The G5 Apple and HD10 at DVinfo.net

Heath McKnight · June 23rd, 2003, 06:28 PM

I can only wonder how editing will go with the HD10 on a new G5.

heath

Michael Pappas · June 23rd, 2003, 06:34 PM

Anyone know when it will be supported? I would like to know the path one needs to take to convert a clip to anamation codec to I can to comp work with it.

I had an idea with the HD10U I would love to see; put on an Anamorphic adapter on the HD10 and squeeze in more image and the results since the camera is 1:77:1 will be 2:35:1 too. Now I can't wait to see that!

Michael Pappas

Heath McKnight · June 23rd, 2003, 06:51 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Pappas : I had an idea with the HD10U I would love to see; put on an Anamorphic adapter on the HD10 and squeeze in more image and the results since the camera is 1:77:1 will be 2:35:1 too. Now I can't wait to see that!

Michael Pappas -->>>

Wow, that would be interesting. I want to know if we can put a 35 mm film lens on it.

heath

Steve Mullen · June 23rd, 2003, 06:59 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Pappas : Anyone know when it will be supported? I would like to know the path one needs to take to convert a clip to anamation codec to I can to comp work with it. -->>>

You can do it now in FCP 3 or 4. But why not use uncompressed with FCP 4's new 8- or 10-bit codec?

The G5 will make MPEG-2 editing even more productive.

Heath McKnight · June 23rd, 2003, 07:00 PM

Has anyone read the specs, architecture (of the chip and system), IBM fabrication; etc. on this amazing marvel? Man, the G5 is a dream chip for Mac users and nerds alike!

http://www.apple.com/powermac/

This link goes into the architecture of the chip:

http://www.apple.com/g5/

The IBM fabrication process is really cool. "Imagine fitting over 58 million light switches into the space the size of your thumbnail to comprehend the feat accomplished by IBM scientists and fabrication wizards."

This is the HD editor's dream come true!

heath

Steve Mullen · June 23rd, 2003, 11:36 PM

Now I know why the Apple folks I met with Friday said MPEG-2 "could be edited by FCP" sometime in the future. Decode and smooth-play should be easy on G5 DP.

They want MPEG-2 TS to be edited with no more effort than DV. They were shocked Apple had released the SVHScap because it meant cutomers would be doing JVC editing ahead of "official" Apple support.

Heath McKnight · June 24th, 2003, 07:22 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Steve Mullen : Now I know why the Apple folks I met with Friday said MPEG-2 "could be edited by FCP" sometime in the future. Decode and smooth-play should be easy on G5 DP.

They want MPEG-2 TS to be edited with no more effort than DV. They were shocked Apple had released the SVHScap because it meant cutomers would be doing JVC editing ahead of "official" Apple support. -->>>

I'm already working towards buying the 2 ghz DP (I'm halfway there--a big chunk of my cash went the way of the HD10).

I just hope the HD10 doesn't end up like the CineLines: abandoned. Then again, it's a bit of money, but not as bad as the CineLines.

heath

Michael Pappas · June 24th, 2003, 11:18 AM

I was told buy JVC that the CineLine is still being sold. I was told that they send out around two a month. JVC is a small company. I never knew how until I was told that the division I was talking to had 45 people and their sister company Panasonic same dept has 700+. I think a smaller company is better when you want answers or help. Now in comparison, Sony is the worst for getting anything.

As to the G5. I have been sucked by the Apple vampire since the early 90's. I like the systems, but I may actually be installing Pentium 4 3+ghz systems too. The PC has come a long way. I also want to use 3dMax. My Electric Image 3d app runs better on the PC then my Mac. The one thing that is holding me in is FCP.

Heath McKnight · June 24th, 2003, 11:35 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Pappas : I was told buy JVC that the CineLine is still being sold. I was told that they send out around two a month. JVC is a small company. I never knew how until I was told that the division I was talking to had 45 people and their sister company Panasonic same dept has 700+. I think a smaller company is better when you want answers or help. Now in comparison, Sony is the worst for getting anything.

As to the G5. I have been sucked by the Apple vampire since the early 90's. I like the systems, but I may actually be installing Pentium 4 3+ghz systems too. The PC has come a long way. I also want to use 3dMax. My Electric Image 3d app runs better on the PC then my Mac. The one thing that is holding me in is FCP. -->>>

Sony's website sucks! Can't find anything because they link everything together (consumer, music, pro, movies, etc.).

