Adobe Encore -- various topics

Julian Luttrell · March 8th, 2004, 03:08 AM

Pinnacle Impression also claims to support multi-angle. Though you might want to check the Pinnacle web boards to see just how reliably it works.

Julian

Rob Lohman · March 8th, 2004, 03:18 AM

I stand corrected. BUT, reading the specifications it only seems
to do 2 angles max! That's an important thing to know. All the
other mentioned products support the maximum number of
angles on a DVD which is 9

Glen Elliott · March 8th, 2004, 11:21 AM

Hmmm all I would "need" is 2 angles. Wonder how good Pinnacle Impression is- anyone ever work with it?

George Ellis · March 9th, 2004, 02:14 PM

I do not have it, but the discussion on the Liquid Edition board compares and contrasts it DVD Lab. It is a little outdated, but works well from the chatter. List is $199.

Barry Gribble · March 22nd, 2004, 06:16 PM

I am using Premiere Pro and Encore to create a DVD that has some titles in the beginning. The titles appear at different points in the timeline... for instance, it starts with a graphic at time 1, title one comes in at time 2, and title two comes in at time 3. Then they go away and it happens a few more times with different titles.

The look beautiful in the timeline, and the look beautiful in the exported final AVI file, but when I create the DVD with Encore the time sequencing of when the titles is all messed up. I have title one appearing with the graphic, on one sequence. I have titles one and two appearing at the same time on another. It is confounding to me. There is music going on beneath this, and it is playing fluidly.

Though the titles sequencing appears random, it is strictly determined by something because it is completely consistent in its mis-timing. I just checked in Encore and it works exactly the same way in the preview mode - i.e. messed up.

What could possibly cause a fully-functional AVI file to scramble itself that way? Are the titles stored as text in the AVI file? I always assumed they were bitmaps in there, but this definitely argues against that.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Rob Lohman · March 24th, 2004, 02:23 AM

This is a bit confusing. There are two ways to do titles. One is
incorporated into the video. Nothing should be able to change
this. The other is as an overlay bitmap which gets turned into
a subtitle in the DVD format. In theory this could be messed up.

If the titles should be part of the video, why not render to MPEG2
directly from Premiere and load that into Encore. Then Encore
should not do its own encoding since the file is already DVD
compatible.

Barry Gribble · March 24th, 2004, 08:15 AM

Rob,

Thanks for the input. Yes, I am confused as you are... they are not subtitles, they are in the video in the AVI.... strange...

I would love to render to MPEG2, but that is not an option on my menu... do I have to download a separate Codec to put that on the export option list? If so, do you know where to get it?

Thanks again.

Pete Bauer · March 24th, 2004, 08:37 AM

Barry,

Hmmm, I'm puzzled as well. If the whole sequence has been rendered to AVI (which works properly) and then imported into Encore, I can't imagine how the titles could then subsequently shift within the rendered timeline. But agree it might be worth a try to render directly to MPEG2 from PremierPro...

PP uses the MainConcept MPEG encoder "right out of the box" so you shouldn't have to buy anything else to do it. The menu and dialog box structure is a little different than previous versions of Premier, but it is there.

I'm at work and can't quite remember the exact navigation to export to MPEG, but I think it is in the File menu...Export...Adobe Media Encoder, and then choose your preferred format and codecs from the dialog boxes and drop down menus.

If no logical reason for this is discovered, please do email Adobe so any bug causing this can be ID'ed and hopefully fixed in an update.

Brian Huey · March 24th, 2004, 12:40 PM

Might be worth checking the Encore forum over at Adobe to see if anyone has had a similar problem and to post this question over there. Hope you get it worked out.

Jake Sawyer · December 31st, 2004, 08:04 PM

Hey guys. I have a problem I need solved. When I start the dvd up it goes to the first menu which has two buttons.

One is "play movie" and the other is "special features". Then when you click on "special features" it goes to the next menu and has thumbnails you can press on to see extended interviews etc. So, after you watch the interview it goes back to the "special features" menu.

Now, I want to beable to press the menu button on the remote to link back to the first menu which has the "play movie" and "special features" buttons. I'm using Encore 1.0. I've looked at Adobes Encore tutorials and forums, but haven't found an answer to solve my problem. How can I do this? Thanks.

