Interlace Problem in FCP? at DVinfo.net

Vishad Dewan · September 10th, 2007, 02:54 PM

Does FCP have a problem with video shot in either 30i or 60i??

I shot a wedding set on 60i, 4:3, and when I imported it into FCP the quality went down dramatically. I've got a post on the forum about FCP exporting to DVD Studio Pro with interlace artifacts, but I now want to see if the problem is in the original DV tape itself, or FCP.

Why is it that when I play the DVD footage on my LCD TV there are obvious artifacts? I imported the footage as 3:2 DV NTSC. Could this be a problem? The Sequence Setting has the interlace set at upper field (it was originally lower field, but the upper field seemed to help a little bit). The video codec is H.264.

Ahhhh! I would REALLY love to find out what I can do to fix this problem.

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!

Aric Mannion · September 10th, 2007, 03:04 PM

If your problem is "interlacing" I really don't think you can "fix" it. SD DVDs are interlaced, don't try to deinterlace something going to an SD DVD. Can someone else confirm this?

Vishad Dewan · September 10th, 2007, 03:10 PM

Okay, yeah, that's what I thought. A DVD software will just re-interlace anything anyway.

So, what exactly might be the problem here? I've recorded 30i and 60i footage on my XL2 with no prior such problem. So, is there something I might be able to do to sharpen the image or, more precisely, make the artifacts much less obvious?

Vishad Dewan · September 10th, 2007, 03:28 PM

Oh, and by the way, when I shoot in 60i, 4:3 format, what is the correct import format I should use for FCP? Is it 4:3 or the default setting I have of 3:2?

Andrew Kimery · September 10th, 2007, 03:48 PM

Just open up a new project w/the DV/NTSC Easy Setup and all the sequence and project settings will be correct.

You mentioned H.264 in your original post. What did you use h.264 for? If you are editing NTSC DV w/the intent of putting it on an SD DVD h.264 should appear anywhere in your work flow.

-A

Vishad Dewan · September 10th, 2007, 03:57 PM

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your response. The Sequence Setting was initially at DV NTSC codec setting; I changed it to H.264 to see if it would make any difference that way.

In any case, can I open a new project with the Easy DV NTSC setup, and then import my existing project into it? Would that take care of the issue?

Andrew Kimery · September 10th, 2007, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vishad Dewan

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your response. The Sequence Setting was initially at DV NTSC codec setting; I changed it to H.264 to see if it would make any difference that way.

In any case, can I open a new project with the Easy DV NTSC setup, and then import my existing project into it? Would that take care of the issue?

As long as your media was captured using the proper DV NTSC settings then, yes, you can import them into a new DV NTSC project. That would be my first step in narrowing down the problem.

-A

David Knaggs · September 11th, 2007, 05:26 AM

Vishad, this may or may not be helpful for your particular situation, but I once had to convert some footage which looked horribly interlaced (so bad that something looked definitely wrong). I think the codec of the original footage was some sort of MPEG-2 variant and I had to convert it to a DV Quicktime movie.

I used MPEG Streamclip (it's a free download from Squared5, you can Google it). I did an "Export to Quicktime" and checked the box which said "Deinterlace Video".

It got rid of the "terribly interlaced" look and the resultant footage was excellent except for some slight artifacting during the quick dissolves (which wasn't really noticeable by the viewer when played at normal speed).

I then put the DV Quicktime into Compressor to make the DVD assets and the resultant .m2v file maintained the excellent quality.

This may not match your circumstances but I thought it worth mentioning as it could provide you with a workable option.

Aric Mannion · September 11th, 2007, 10:15 AM

If your video looks good in your timeline, then the problem is not final cut. If you are having artifact issues, that can happen if h264 was not set to best, or maybe if you use studio pro, it has to recompress your h264! But if you have studio pro, you might just want to import an uncompressed quicktime to burn. (export quicktime-NOT CONVERSION from final cut for an uncompressed video.) Newer DVD studio pro will compress it for you, and under the preferences you can select two pass vbr, and bring up the bitrate (just a little or it will fail) for higher quality. If you do this you know you've done all you can.
But if your video looks bad in final cut, you've got a different problem. And if studio pro does fail, throw away the folder called "mpeg" that it makes, and turn down the bitrate a little.