If you're going PC, you can buy 3 identical 3 ghz machines, link them together and use Linux to turn them into a 9 ghz supercomputer! I read it in a magazine. I'll track it down for you.

heath

Yang Wen · June 24th, 2003, 12:04 PM

Don't get me wrong. I would love for the G5 to be as fast as promised. That would definitely bring up the competition bar in the desktop market. But Apple is notorious for product hype and misinformation, just like what they did with G4. And we all know what a snail the G4 is compared to modern AMD and Pentiums.

Heath McKnight · June 24th, 2003, 12:15 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Yang Wen : Don't get me wrong. I would love for the G5 to be as fast as promised. That would definitely bring up the competition bar in the desktop market. But Apple is notorious for product hype and misinformation, just like what they did with G4. And we all know what a snail the G4 is compared to modern AMD and Pentiums. -->>>

Actually, the G4 was pretty fast; AMD and Pentiums always had problems for me and the company I work for abandoned 13 dual Xeon P3s in favor for 13 G4s.

heath

Yang Wen · June 24th, 2003, 12:23 PM

I think everyone knows that when it comes to pure rendering power, the G4 is behind... by a huge margin. I'm not sure if day to day operations in the MacOS GUI is noticebaly slower but that doesn't really matter. Read the review below. Again, I don't want this to be a flame war, I just want to prove that I'm correct...Like I said, I really hope the G5 is as fast as they promised

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/11_nov/reviews/cw_macvspciii.htm

Heath McKnight · June 24th, 2003, 01:41 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Yang Wen : I think everyone knows that when it comes to pure rendering power, the G4 is behind... by a huge margin. I'm not sure if day to day operations in the MacOS GUI is noticebaly slower but that doesn't really matter. Read the review below. Again, I don't want this to be a flame war, I just want to prove that I'm correct...Like I said, I really hope the G5 is as fast as they promised

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/11_nov/reviews/cw_macvspciii.htm -->>>

Interesting. I've seen tons of articles done like that, and they go both ways. The most interesting "battle" I saw was at cnet two years ago when they had the first OS X vs. Windows 2000. This was the edition of OS X that had little apps and didn't support an Apple DVD player. The winner was, to cnet's surprise, OS X!

Like I said, we had the fastest P3s at the time, dual Xeons, and it sucked. The software and the hardware sucked (can't say what company, since we got a full refund); we immediately went to Apple G4s without looking back.

That said, I do notice with new programs the G4 seems to drag. I believe the G5 will fix that!

This ain't no blinded PC vs. Apple debate (blinded to the facts). I hate those arguments. PCs suck/rule because they do, same with Apple. I hate arguments like that!

Good discussion, Yang!

heath

Jeff Kilgroe · June 24th, 2003, 02:38 PM

Yeah, I'd hate to see this turn into a PC vs. Apple flame war. Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages. I use both platforms in my work because of this.

That said, I'm familiar with IBM's line of PowerPC processors and these new G5 Macs should deliver what Apple claims.

But also keep in mind that PCs are 64bit now too with the release of the AMD Opteron and Intel's Itanium[2] CPUs, which have been shipping for a while. Windows XP 64bit edition has been shipping for 2 months, and the AMD Opteron version of it will be available in September. Intel is still trying to push their P4 and Xeon lines for workstations, but I think that will change in the next month or two as Itanium price cuts have been promised and AMD and Apple are pushing for 64bit desktops. I think the PC world is going to really get nasty for a while as AMD and Intel duke it out for 64 bit control. There are also rumors that IBM will also revisit the PC CPU market with their own CPU. Either a PowerPC derivative (quite possibly the same CPU as they're shipping to Apple) or an entry from one of their other lines.

FWIW: I can buy a dual 1.8GHz Opteron with 8X AGP, GeForceFX 5900 video, 2GB RAM, 200GB HDD for a bit less than the dual 2GHz G5. And it includes all the same hardware bells and whistles like USB 2, Firewire, Serial ATA, PCI-X...

When it all comes down to it, PCs and Macs are virtually identical in terms of components and internal architecture. The main differences are the CPU[s] and the BIOS and the operating system.

