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Josh Bass · July 28th, 2006, 04:22 PM

Hi.

I was recently in contact with a dude to whom I sent a DVD with some of my shorts for screening at a festival type event. He said there were some errors with skipping, stuttery sound, that kind of thing.

It occurs to me that I've had issues before, I don't really know the cause. I was hoping someone could help with figuring out the weak link(s) in the chain.

This dude's recommendations were:

Close all other programs while burning
Use brand name DVDs
Burn at slower speed (2-4x)

I'll admit I've been dumb about some of this, doing all sorts of other things while the burn goes on, or at least leaving stuff running in the background. I DO use fujifilm DVDs, but I understand that there may be several manufacturers who make DVDs with fujifilm written on them? And I usually burn at 6 or 8x, I guess.

Other things that may be problematic - I use Roxio, 'cause my Nero won't author (gives me a "cannot create disk structure" message), and I can't justify the cost of DVD architect. I bought a burner for cheap, that I don't recall the exact brand name of. Someone on here mentioned that it existed, so I got it.

I use Vegas to edit, render my timeline/DV AVIs to MPEG-2, and use those MPEG2s to create the DVDs.

Some DVDs are fine (usually shorter movies), but some do weird things in certain spots, and those certain spots are problematic in several different DVD players. I can't specifically recall an instance where I've made a new DVD and it had the same problems in the same spots, but I can't say it's never happened. Sometimes they like to act weird near the end of a file/movie, where the credits'll freeze in the last few seconds, or it'll make a horrible screeching/growling sound after the movie's done, before it kicks back to the main menu.

I'm kind of afraid to offer anyone editing services now (not that I've really done much anyway), for fear that I'll output crap DVDs.

Anyway, that's my tale. Make of it what you will. Thanks.

Doug Boze · July 29th, 2006, 01:45 PM

Also important for burned DVDs is to keep the combined data rate below 7.3 mbs. Although the standard allows something like 9.2, it just won't work reliably on burned DVDs.

Nathaniel McInnes · July 29th, 2006, 03:38 PM

hey
can you get a dvd and turn it upside down and tell me what colour it is. is it blue, purple, gold, silver etc

Bill Hamell · July 29th, 2006, 03:53 PM

Josh,

Roxio and Nero do not play well together, you can have one or the other on your system but not both.

I was using Roxio then bought a D/L DVD drive that came with Nero.
I knew I had to remove Roxio before installing Nero so I did not have a problem.

Interesting note that Sonics DVDit does work with Nero installed even though it is a Roxio product. My guess is they are written differently.

How ever I am having a problem getting the DVDs to work on all players,
They work in all computers, my DVD player (it plays all types) they will not work in my parents DVD player in which the documentation says I am using the correct media for the player. I’ll try what Doug suggested and see what happens.

Good luck,
Bill

Nathaniel McInnes · July 29th, 2006, 04:10 PM

hey Bill Hamell tell me what the colour of the dye is on the dvds

Josh Bass · July 29th, 2006, 09:21 PM

Well, I can do more with Roxio in terms of menu layout than Nero, and Roxio will actual author the disk, so I guess Nero goes bye bye. Didn't know that about those two programs, by the way.

My discs I have right now are purple on the bottom.

My player's an NEC, I believe.

Joe Barker · July 29th, 2006, 09:42 PM

A lot depends on the players,I had the same DVD play differantly in three machines.In one it played perfect the other it skipped and the third it wouldent let me in the menue.One I had burned by an experiance company played in most machines I tried, but when I sent it to a Festival they returned it saying it would not play in thier machine.Its seems like hit and miss burning your own DVD's, and getting them to work on all brands of players.

Nathaniel McInnes · July 30th, 2006, 04:07 AM

Can some please tell me the colour of the dye on the dvd. I got a good point when asking this.

Bill Hamell · July 30th, 2006, 05:17 AM

Nathaniel,

Mine looks more purple than blue.
Bill

Nathaniel McInnes · July 30th, 2006, 07:23 AM

grade c. theres your problem if they have a purple back they are grade c(the cheapest/worse grade around) dont worry semi-pro people use these disks. even me. if you want to garentee playable on dvd players make sure they either have a blue, gold or silver backing. also make sure the bitrate is low. these disks are a little more expensive but they are almost garrenteed to play on dvd players. even 1st generation.

Richard Zlamany · July 30th, 2006, 09:52 AM

where can you buy dvd's that aren't purple? Is there a brand name?

Nathaniel McInnes · July 30th, 2006, 10:05 AM

best thing is find a DVD or video reseller which sell alot of stock e.g www.svp.co.uk. the brand to look for is taiya yuden. These i can garentee will be the best disks will ever have.

Richard Zlamany · July 30th, 2006, 12:19 PM

I am using Taiyo Yuden but the discs look purple. I buy them from Neato.

Josh Bass · July 30th, 2006, 01:23 PM

Do they sell the grade A at retailers, or do I have to order 'em somewhere? I don't need 'em that often. A stack of 50'll last me a long long time.

Glenn Davidson · July 30th, 2006, 01:40 PM

Verbatim 16x (no logo) discs are purple and they are not "C-Grade". I have found Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim to be excellent. I do not think you can go by color of the dye alone.