Vishad Dewan · September 11th, 2007, 10:56 AM

Hi Aric,

Yeah, it's the footage in the timeline that's bad as well. But since I almost alway shoot in 60i I figured it was just my monitor not displaying both fields.

I'll try MpegStreamclip to see if that works. Thanks everyone for your help!

Aric Mannion · September 11th, 2007, 12:09 PM

If the footage in your timeline is bad then make a new sequence, hold control and click on the sequence and select settings. experiment with new settings, and bring in a clip, see if it looks better.
This just happened to me today, where I was given a quicktime movie and put it into the default FCP timeline. Final cut gave me an error and said that the clip doesn't match my sequence settings, it said it could change the settings to match that of the clip. I clicked OK and the clip looked awful. It was actually harsh interlacing, more than usual. I made my own sequence settings in a new sequence and brought the same clip in, and it looked great. But I had to render the whole clip to play it.

Vishad Dewan · September 11th, 2007, 12:23 PM

Yeah, thanks, Aric! I'll do that right after I finish testing with Mpeg Streamclip. I'll post how everything goes!

Aric Mannion · September 12th, 2007, 08:46 AM

actually that didn't work. I got it to look god in final cut, but after the DVD was burned it went back to an extra jagged interlaced look. I just brought it into after effects and interpretted footage, to fix it. This seems to be working so far.

Vishad Dewan · September 12th, 2007, 08:55 AM

I tried that in AE last week and it really didn't seem to work too well for me. Then again my video is about 120mins, so....

Anyway, someone else posted another way to fix this. It sounds like it could work. Here's the link http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...949#post742949.

The comment is at the bottom of the post.

Aric Mannion · September 13th, 2007, 12:56 PM

Interpret footage seemed to work for me, you said you tried that already? You know to select upper or lower in the "seperate fields" drop down right? Off does nothing.

September 10th, 2007, 02:54 PM	#1
Vishad Dewan Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Yuba City, Ca Posts: 126	Interlace Problem in FCP? Does FCP have a problem with video shot in either 30i or 60i?? I shot a wedding set on 60i, 4:3, and when I imported it into FCP the quality went down dramatically. I've got a post on the forum about FCP exporting to DVD Studio Pro with interlace artifacts, but I now want to see if the problem is in the original DV tape itself, or FCP. Why is it that when I play the DVD footage on my LCD TV there are obvious artifacts? I imported the footage as 3:2 DV NTSC. Could this be a problem? The Sequence Setting has the interlace set at upper field (it was originally lower field, but the upper field seemed to help a little bit). The video codec is H.264. Ahhhh! I would REALLY love to find out what I can do to fix this problem. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks! __________________ Vishad Novus Productions - www.novusproductions.com -

September 10th, 2007, 03:10 PM	#3
Vishad Dewan Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Yuba City, Ca Posts: 126	Okay, yeah, that's what I thought. A DVD software will just re-interlace anything anyway. So, what exactly might be the problem here? I've recorded 30i and 60i footage on my XL2 with no prior such problem. So, is there something I might be able to do to sharpen the image or, more precisely, make the artifacts much less obvious? __________________ Vishad Novus Productions - www.novusproductions.com -

September 10th, 2007, 03:28 PM	#4
Vishad Dewan Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Yuba City, Ca Posts: 126	Oh, and by the way, when I shoot in 60i, 4:3 format, what is the correct import format I should use for FCP? Is it 4:3 or the default setting I have of 3:2? __________________ Vishad Novus Productions - www.novusproductions.com -

September 10th, 2007, 03:57 PM	#6
Vishad Dewan Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Yuba City, Ca Posts: 126	Hi Andrew, Thanks for your response. The Sequence Setting was initially at DV NTSC codec setting; I changed it to H.264 to see if it would make any difference that way. In any case, can I open a new project with the Easy DV NTSC setup, and then import my existing project into it? Would that take care of the issue? __________________ Vishad Novus Productions - www.novusproductions.com -

September 11th, 2007, 10:56 AM	#10
Vishad Dewan Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Yuba City, Ca Posts: 126	Hi Aric, Yeah, it's the footage in the timeline that's bad as well. But since I almost alway shoot in 60i I figured it was just my monitor not displaying both fields. I'll try MpegStreamclip to see if that works. Thanks everyone for your help! __________________ Vishad Novus Productions - www.novusproductions.com -

September 10th, 2007, 03:04 PM	#2
Aric Mannion Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 616	If your problem is "interlacing" I really don't think you can "fix" it. SD DVDs are interlaced, don't try to deinterlace something going to an SD DVD. Can someone else confirm this?