Heath McKnight · June 24th, 2003, 02:49 PM

The only big thing I don't like about PCs is Windows. I haven't been trying Linux long enough to judge whether or not it's good, but so far, it's nice and stable. I'd like to try this free beta editing program called MainActor.

heath

June 23rd, 2003, 06:28 PM	#1
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	The G5 Apple and HD10 I can only wonder how editing will go with the HD10 on a new G5. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

June 23rd, 2003, 06:51 PM	#3
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Pappas : I had an idea with the HD10U I would love to see; put on an Anamorphic adapter on the HD10 and squeeze in more image and the results since the camera is 1:77:1 will be 2:35:1 too. Now I can't wait to see that! Michael Pappas -->>> Wow, that would be interesting. I want to know if we can put a 35 mm film lens on it. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

June 23rd, 2003, 06:59 PM	#4
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Pappas : Anyone know when it will be supported? I would like to know the path one needs to take to convert a clip to anamation codec to I can to comp work with it. -->>> You can do it now in FCP 3 or 4. But why not use uncompressed with FCP 4's new 8- or 10-bit codec? The G5 will make MPEG-2 editing even more productive. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

June 23rd, 2003, 07:00 PM	#5
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Has anyone read the specs, architecture (of the chip and system), IBM fabrication; etc. on this amazing marvel? Man, the G5 is a dream chip for Mac users and nerds alike! http://www.apple.com/powermac/ This link goes into the architecture of the chip: http://www.apple.com/g5/ The IBM fabrication process is really cool. "Imagine fitting over 58 million light switches into the space the size of your thumbnail to comprehend the feat accomplished by IBM scientists and fabrication wizards." This is the HD editor's dream come true! heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

June 23rd, 2003, 11:36 PM	#6
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Now I know why the Apple folks I met with Friday said MPEG-2 "could be edited by FCP" sometime in the future. Decode and smooth-play should be easy on G5 DP. They want MPEG-2 TS to be edited with no more effort than DV. They were shocked Apple had released the SVHScap because it meant cutomers would be doing JVC editing ahead of "official" Apple support. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

June 23rd, 2003, 06:34 PM	#2
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	Anyone know when it will be supported? I would like to know the path one needs to take to convert a clip to anamation codec to I can to comp work with it. I had an idea with the HD10U I would love to see; put on an Anamorphic adapter on the HD10 and squeeze in more image and the results since the camera is 1:77:1 will be 2:35:1 too. Now I can't wait to see that! Michael Pappas

June 24th, 2003, 07:22 AM	#7
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	<<<-- Originally posted by Steve Mullen : Now I know why the Apple folks I met with Friday said MPEG-2 "could be edited by FCP" sometime in the future. Decode and smooth-play should be easy on G5 DP. They want MPEG-2 TS to be edited with no more effort than DV. They were shocked Apple had released the SVHScap because it meant cutomers would be doing JVC editing ahead of "official" Apple support. -->>> I'm already working towards buying the 2 ghz DP (I'm halfway there--a big chunk of my cash went the way of the HD10). I just hope the HD10 doesn't end up like the CineLines: abandoned. Then again, it's a bit of money, but not as bad as the CineLines. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

June 24th, 2003, 11:18 AM	#8
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	I was told buy JVC that the CineLine is still being sold. I was told that they send out around two a month. JVC is a small company. I never knew how until I was told that the division I was talking to had 45 people and their sister company Panasonic same dept has 700+. I think a smaller company is better when you want answers or help. Now in comparison, Sony is the worst for getting anything. As to the G5. I have been sucked by the Apple vampire since the early 90's. I like the systems, but I may actually be installing Pentium 4 3+ghz systems too. The PC has come a long way. I also want to use 3dMax. My Electric Image 3d app runs better on the PC then my Mac. The one thing that is holding me in is FCP.

June 24th, 2003, 11:35 AM	#9
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Pappas : I was told buy JVC that the CineLine is still being sold. I was told that they send out around two a month. JVC is a small company. I never knew how until I was told that the division I was talking to had 45 people and their sister company Panasonic same dept has 700+. I think a smaller company is better when you want answers or help. Now in comparison, Sony is the worst for getting anything. As to the G5. I have been sucked by the Apple vampire since the early 90's. I like the systems, but I may actually be installing Pentium 4 3+ghz systems too. The PC has come a long way. I also want to use 3dMax. My Electric Image 3d app runs better on the PC then my Mac. The one thing that is holding me in is FCP. -->>> Sony's website sucks! Can't find anything because they link everything together (consumer, music, pro, movies, etc.). If you're going PC, you can buy 3 identical 3 ghz machines, link them together and use Linux to turn them into a 9 ghz supercomputer! I read it in a magazine. I'll track it down for you. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

June 24th, 2003, 12:04 PM	#10
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	Don't get me wrong. I would love for the G5 to be as fast as promised. That would definitely bring up the competition bar in the desktop market. But Apple is notorious for product hype and misinformation, just like what they did with G4. And we all know what a snail the G4 is compared to modern AMD and Pentiums.