Jake Sawyer · January 2nd, 2005, 09:03 PM

Anybody know how to solve this?

Andrew J Hall · February 24th, 2005, 03:03 PM

I am going to be making dvd's - editing with Premiere Pro 1.5. I am wondering what Encore DVD does for me versus using the various Nero tools for the authoring step. I know very little about dvd authoring though I have done heaps of video editing for web and VHS delivery.

Andrew Hall

Aanarav Sareen · February 24th, 2005, 11:53 PM

Nero is not an advanced DVD authoring app. You will be very happy with Encore DVD. Take a look at http://www.wrigleyvideo.com/videotutorial for excellent tutorials.

Rob Lohman · February 26th, 2005, 05:30 AM

The basic Nero stuff can just create a movie-only disc (although I
do believe there are some more advanced Nero tools out there
or coming out).

Encore DVD is a DVD authoring program. Authoring programs take
your elements (video, audio and stills etc.) and combines them
into a DVD.

What this allows you to do is:

- add multiple movies
- create (motion) menus (you need to create stills from the video or a paint program) that can link to each other (think main menu, chapter selection menu, extra's menu etc.)
- add subtitling

etc.

Dan Euritt · February 26th, 2005, 01:27 PM

i believe that premiere pro includes the mainconcept mpeg encoder, which is probably better than whatever encoder you'll get with nero... but test it to see for yourself.

your market may be satisfied with whatever the limits of nero authoring are; you can, for instance, put the photo sequences to music with premiere, then just encode it all as part of the timeline with the mainconcept encoder... then set up your chapter links in nero(you'll need that capability at a minimum).

i tend to believe that dvd's work better in general, and are maybe more compatible, when you use only one long mpeg2 file, as opposed to authoring in multiple seperate elements.

you can also use a seperate program for authoring the menu, i like the program that mediachance has created... see if nero will import menus.

cheaper alternatives than encore would include dvdlab pro, from mediachance... it'll do things that you can't do with encore, but it may not be as easy to use for a beginner.

March 8th, 2004, 03:18 AM	#32
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I stand corrected. BUT, reading the specifications it only seems to do 2 angles max! That's an important thing to know. All the other mentioned products support the maximum number of angles on a DVD which is 9 __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 22nd, 2004, 06:16 PM	#35
Barry Gribble Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 817	Sync Problem with Titles - PP and Encore I am using Premiere Pro and Encore to create a DVD that has some titles in the beginning. The titles appear at different points in the timeline... for instance, it starts with a graphic at time 1, title one comes in at time 2, and title two comes in at time 3. Then they go away and it happens a few more times with different titles. The look beautiful in the timeline, and the look beautiful in the exported final AVI file, but when I create the DVD with Encore the time sequencing of when the titles is all messed up. I have title one appearing with the graphic, on one sequence. I have titles one and two appearing at the same time on another. It is confounding to me. There is music going on beneath this, and it is playing fluidly. Though the titles sequencing appears random, it is strictly determined by something because it is completely consistent in its mis-timing. I just checked in Encore and it works exactly the same way in the preview mode - i.e. messed up. What could possibly cause a fully-functional AVI file to scramble itself that way? Are the titles stored as text in the AVI file? I always assumed they were bitmaps in there, but this definitely argues against that. Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

March 24th, 2004, 02:23 AM	#36
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	This is a bit confusing. There are two ways to do titles. One is incorporated into the video. Nothing should be able to change this. The other is as an overlay bitmap which gets turned into a subtitle in the DVD format. In theory this could be messed up. If the titles should be part of the video, why not render to MPEG2 directly from Premiere and load that into Encore. Then Encore should not do its own encoding since the file is already DVD compatible. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 24th, 2004, 08:37 AM	#38
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Barry, Hmmm, I'm puzzled as well. If the whole sequence has been rendered to AVI (which works properly) and then imported into Encore, I can't imagine how the titles could then subsequently shift within the rendered timeline. But agree it might be worth a try to render directly to MPEG2 from PremierPro... PP uses the MainConcept MPEG encoder "right out of the box" so you shouldn't have to buy anything else to do it. The menu and dialog box structure is a little different than previous versions of Premier, but it is there. I'm at work and can't quite remember the exact navigation to export to MPEG, but I think it is in the File menu...Export...Adobe Media Encoder, and then choose your preferred format and codecs from the dialog boxes and drop down menus. If no logical reason for this is discovered, please do email Adobe so any bug causing this can be ID'ed and hopefully fixed in an update. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

