Capture Utility Beside FCP at DVinfo.net

Dana Salsbury · November 27th, 2007, 07:04 PM

I have two Macs, a Quad for editing and a MBP for capturing. I have FCS2, but cannot have it on both computers unless the airport is off, which is unworkable. Is there another utility for capturing FCP HDV clips?

Robert Lane · November 27th, 2007, 08:40 PM

You might be able to use Quicktime Pro; iMovie can capture HDV but I don't know if you can transfer those files into FCP. My guess is not, but others on this forum have discussed it; try searching for the info here.

Kelly OHara · November 27th, 2007, 11:00 PM

iMovie is quite functional for capture software... it captures in the Apple Intermediary Codec in the appropriate resolution and will break the clips after every stop in recording.

Also they are fully compatible with FC, just set your project to work in the appropriate AIC codec and you're good to go.

Dana Salsbury · November 28th, 2007, 12:47 AM

I hadn't considered those. Thanks! iMovie looks promising. Time to play...

All the best!

Dana Salsbury · December 2nd, 2007, 12:32 PM

I was excited that iMovie was capturing, but now I have a big problem. I captured five HDV miniDVs and it created one massive file (over 100g). I have to drag each clip to another folder, and that takes forever. Is there any way around this?

Cole McDonald · December 2nd, 2007, 12:57 PM

control click on the 100Gb File, and select the option "show package contents" in the resulting popup menu. The "huge file" is actually a folder with a bunch of stuff in it. Including the actual clips you've captured. You can drag them out of there (Either copy them so they still reside there if you need them later again, or move them if you don't...knowing they'll disappear from the iMovie project once you've done so).

Dana Salsbury · December 2nd, 2007, 01:41 PM

Thanks bro, that was the fix.

Dana Salsbury · December 2nd, 2007, 01:49 PM

Question though...these clips are a lot larger than clips I capture in FCP, and I don't have much say in the specs. I'm capturing HDV from an FX1 and burning to standard DVDs. I imagine this is a compression issue. FCP gives me a prompt asking if I want to modify the clips for the timeline, which I don't normally have to do. Thoughts?

Cole McDonald · December 2nd, 2007, 02:27 PM

You have no say in the specs in iMovie...in fact the old version had audio incompatabilities with FCP that made it so you had to render every single clip you put in the timeline every time you made a change. :( Ask me about my 47 hours of logged footage for my feature sometime...ick. I ended up having to re-export everything to quicktime full quality which ballooned the size unhappily.

The best way though is to get used to using the log and capture workflow wihtin FCP (unless you're doing event shooting - in which case I use capture now). I've just switched to it and it makes me happy...turn on the audio preview in the capture settings (tabs on top right of capture window). Mark your in at action, mark your out at cut, hit log clip...repeat throughout the tape, then hit batch capture and they will all magically pull in. This saves Hard drive space as well as you can elect not to import specific takes if they got botched and had no value for the production.

Andrew Kimery · December 2nd, 2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dana Salsbury

Question though...these clips are a lot larger than clips I capture in FCP, and I don't have much say in the specs. I'm capturing HDV from an FX1 and burning to standard DVDs. I imagine this is a compression issue. FCP gives me a prompt asking if I want to modify the clips for the timeline, which I don't normally have to do. Thoughts?

iMovie only captures in AIC (which is bigger than native HDV) and capturing in AIC loses the TC from the tape, IIRC.

-A

Dana Salsbury · December 2nd, 2007, 05:35 PM

I would rather use FCP, but I can't afford to buy a second copy just to capture on a second computer. I have to be connected via Ethernet to make it work, and it won't let me have two versions open at once. (see http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=108783).

Cole McDonald · December 2nd, 2007, 08:12 PM

I seem to recall folks using a sample app from apple's developer tools firewire SDK to pull in footage from some camera before the built-in support came to pass for it...DVHSCapture or something like that. You'll need to go to apple's developer's website and download the firewire SDK (free) from there to get it...but the app is free.

Dana Salsbury · December 5th, 2007, 01:27 PM

I downloaded and installed it. I got it to work after quite a bit of reading, but when I captured it came out as M2t (Vegas). Of course Final Cut will not accept M2t.

I've pretty much concluded that outside FCP, nothing will capture for FCP unless you want to add a conversion to your workflow. iMovie files are unworkable -- they are just too large.

My last hope is Quicktime Pro.

David W. Jones · December 5th, 2007, 05:47 PM

You might want to rethink your workflow.
Maybe incorporate something along the lines of a Firestore to shoot with to cut your capture time down to nothing.

Dana Salsbury · December 5th, 2007, 10:57 PM

I'd like to, but I live and Phoenix and they'd fry in the sun. I also film three camera weddings, so that's like $4,500. I wish it was workable.

My options are:
1. to capture at night while sleeping
2. to buy a second (perhaps older) FCP version for capturing only
3. to capture on my PC, converting each file from M2t (sell my second Mac)

How long does it take to convert from M2t with the mpeg download?