June 24th, 2003, 12:15 PM	#11
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	<<<-- Originally posted by Yang Wen : Don't get me wrong. I would love for the G5 to be as fast as promised. That would definitely bring up the competition bar in the desktop market. But Apple is notorious for product hype and misinformation, just like what they did with G4. And we all know what a snail the G4 is compared to modern AMD and Pentiums. -->>> Actually, the G4 was pretty fast; AMD and Pentiums always had problems for me and the company I work for abandoned 13 dual Xeon P3s in favor for 13 G4s. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

June 24th, 2003, 12:23 PM	#12
Yang Wen Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 991	I think everyone knows that when it comes to pure rendering power, the G4 is behind... by a huge margin. I'm not sure if day to day operations in the MacOS GUI is noticebaly slower but that doesn't really matter. Read the review below. Again, I don't want this to be a flame war, I just want to prove that I'm correct...Like I said, I really hope the G5 is as fast as they promised http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/11_nov/reviews/cw_macvspciii.htm

June 24th, 2003, 01:41 PM	#13
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	<<<-- Originally posted by Yang Wen : I think everyone knows that when it comes to pure rendering power, the G4 is behind... by a huge margin. I'm not sure if day to day operations in the MacOS GUI is noticebaly slower but that doesn't really matter. Read the review below. Again, I don't want this to be a flame war, I just want to prove that I'm correct...Like I said, I really hope the G5 is as fast as they promised http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/11_nov/reviews/cw_macvspciii.htm -->>> Interesting. I've seen tons of articles done like that, and they go both ways. The most interesting "battle" I saw was at cnet two years ago when they had the first OS X vs. Windows 2000. This was the edition of OS X that had little apps and didn't support an Apple DVD player. The winner was, to cnet's surprise, OS X! Like I said, we had the fastest P3s at the time, dual Xeons, and it sucked. The software and the hardware sucked (can't say what company, since we got a full refund); we immediately went to Apple G4s without looking back. That said, I do notice with new programs the G4 seems to drag. I believe the G5 will fix that! This ain't no blinded PC vs. Apple debate (blinded to the facts). I hate those arguments. PCs suck/rule because they do, same with Apple. I hate arguments like that! Good discussion, Yang! heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

June 24th, 2003, 02:38 PM	#14
Jeff Kilgroe Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Golden, CO Posts: 681	Yeah, I'd hate to see this turn into a PC vs. Apple flame war. Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages. I use both platforms in my work because of this. That said, I'm familiar with IBM's line of PowerPC processors and these new G5 Macs should deliver what Apple claims. But also keep in mind that PCs are 64bit now too with the release of the AMD Opteron and Intel's Itanium[2] CPUs, which have been shipping for a while. Windows XP 64bit edition has been shipping for 2 months, and the AMD Opteron version of it will be available in September. Intel is still trying to push their P4 and Xeon lines for workstations, but I think that will change in the next month or two as Itanium price cuts have been promised and AMD and Apple are pushing for 64bit desktops. I think the PC world is going to really get nasty for a while as AMD and Intel duke it out for 64 bit control. There are also rumors that IBM will also revisit the PC CPU market with their own CPU. Either a PowerPC derivative (quite possibly the same CPU as they're shipping to Apple) or an entry from one of their other lines. FWIW: I can buy a dual 1.8GHz Opteron with 8X AGP, GeForceFX 5900 video, 2GB RAM, 200GB HDD for a bit less than the dual 2GHz G5. And it includes all the same hardware bells and whistles like USB 2, Firewire, Serial ATA, PCI-X... When it all comes down to it, PCs and Macs are virtually identical in terms of components and internal architecture. The main differences are the CPU[s] and the BIOS and the operating system. __________________ - Jeff Kilgroe - Applied Visual Technologies \| DarkScience - www.darkscience.com

June 24th, 2003, 02:49 PM	#15
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	The only big thing I don't like about PCs is Windows. I haven't been trying Linux long enough to judge whether or not it's good, but so far, it's nice and stable. I'd like to try this free beta editing program called MainActor. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog