV decks (the lower end Sony ones). The same thing happens with my M15U. It's a hardware problem not a software problem

The fix is to go into the HDV deck menu and change the FF/REW speed to "ShuttleMax" instead of FF/REW. It takes longer to cue up the tape, but it'll find the locations.

Matthew Pugerude · March 3rd, 2008, 11:38 AM

Thank you Brett. I am using a consumer camera to do capturing any ideas on what to do about that. I really don't think that the camera that I am using (canon HV10) has that function. But I will look into it.

Matt

February 14th, 2008, 12:27 PM	#1
Matthew Pugerude Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Redmond, Oregon Posts: 173	HDV and Batch Capture I have Final Cut Studio 2 on Leopard with all the latest updates on a Mac Pro 8 core with 6 gig's of Ram. I had some footage that was logged manually on to a piece of paper ( Don't laugh I just did not feel like sitting in front of my computer). So when it came time to get to work I logged all the footage into FCP and made my clips in the bin with all the right log names and file names. I then set up a Batch capture but FCP would search to the right spot but then it would just keep backing up the tape and then search again. Now here is the weird thing it did capture some of the tapes but not all of them. The ones that did capture were ones that were recorded in regen timecode but the ones that I always had problems with were the ones with preset timecode. Things I have tried Changed Firewires Changed Firewire ports Changed camera's

March 3rd, 2008, 11:38 AM	#8
Matthew Pugerude Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Redmond, Oregon Posts: 173	Thanks Thank you Brett. I am using a consumer camera to do capturing any ideas on what to do about that. I really don't think that the camera that I am using (canon HV10) has that function. But I will look into it. Matt

February 14th, 2008, 12:33 PM	#2
David McGiffert Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Topanga, CA Posts: 139	Matthew, Have you tried just capturing the whole tape using the 'capture now' button? Then discard the clips that aren't on your list. If this is HDV footage, I think that's the only way you can capture. But there are other minds on here that may know better. all the best, David

February 14th, 2008, 02:28 PM	#3
Andrew Kimery Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 352	Do the clips have enough pre-roll? I think the default setting in FCP is 5 seconds. -A

February 14th, 2008, 02:37 PM	#4
Benjamin Eckstein Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 380 Images: 1	Matthew, This is something I ran into when I started editing HDV. Nothing is wrong with your gear. I work with a producer who paper edits and I used to just type in her logs and batch capture. With DV that was all hunky dory but it just doesn't work with HDV. I think it has to do with pre-roll because some clips would capture if the section was in the middle of a recorded section. In the end I would either just manually go to the shot and press play then hit capture now (which is kind of annoying) or just capture the whole tape. BE

February 15th, 2008, 10:00 PM	#5
Matthew Pugerude Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Redmond, Oregon Posts: 173	Benjamin I could accept your response if none of the tapes captured with the batch capture function but that is not the case. So I think it had to do with the function of splitting the clip on record breaks. I thought I disabled it but I must not have done it right can someone tell me how to do it? Andrew there was plenty of pre-roll in the tapes I mean like 30 minutes of pre-roll. That is why I think the split on record break is the problem. Matt

February 17th, 2008, 12:49 PM	#6
Steve Oakley Trustee Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1,158	are you tapes 24P ? specifically JVC 720 24P ? why? because FCP has a BAD BAD TC BUG - it sees 24fps TC as 30 ! if you have any I or O points greater then 23 frames, FCP will try to cue the deck and never find the frame because its not really there. it can't find frame 26. what is going on is that after frame 10, FCP starts adding frames to the actual frame number so that frame 23=29, 22=26 and so on. problem is this same kulge doesn't get applied when prerolling or incrementing by frame to cue up for capture. talk about dumb stupid wrong.

March 3rd, 2008, 11:11 AM	#7
Brett Sherman Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mount Rainier, MD Posts: 428	This is typical for some HDV decks (the lower end Sony ones). The same thing happens with my M15U. It's a hardware problem not a software problem The fix is to go into the HDV deck menu and change the FF/REW speed to "ShuttleMax" instead of FF/REW. It takes longer to cue up the tape, but it'll find the locations.