July 28th, 2006, 04:22 PM	#1
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Burned DVD issues Hi. I was recently in contact with a dude to whom I sent a DVD with some of my shorts for screening at a festival type event. He said there were some errors with skipping, stuttery sound, that kind of thing. It occurs to me that I've had issues before, I don't really know the cause. I was hoping someone could help with figuring out the weak link(s) in the chain. This dude's recommendations were: Close all other programs while burning Use brand name DVDs Burn at slower speed (2-4x) I'll admit I've been dumb about some of this, doing all sorts of other things while the burn goes on, or at least leaving stuff running in the background. I DO use fujifilm DVDs, but I understand that there may be several manufacturers who make DVDs with fujifilm written on them? And I usually burn at 6 or 8x, I guess. Other things that may be problematic - I use Roxio, 'cause my Nero won't author (gives me a "cannot create disk structure" message), and I can't justify the cost of DVD architect. I bought a burner for cheap, that I don't recall the exact brand name of. Someone on here mentioned that it existed, so I got it. I use Vegas to edit, render my timeline/DV AVIs to MPEG-2, and use those MPEG2s to create the DVDs. Some DVDs are fine (usually shorter movies), but some do weird things in certain spots, and those certain spots are problematic in several different DVD players. I can't specifically recall an instance where I've made a new DVD and it had the same problems in the same spots, but I can't say it's never happened. Sometimes they like to act weird near the end of a file/movie, where the credits'll freeze in the last few seconds, or it'll make a horrible screeching/growling sound after the movie's done, before it kicks back to the main menu. I'm kind of afraid to offer anyone editing services now (not that I've really done much anyway), for fear that I'll output crap DVDs. Anyway, that's my tale. Make of it what you will. Thanks. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

July 29th, 2006, 01:45 PM	#2
Doug Boze Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 218	Also important for burned DVDs is to keep the combined data rate below 7.3 mbs. Although the standard allows something like 9.2, it just won't work reliably on burned DVDs. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

July 29th, 2006, 03:53 PM	#4
Bill Hamell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mystic Ct. Posts: 477	Josh, Roxio and Nero do not play well together, you can have one or the other on your system but not both. I was using Roxio then bought a D/L DVD drive that came with Nero. I knew I had to remove Roxio before installing Nero so I did not have a problem. Interesting note that Sonics DVDit does work with Nero installed even though it is a Roxio product. My guess is they are written differently. How ever I am having a problem getting the DVDs to work on all players, They work in all computers, my DVD player (it plays all types) they will not work in my parents DVD player in which the documentation says I am using the correct media for the player. I’ll try what Doug suggested and see what happens. Good luck, Bill __________________ Cinematographers Bring Shadow To Light

July 29th, 2006, 09:21 PM	#6
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Well, I can do more with Roxio in terms of menu layout than Nero, and Roxio will actual author the disk, so I guess Nero goes bye bye. Didn't know that about those two programs, by the way. My discs I have right now are purple on the bottom. My player's an NEC, I believe. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

July 30th, 2006, 05:17 AM	#9
Bill Hamell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mystic Ct. Posts: 477	Nathaniel, Mine looks more purple than blue. Bill __________________ Cinematographers Bring Shadow To Light

July 29th, 2006, 03:38 PM	#3
Nathaniel McInnes Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Taffs well, Wales Posts: 190	hey can you get a dvd and turn it upside down and tell me what colour it is. is it blue, purple, gold, silver etc

July 29th, 2006, 04:10 PM	#5
Nathaniel McInnes Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Taffs well, Wales Posts: 190	hey Bill Hamell tell me what the colour of the dye is on the dvds

July 29th, 2006, 09:42 PM	#7
Joe Barker Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Perth WA Australia Posts: 124	A lot depends on the players,I had the same DVD play differantly in three machines.In one it played perfect the other it skipped and the third it wouldent let me in the menue.One I had burned by an experiance company played in most machines I tried, but when I sent it to a Festival they returned it saying it would not play in thier machine.Its seems like hit and miss burning your own DVD's, and getting them to work on all brands of players.

July 30th, 2006, 04:07 AM	#8
Nathaniel McInnes Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Taffs well, Wales Posts: 190	Can some please tell me the colour of the dye on the dvd. I got a good point when asking this.

July 30th, 2006, 07:23 AM	#10
Nathaniel McInnes Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Taffs well, Wales Posts: 190	grade c. theres your problem if they have a purple back they are grade c(the cheapest/worse grade around) dont worry semi-pro people use these disks. even me. if you want to garentee playable on dvd players make sure they either have a blue, gold or silver backing. also make sure the bitrate is low. these disks are a little more expensive but they are almost garrenteed to play on dvd players. even 1st generation.

July 30th, 2006, 09:52 AM	#11
Richard Zlamany Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamden CT Posts: 470	where can you buy dvd's that aren't purple? Is there a brand name?

July 30th, 2006, 10:05 AM	#12
Nathaniel McInnes Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Taffs well, Wales Posts: 190	best thing is find a DVD or video reseller which sell alot of stock e.g www.svp.co.uk. the brand to look for is taiya yuden. These i can garentee will be the best disks will ever have.

July 30th, 2006, 12:19 PM	#13
Richard Zlamany Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamden CT Posts: 470	I am using Taiyo Yuden but the discs look purple. I buy them from Neato.

July 30th, 2006, 01:23 PM	#14
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Do they sell the grade A at retailers, or do I have to order 'em somewhere? I don't need 'em that often. A stack of 50'll last me a long long time. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

July 30th, 2006, 01:40 PM	#15
Glenn Davidson Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Nevada City, California Posts: 499	Verbatim 16x (no logo) discs are purple and they are not "C-Grade". I have found Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim to be excellent. I do not think you can go by color of the dye alone.