September 10th, 2007, 03:48 PM	#5
Andrew Kimery Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 352	Just open up a new project w/the DV/NTSC Easy Setup and all the sequence and project settings will be correct. You mentioned H.264 in your original post. What did you use h.264 for? If you are editing NTSC DV w/the intent of putting it on an SD DVD h.264 should appear anywhere in your work flow. -A

September 11th, 2007, 05:26 AM	#8
David Knaggs Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 826	Vishad, this may or may not be helpful for your particular situation, but I once had to convert some footage which looked horribly interlaced (so bad that something looked definitely wrong). I think the codec of the original footage was some sort of MPEG-2 variant and I had to convert it to a DV Quicktime movie. I used MPEG Streamclip (it's a free download from Squared5, you can Google it). I did an "Export to Quicktime" and checked the box which said "Deinterlace Video". It got rid of the "terribly interlaced" look and the resultant footage was excellent except for some slight artifacting during the quick dissolves (which wasn't really noticeable by the viewer when played at normal speed). I then put the DV Quicktime into Compressor to make the DVD assets and the resultant .m2v file maintained the excellent quality. This may not match your circumstances but I thought it worth mentioning as it could provide you with a workable option.

September 11th, 2007, 10:15 AM	#9
Aric Mannion Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 616	If your video looks good in your timeline, then the problem is not final cut. If you are having artifact issues, that can happen if h264 was not set to best, or maybe if you use studio pro, it has to recompress your h264! But if you have studio pro, you might just want to import an uncompressed quicktime to burn. (export quicktime-NOT CONVERSION from final cut for an uncompressed video.) Newer DVD studio pro will compress it for you, and under the preferences you can select two pass vbr, and bring up the bitrate (just a little or it will fail) for higher quality. If you do this you know you've done all you can. But if your video looks bad in final cut, you've got a different problem. And if studio pro does fail, throw away the folder called "mpeg" that it makes, and turn down the bitrate a little.

September 11th, 2007, 12:09 PM	#11
Aric Mannion Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 616	If the footage in your timeline is bad then make a new sequence, hold control and click on the sequence and select settings. experiment with new settings, and bring in a clip, see if it looks better. This just happened to me today, where I was given a quicktime movie and put it into the default FCP timeline. Final cut gave me an error and said that the clip doesn't match my sequence settings, it said it could change the settings to match that of the clip. I clicked OK and the clip looked awful. It was actually harsh interlacing, more than usual. I made my own sequence settings in a new sequence and brought the same clip in, and it looked great. But I had to render the whole clip to play it.

September 11th, 2007, 12:23 PM	#12
Vishad Dewan Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Yuba City, Ca Posts: 126	Yeah, thanks, Aric! I'll do that right after I finish testing with Mpeg Streamclip. I'll post how everything goes! __________________ Vishad Novus Productions - www.novusproductions.com -

September 12th, 2007, 08:46 AM	#13
Aric Mannion Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 616	actually that didn't work. I got it to look god in final cut, but after the DVD was burned it went back to an extra jagged interlaced look. I just brought it into after effects and interpretted footage, to fix it. This seems to be working so far.

September 12th, 2007, 08:55 AM	#14
Vishad Dewan Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Yuba City, Ca Posts: 126	I tried that in AE last week and it really didn't seem to work too well for me. Then again my video is about 120mins, so.... Anyway, someone else posted another way to fix this. It sounds like it could work. Here's the link http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...949#post742949. The comment is at the bottom of the post. __________________ Vishad Novus Productions - www.novusproductions.com -

September 13th, 2007, 12:56 PM	#15
Aric Mannion Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 616	Interpret footage seemed to work for me, you said you tried that already? You know to select upper or lower in the "seperate fields" drop down right? Off does nothing.