And Apple gives us an HD10 ready FireWire utility!

Heath McKnight · June 15th, 2003, 02:46 AM

Okay, so, bear with me here...Go to the store and buy it (online) for 20 bucks...Then download the firewire utility for DVHSCap (what if I'm not going DVHS for another couple of months? Should I still download it?), then install it? Sounds simple, just want to make sure I've got that right; I've screwed up in the past...

heath

<<<-- Originally posted by Steve Mullen : <<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : <<<-- Originally posted by Steve Mullen : And, lo and behold there is a utility ready to use. Now I really want my camcorder! -->>>

Where can we find this at Apple's site, and is it just one thing (for $20) or two things?

heath -->>>

You buy the mpeg2 decoder from the store.

the firewire utility, DVHSCap, is at:

http://developer.apple.com/firewire/index.html

Now download and install tthe:

FireWire SDK 16 for Mac OS X (Download)

and find open the Utilities folder. -->>>

Heath McKnight · June 15th, 2003, 03:15 AM

I think this is the decoder:

QT 6 MPEG-2 Playback - Mac OS X - $19.95

I can't seem to find the direct link for the DVHSCap...Steve, can you shed some light on where to find it? Then again, I'm dead tired and taking a brief break from editing. I don't recommend getting on an ultra low-budget show where they have two weeks to edit three TV shows!

Thanks,

heath

Bob England · June 19th, 2003, 02:01 PM

The DVHSCap app is part of the FireWire SDK 16. I don't think you can download it separately.
Go to http://developer.apple.com/firewire/index.html and click on "FireWire SDK 16 for Mac OS X (Download)" to download the .dmg file. Note that in order to install the Firewire SDK you must have the OS X Developer Tools installed (a seperate disk that came with your OS X disks).
Once the SDK is installed, check the /Developer/FireWireSDK16/Applications folder to find DVHSCap. Also check out the VirtualDVHS app in the PreRelease Components/Examples folder (you'll have to install FireWire_PreRelease.pkg to get it to work, though). I think it's a lot more fun; turns my G4 Titanium into a virtual DVHS deck!

Heath McKnight · June 19th, 2003, 02:04 PM

Thanks for the heads up; I've downloaded everything in anticipation of my camera purchase. But I didn't know about the developer tools on my OS 10 install disk! Thanks!

heath

<<<-- Originally posted by Bob England : The DVHSCap app is part of the FireWire SDK 16. I don't think you can download it separately.
Go to http://developer.apple.com/firewire/index.html and click on "FireWire SDK 16 for Mac OS X (Download)" to download the .dmg file. Note that in order to install the Firewire SDK you must have the OS X Developer Tools installed (a seperate disk that came with your OS X disks).
Once the SDK is installed, check the /Developer/FireWireSDK16/Applications folder to find DVHSCap. Also check out the VirtualDVHS app in the PreRelease Components/Examples folder (you'll have to install FireWire_PreRelease.pkg to get it to work, though). I think it's a lot more fun; turns my G4 Titanium into a virtual DVHS deck! -->>>

Bob England · June 19th, 2003, 02:24 PM

Trust me, when you get it, you'll have a blast! I've had the HD1 for a couple weeks now and I do love it. I debated about getting the HD10, but B&H Photo had the HD1 in stock and I just couldn't wait any longer. The XLR inputs and higher pixel count viewfinder don't mean that much to me. The edge enhancement is noticeable, but I believe I can get around that eventually; I don't think it's part of the recorded image.