December 31st, 2004, 08:04 PM	#40
Jake Sawyer Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 48	Encore menu button on remote linking problem Hey guys. I have a problem I need solved. When I start the dvd up it goes to the first menu which has two buttons. One is "play movie" and the other is "special features". Then when you click on "special features" it goes to the next menu and has thumbnails you can press on to see extended interviews etc. So, after you watch the interview it goes back to the "special features" menu. Now, I want to beable to press the menu button on the remote to link back to the first menu which has the "play movie" and "special features" buttons. I'm using Encore 1.0. I've looked at Adobes Encore tutorials and forums, but haven't found an answer to solve my problem. How can I do this? Thanks.

March 8th, 2004, 03:08 AM	#31
Julian Luttrell Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 164	Pinnacle Impression also claims to support multi-angle. Though you might want to check the Pinnacle web boards to see just how reliably it works. Julian

March 8th, 2004, 11:21 AM	#33
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Hmmm all I would "need" is 2 angles. Wonder how good Pinnacle Impression is- anyone ever work with it?

March 9th, 2004, 02:14 PM	#34
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	I do not have it, but the discussion on the Liquid Edition board compares and contrasts it DVD Lab. It is a little outdated, but works well from the chatter. List is $199.

March 24th, 2004, 08:15 AM	#37
Barry Gribble Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 817	Rob, Thanks for the input. Yes, I am confused as you are... they are not subtitles, they are in the video in the AVI.... strange... I would love to render to MPEG2, but that is not an option on my menu... do I have to download a separate Codec to put that on the export option list? If so, do you know where to get it? Thanks again.

March 24th, 2004, 12:40 PM	#39
Brian Huey Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Seattle , WA Posts: 184	Might be worth checking the Encore forum over at Adobe to see if anyone has had a similar problem and to post this question over there. Hope you get it worked out.

January 2nd, 2005, 09:03 PM	#41
Jake Sawyer Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 48	Anybody know how to solve this?

February 24th, 2005, 03:03 PM	#42
Andrew J Hall Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 80	Do I need Encore DVD I am going to be making dvd's - editing with Premiere Pro 1.5. I am wondering what Encore DVD does for me versus using the various Nero tools for the authoring step. I know very little about dvd authoring though I have done heaps of video editing for web and VHS delivery. Andrew Hall __________________ http://www.ps-scripts.com/ Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz, 2x 2Gb Ram, ATI Radeon HD 3850

February 24th, 2005, 11:53 PM	#43
Aanarav Sareen Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NJ, US Posts: 183	Nero is not an advanced DVD authoring app. You will be very happy with Encore DVD. Take a look at http://www.wrigleyvideo.com/videotutorial for excellent tutorials. __________________ http://www.sareen.tv

February 26th, 2005, 05:30 AM	#44
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	The basic Nero stuff can just create a movie-only disc (although I do believe there are some more advanced Nero tools out there or coming out). Encore DVD is a DVD authoring program. Authoring programs take your elements (video, audio and stills etc.) and combines them into a DVD. What this allows you to do is: - add multiple movies - create (motion) menus (you need to create stills from the video or a paint program) that can link to each other (think main menu, chapter selection menu, extra's menu etc.) - add subtitling etc. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 26th, 2005, 01:27 PM	#45
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	i believe that premiere pro includes the mainconcept mpeg encoder, which is probably better than whatever encoder you'll get with nero... but test it to see for yourself. your market may be satisfied with whatever the limits of nero authoring are; you can, for instance, put the photo sequences to music with premiere, then just encode it all as part of the timeline with the mainconcept encoder... then set up your chapter links in nero(you'll need that capability at a minimum). i tend to believe that dvd's work better in general, and are maybe more compatible, when you use only one long mpeg2 file, as opposed to authoring in multiple seperate elements. you can also use a seperate program for authoring the menu, i like the program that mediachance has created... see if nero will import menus. cheaper alternatives than encore would include dvdlab pro, from mediachance... it'll do things that you can't do with encore, but it may not be as easy to use for a beginner.