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Simon Wyndham · November 18th, 2007, 07:12 PM

Is there any way to get markers to ripple with an edit?!

This is driving me insane. I've gone through a lengthy speech marking the parts my client wants. But when i edit out and delete sections the damn markers remain static. This is one area that Vegas really absolutely dumps all over FCP. This is driving me absolutely insane!

Carl Middleton · November 18th, 2007, 07:34 PM

I know it's not exactly what you want, but you can always go through and razor and clear (not ripple delete) the pieces you want to get rid of... and then once you have all the pieces sliced how you want them, and just black between 'em, go through and ripple delete the blank areas.

I'm not very familiar with FCP, so I'm guessing as far as how you could achieve it. I'm on PPro.. but give it a shot and maybe that'll work for you?

Carl

Simon Wyndham · November 18th, 2007, 07:58 PM

Thanks for the suggestion, but this won't really work for what I need. The markers are also going to act as chapter points for the DVD. Even if I add a simple title at the beginning of the timeline all the markers are thrown out.

And to make things worse, unlike Vegas I can't just grab the marker with the mouse and drag it. Someone at Apple needs to sort this out. As it stands this feature in FCP is rubbish. I don't want to jump through hoops just to manipulate something as simple as a timeline marker.

Greg Boston · November 18th, 2007, 08:03 PM

Are you inserting chapter markers? Also note the distinction between placing a sequence marker on a clip in the timeline (green), and marking a clip by selecting it and placing the playhead within it (pink). Perhaps the clip markers will maintain their relative position within the material as you edit.

IMHO, DVD Chapter markers should come after you finish the edit.

-gb-

Glenn Chan · November 18th, 2007, 08:04 PM

You could add markers to the clip/event from the timeline (You don't have to go into the viewer to do that).

And then from there you can remake the chapter markers or whatever (you can also reposition them).

2- There might be a more elegant solution. (Other than doing this in Vegas ;) )

Greg Boston · November 18th, 2007, 08:12 PM

BTW, I just did a quick check of my advise above and it seems to work. I marked a clip, deleted the clip before it, then did a close gap to move it back against the end of the clip previous to the one I deleted. The clip with the marker maintained its place within the clip. IOW, it moved with the edit, still marking the same frame I originally marked.

-gb-

Steve Oakley · November 20th, 2007, 10:34 PM

timeline markers are _supposed_ to be stationary. they do indeed serve a purpose when you want to edit to certain lengths, or have clips at certain times and those times don't move. use clip markers instead as others have said.

Simon Wyndham · November 21st, 2007, 04:03 AM

Moving them works pretty nicely in Vegas :-)

In this particular case, adding in the chapters right at the end of the project isn't an option due to the nature of how the work is being performed.

Being able to move markers around (and have them follow edits on the timeline) is something I have become used to being able to do over the years, and it is something I am loathe to give up.

Martin Saxer · November 21st, 2007, 04:44 AM

Hm. Maybe I didn't quite get it. But if you use clip markers (set in the viewer instead of the timeline) they are linked to the clip and "move around". If you have a two camera shot, create a multiclip and set the markers in the viewer. Would you still be missing something that way?

Simon Wyndham · November 21st, 2007, 07:26 AM

Mind you this issue with markers is nothing compared to the trouble I am having with Soundtrack Pro 2 hanging everytime I try to render out a sound file.

Jonathan Schwartz · November 21st, 2007, 09:04 AM

Simon,

I think that the answer for you is to add your markers to the clip not the timeline. Just make sure that you have the clip highlighted when you are adding your markers. This way the markers stay with the clip not the timeline. At the end, you can easily go through and add your chapter markers on the timeline for DVDSP output.

Jonathan Schwartz

November 18th, 2007, 07:12 PM	#1
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Really annoying! Is there any way to get markers to ripple with an edit?! This is driving me insane. I've gone through a lengthy speech marking the parts my client wants. But when i edit out and delete sections the damn markers remain static. This is one area that Vegas really absolutely dumps all over FCP. This is driving me absolutely insane!

November 21st, 2007, 09:04 AM	#11
Jonathan Schwartz Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ocean Springs, MS Posts: 211	Markers Simon, I think that the answer for you is to add your markers to the clip not the timeline. Just make sure that you have the clip highlighted when you are adding your markers. This way the markers stay with the clip not the timeline. At the end, you can easily go through and add your chapter markers on the timeline for DVDSP output. Jonathan Schwartz

November 18th, 2007, 07:34 PM	#2
Carl Middleton Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fernandina Beach, FL Posts: 562	I know it's not exactly what you want, but you can always go through and razor and clear (not ripple delete) the pieces you want to get rid of... and then once you have all the pieces sliced how you want them, and just black between 'em, go through and ripple delete the blank areas. I'm not very familiar with FCP, so I'm guessing as far as how you could achieve it. I'm on PPro.. but give it a shot and maybe that'll work for you? Carl

November 18th, 2007, 07:58 PM	#3
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Thanks for the suggestion, but this won't really work for what I need. The markers are also going to act as chapter points for the DVD. Even if I add a simple title at the beginning of the timeline all the markers are thrown out. And to make things worse, unlike Vegas I can't just grab the marker with the mouse and drag it. Someone at Apple needs to sort this out. As it stands this feature in FCP is rubbish. I don't want to jump through hoops just to manipulate something as simple as a timeline marker.

November 18th, 2007, 08:03 PM	#4
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Are you inserting chapter markers? Also note the distinction between placing a sequence marker on a clip in the timeline (green), and marking a clip by selecting it and placing the playhead within it (pink). Perhaps the clip markers will maintain their relative position within the material as you edit. IMHO, DVD Chapter markers should come after you finish the edit. -gb-

November 18th, 2007, 08:04 PM	#5
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	You could add markers to the clip/event from the timeline (You don't have to go into the viewer to do that). And then from there you can remake the chapter markers or whatever (you can also reposition them). 2- There might be a more elegant solution. (Other than doing this in Vegas ;) )

November 18th, 2007, 08:12 PM	#6
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	BTW, I just did a quick check of my advise above and it seems to work. I marked a clip, deleted the clip before it, then did a close gap to move it back against the end of the clip previous to the one I deleted. The clip with the marker maintained its place within the clip. IOW, it moved with the edit, still marking the same frame I originally marked. -gb-

November 20th, 2007, 10:34 PM	#7
Steve Oakley Trustee Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1,158	timeline markers are _supposed_ to be stationary. they do indeed serve a purpose when you want to edit to certain lengths, or have clips at certain times and those times don't move. use clip markers instead as others have said.

November 21st, 2007, 04:03 AM	#8
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Moving them works pretty nicely in Vegas :-) In this particular case, adding in the chapters right at the end of the project isn't an option due to the nature of how the work is being performed. Being able to move markers around (and have them follow edits on the timeline) is something I have become used to being able to do over the years, and it is something I am loathe to give up.

November 21st, 2007, 04:44 AM	#9
Martin Saxer Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oxford, UK (until 2008: Lhasa, Tibetan Autonomous Region) Posts: 65	Hm. Maybe I didn't quite get it. But if you use clip markers (set in the viewer instead of the timeline) they are linked to the clip and "move around". If you have a two camera shot, create a multiclip and set the markers in the viewer. Would you still be missing something that way?

November 21st, 2007, 07:26 AM	#10
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Mind you this issue with markers is nothing compared to the trouble I am having with Soundtrack Pro 2 hanging everytime I try to render out a sound file.