Heath McKnight · June 19th, 2003, 02:33 PM

The image is the same regardless, between the HD1 and the HD10. I bet Beachtek (?) will make an XLR adaptor.

heath

<<<-- Originally posted by Bob England : Trust me, when you get it, you'll have a blast! I've had the HD1 for a couple weeks now and I do love it. I debated about getting the HD10, but B&H Photo had the HD1 in stock and I just couldn't wait any longer. The XLR inputs and higher pixel count viewfinder don't mean that much to me. The edge enhancement is noticeable, but I believe I can get around that eventually; I don't think it's part of the recorded image. -->>>

Bob England · June 19th, 2003, 02:49 PM

The one big fly in the ointment right now, as far as the Mac is concerned, is that the $19.95 QuickTime 6 MPEG-2 Playback component does not work with MPEG2 transport streams (it even says so in it's Readme file) only program and elementary streams. Until this changes, neither FCP nor QT itself are able to work directly with the JVC's .m2t files.
Steve Mullen has been dropping broad hints of things changing (with respect to Apple) in the next 30 days. Hopefully this is at least part of what he's referring to.

Heath McKnight · June 19th, 2003, 02:51 PM

All right, though I like to think I'm a bit of a techie, can you explaing the part about the Mpreg2 transport streams, please?

heath

<<<-- Originally posted by Bob England : The one big fly in the ointment right now, as far as the Mac is concerned, is that the $19.95 QuickTime 6 MPEG-2 Playback component does not work with MPEG2 transport streams (it even says so in it's Readme file) only program and elementary streams. Until this changes, neither FCP nor QT itself are able to work directly with the JVC's .m2t files.
Steve Mullen has been dropping broad hints of things changing (with respect to Apple) in the next 30 days. Hopefully this is at least part of what he's referring to. -->>>

Bob England · June 19th, 2003, 06:20 PM

As I understand it:

Elementary streams are the basic MPEG video and audio streams. These are usually what come out of your encoder.
Program streams are video and audio streams multiplexed together.
Transport streams contain one or more program streams and are broken down into the data packets that are the transmitted over firewire, over the air, etc.
Steve Mullen or others, could probably elaborate on this.

Steve Mullen · June 19th, 2003, 10:00 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Bob England : As I understand it:

Elementary streams are the basic MPEG video and audio streams. These are usually what come out of your encoder.
Program streams are video and audio streams multiplexed together.
Transport streams contain one or more program streams and are broken down into the data packets that are the transmitted over firewire, over the air, etc. -->>>

Exactly right.

But there are many demux tools for the OS X. This is how you get your MPEG2 file.

June 19th, 2003, 02:04 PM	#19
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Thanks for the heads up; I've downloaded everything in anticipation of my camera purchase. But I didn't know about the developer tools on my OS 10 install disk! Thanks! heath <<<-- Originally posted by Bob England : The DVHSCap app is part of the FireWire SDK 16. I don't think you can download it separately. Go to http://developer.apple.com/firewire/index.html and click on "FireWire SDK 16 for Mac OS X (Download)" to download the .dmg file. Note that in order to install the Firewire SDK you must have the OS X Developer Tools installed (a seperate disk that came with your OS X disks). Once the SDK is installed, check the /Developer/FireWireSDK16/Applications folder to find DVHSCap. Also check out the VirtualDVHS app in the PreRelease Components/Examples folder (you'll have to install FireWire_PreRelease.pkg to get it to work, though). I think it's a lot more fun; turns my G4 Titanium into a virtual DVHS deck! -->>> __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

June 19th, 2003, 02:33 PM	#21
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	The image is the same regardless, between the HD1 and the HD10. I bet Beachtek (?) will make an XLR adaptor. heath <<<-- Originally posted by Bob England : Trust me, when you get it, you'll have a blast! I've had the HD1 for a couple weeks now and I do love it. I debated about getting the HD10, but B&H Photo had the HD1 in stock and I just couldn't wait any longer. The XLR inputs and higher pixel count viewfinder don't mean that much to me. The edge enhancement is noticeable, but I believe I can get around that eventually; I don't think it's part of the recorded image. -->>> __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

June 19th, 2003, 02:51 PM	#23
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	All right, though I like to think I'm a bit of a techie, can you explaing the part about the Mpreg2 transport streams, please? heath <<<-- Originally posted by Bob England : The one big fly in the ointment right now, as far as the Mac is concerned, is that the $19.95 QuickTime 6 MPEG-2 Playback component does not work with MPEG2 transport streams (it even says so in it's Readme file) only program and elementary streams. Until this changes, neither FCP nor QT itself are able to work directly with the JVC's .m2t files. Steve Mullen has been dropping broad hints of things changing (with respect to Apple) in the next 30 days. Hopefully this is at least part of what he's referring to. -->>> __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

June 19th, 2003, 10:00 PM	#25
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	<<<-- Originally posted by Bob England : As I understand it: Elementary streams are the basic MPEG video and audio streams. These are usually what come out of your encoder. Program streams are video and audio streams multiplexed together. Transport streams contain one or more program streams and are broken down into the data packets that are the transmitted over firewire, over the air, etc. -->>> Exactly right. But there are many demux tools for the OS X. This is how you get your MPEG2 file. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

June 15th, 2003, 02:46 AM	#16
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Okay, so, bear with me here...Go to the store and buy it (online) for 20 bucks...Then download the firewire utility for DVHSCap (what if I'm not going DVHS for another couple of months? Should I still download it?), then install it? Sounds simple, just want to make sure I've got that right; I've screwed up in the past... heath <<<-- Originally posted by Steve Mullen : <<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : <<<-- Originally posted by Steve Mullen : And, lo and behold there is a utility ready to use. Now I really want my camcorder! -->>> Where can we find this at Apple's site, and is it just one thing (for $20) or two things? heath -->>> You buy the mpeg2 decoder from the store. the firewire utility, DVHSCap, is at: http://developer.apple.com/firewire/index.html Now download and install tthe: FireWire SDK 16 for Mac OS X (Download) and find open the Utilities folder. -->>>

June 15th, 2003, 03:15 AM	#17
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I think this is the decoder: QT 6 MPEG-2 Playback - Mac OS X - $19.95 I can't seem to find the direct link for the DVHSCap...Steve, can you shed some light on where to find it? Then again, I'm dead tired and taking a brief break from editing. I don't recommend getting on an ultra low-budget show where they have two weeks to edit three TV shows! Thanks, heath

June 19th, 2003, 02:01 PM	#18
Bob England Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 59	The DVHSCap app is part of the FireWire SDK 16. I don't think you can download it separately. Go to http://developer.apple.com/firewire/index.html and click on "FireWire SDK 16 for Mac OS X (Download)" to download the .dmg file. Note that in order to install the Firewire SDK you must have the OS X Developer Tools installed (a seperate disk that came with your OS X disks). Once the SDK is installed, check the /Developer/FireWireSDK16/Applications folder to find DVHSCap. Also check out the VirtualDVHS app in the PreRelease Components/Examples folder (you'll have to install FireWire_PreRelease.pkg to get it to work, though). I think it's a lot more fun; turns my G4 Titanium into a virtual DVHS deck!

June 19th, 2003, 02:24 PM	#20
Bob England Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 59	Trust me, when you get it, you'll have a blast! I've had the HD1 for a couple weeks now and I do love it. I debated about getting the HD10, but B&H Photo had the HD1 in stock and I just couldn't wait any longer. The XLR inputs and higher pixel count viewfinder don't mean that much to me. The edge enhancement is noticeable, but I believe I can get around that eventually; I don't think it's part of the recorded image.

June 19th, 2003, 02:49 PM	#22
Bob England Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 59	The one big fly in the ointment right now, as far as the Mac is concerned, is that the $19.95 QuickTime 6 MPEG-2 Playback component does not work with MPEG2 transport streams (it even says so in it's Readme file) only program and elementary streams. Until this changes, neither FCP nor QT itself are able to work directly with the JVC's .m2t files. Steve Mullen has been dropping broad hints of things changing (with respect to Apple) in the next 30 days. Hopefully this is at least part of what he's referring to.

June 19th, 2003, 06:20 PM	#24
Bob England Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 59	As I understand it: Elementary streams are the basic MPEG video and audio streams. These are usually what come out of your encoder. Program streams are video and audio streams multiplexed together. Transport streams contain one or more program streams and are broken down into the data packets that are the transmitted over firewire, over the air, etc. Steve Mullen or others, could probably elaborate on this.