November 27th, 2007, 07:04 PM	#1
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	Capture Utility Beside FCP I have two Macs, a Quad for editing and a MBP for capturing. I have FCS2, but cannot have it on both computers unless the airport is off, which is unworkable. Is there another utility for capturing FCP HDV clips? __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion

November 28th, 2007, 12:47 AM	#4
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	I hadn't considered those. Thanks! iMovie looks promising. Time to play... All the best! __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion

December 2nd, 2007, 12:32 PM	#5
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	I was excited that iMovie was capturing, but now I have a big problem. I captured five HDV miniDVs and it created one massive file (over 100g). I have to drag each clip to another folder, and that takes forever. Is there any way around this? __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion

December 2nd, 2007, 12:57 PM	#6
Cole McDonald Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN, USA Posts: 1,675	control click on the 100Gb File, and select the option "show package contents" in the resulting popup menu. The "huge file" is actually a folder with a bunch of stuff in it. Including the actual clips you've captured. You can drag them out of there (Either copy them so they still reside there if you need them later again, or move them if you don't...knowing they'll disappear from the iMovie project once you've done so). __________________ Web Youtube Facebook

December 2nd, 2007, 01:41 PM	#7
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	Thanks bro, that was the fix. __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion

November 27th, 2007, 08:40 PM	#2
Robert Lane Go Go Godzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Posts: 2,825 Images: 15	You might be able to use Quicktime Pro; iMovie can capture HDV but I don't know if you can transfer those files into FCP. My guess is not, but others on this forum have discussed it; try searching for the info here.

November 27th, 2007, 11:00 PM	#3
Kelly OHara New Boot Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 20	iMovie is quite functional for capture software... it captures in the Apple Intermediary Codec in the appropriate resolution and will break the clips after every stop in recording. Also they are fully compatible with FC, just set your project to work in the appropriate AIC codec and you're good to go.

December 2nd, 2007, 01:49 PM	#8
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	Question though...these clips are a lot larger than clips I capture in FCP, and I don't have much say in the specs. I'm capturing HDV from an FX1 and burning to standard DVDs. I imagine this is a compression issue. FCP gives me a prompt asking if I want to modify the clips for the timeline, which I don't normally have to do. Thoughts? __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion

December 2nd, 2007, 02:27 PM	#9
Cole McDonald Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN, USA Posts: 1,675	You have no say in the specs in iMovie...in fact the old version had audio incompatabilities with FCP that made it so you had to render every single clip you put in the timeline every time you made a change. :( Ask me about my 47 hours of logged footage for my feature sometime...ick. I ended up having to re-export everything to quicktime full quality which ballooned the size unhappily. The best way though is to get used to using the log and capture workflow wihtin FCP (unless you're doing event shooting - in which case I use capture now). I've just switched to it and it makes me happy...turn on the audio preview in the capture settings (tabs on top right of capture window). Mark your in at action, mark your out at cut, hit log clip...repeat throughout the tape, then hit batch capture and they will all magically pull in. This saves Hard drive space as well as you can elect not to import specific takes if they got botched and had no value for the production. __________________ Web Youtube Facebook

December 2nd, 2007, 05:35 PM	#11
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	I would rather use FCP, but I can't afford to buy a second copy just to capture on a second computer. I have to be connected via Ethernet to make it work, and it won't let me have two versions open at once. (see http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=108783). __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion Last edited by Dana Salsbury; December 2nd, 2007 at 05:40 PM. Reason: unnecessary type

December 2nd, 2007, 08:12 PM	#12
Cole McDonald Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN, USA Posts: 1,675	I seem to recall folks using a sample app from apple's developer tools firewire SDK to pull in footage from some camera before the built-in support came to pass for it...DVHSCapture or something like that. You'll need to go to apple's developer's website and download the firewire SDK (free) from there to get it...but the app is free. __________________ Web Youtube Facebook

December 5th, 2007, 01:27 PM	#13
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	I downloaded and installed it. I got it to work after quite a bit of reading, but when I captured it came out as M2t (Vegas). Of course Final Cut will not accept M2t. I've pretty much concluded that outside FCP, nothing will capture for FCP unless you want to add a conversion to your workflow. iMovie files are unworkable -- they are just too large. My last hope is Quicktime Pro. __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion

December 5th, 2007, 05:47 PM	#14
David W. Jones Trustee Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Little Rock Posts: 1,383	You might want to rethink your workflow. Maybe incorporate something along the lines of a Firestore to shoot with to cut your capture time down to nothing.

December 5th, 2007, 10:57 PM	#15
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	I'd like to, but I live and Phoenix and they'd fry in the sun. I also film three camera weddings, so that's like $4,500. I wish it was workable. My options are: 1. to capture at night while sleeping 2. to buy a second (perhaps older) FCP version for capturing only 3. to capture on my PC, converting each file from M2t (sell my second Mac) How long does it take to convert from M2t with the mpeg download? __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion