Can I Copy Protect My DVD's at DVinfo.net

Paul Gray · May 14th, 2005, 01:05 AM

I recently taped a nurse graduation/pinning ceremony for a combined two schools. One school bent over backward and purchased multiple copies. the other school's students now have reverted from their original order of 30 to a whopping ONE copy. Wonder what they have in mind? How do I record DVD's to eliminate someone copying them.

Paul
Studio 27
Bowling Green KY

Giroud Francois · May 14th, 2005, 03:53 AM

You can not.
So it is silly to sell media or make the price of a work based on media sold (or expected to sell). Refuse this arrangement.
You sell a movie or your work on a movie.
They want just the movie, sell on per hours of work or pre-agreed project price basis and give them the tape.
They want a DVD ? sell the conversion/authoring work on DVD-R Master (1 copy).
Price it a decent price (equivalent to 20 DVD in your case?) and allow them to make any copies they need.
They want more DVD ? sell them as per item duplicated. If you are good, the price proposed should dissuade them to do it elsewhere.
If you are smart, you can make a really nice "Master", on high quality DVD-R, with nice print and original box, so it will be difficult (or costly) for them to duplicate this nice work, so they will probably come back to you for duplication.

Cliff Elliott · May 14th, 2005, 06:22 PM

Paul it depends on the Authoring software you are using, until recently I was using Ulead DVD Workshop SE. This software did not have copy protection but now I have up graded to the full version DVD Workshop 2 I can now apply Macrovision copy protection systems to my authored work.

Hope this helps.

Regards, Cliff Elliott

Dan Euritt · May 14th, 2005, 06:25 PM

you can apply the macrovision copy protection, but it won't work on dvd's that you burn.

Cliff Elliott · May 14th, 2005, 07:29 PM

Thanks for the info Dan, I just assumed it would work on projects no matter what the final out put would be, either burnt or pressed.

I will have to re read the manual more closely.

Regards, Cliff Elliott

Peter Jefferson · May 15th, 2005, 03:17 AM

"This software did not have copy protection but now I have up graded to the full version DVD Workshop 2 I can now apply Macrovision copy protection systems to my authored work"

Macrovision and CSS data are for pressing plants.. they have no affect within a DVD process which is using achemical based media.. for one, the storage requirements for these schemes are LARGE.. not to mention the licensing fees required to actually have the capabilites of embedding this to your project..

Its a shame, i totally feel for you mate.. ive had a corporate party of over 4000 guests preorder theyre copies (abotu 2000 copies all up) i was going to get this outsourced.. a week later, 7/8s of those orders were cancelled much in the same situation you were in..

but even if we do have the ability to include this kind of protection, people use programs like dvdshrink3 to bypass it anywya.. they only hav to do this once to ruin you...

Rhett Allen · May 15th, 2005, 03:51 PM

I agree with Giroud, but it depends on the initial terms you agreed to. If the deal was for 30 and now they only want one, I don't think I would even sell it to them, or make your minimum order 30 DVD's and let them worry about selling them. To go from 30 down to 1 is sketchy. Maybe you can sell it directly to the person who wants it but I'm pretty sure you're about to get ripped off. As for the other school, make certain you put "their" name ALL OVER the DVD, that way the students from the other school (the one trying to screw you) can't get a friend from the first school to make a dupe for them without it having the wrong school name on it.

The other issue is, next time sell the service, not the duplications.

I hope it all works out.

Jay Gladwell · May 15th, 2005, 05:21 PM

I agree with Rhett. Tell them all bets are off.

If they are still interested, tell them to pay, in advance, for the 30 copies, which you will gladly deliver once the check has cleared than bank.

Or... simply charge for the one what 50 copies would cost.

Jay

May 14th, 2005, 01:05 AM	#1
Paul Gray New Boot Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bowling Green KY Posts: 6	Can I Copy Protect My DVD's I recently taped a nurse graduation/pinning ceremony for a combined two schools. One school bent over backward and purchased multiple copies. the other school's students now have reverted from their original order of 30 to a whopping ONE copy. Wonder what they have in mind? How do I record DVD's to eliminate someone copying them. Paul Studio 27 Bowling Green KY __________________ The reward for a thing well done, is to have done it. Jonas Salk April 12, 1955 (upon announcing the successful vaccine for polio) Paul

May 14th, 2005, 03:53 AM	#2
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	You can not. So it is silly to sell media or make the price of a work based on media sold (or expected to sell). Refuse this arrangement. You sell a movie or your work on a movie. They want just the movie, sell on per hours of work or pre-agreed project price basis and give them the tape. They want a DVD ? sell the conversion/authoring work on DVD-R Master (1 copy). Price it a decent price (equivalent to 20 DVD in your case?) and allow them to make any copies they need. They want more DVD ? sell them as per item duplicated. If you are good, the price proposed should dissuade them to do it elsewhere. If you are smart, you can make a really nice "Master", on high quality DVD-R, with nice print and original box, so it will be difficult (or costly) for them to duplicate this nice work, so they will probably come back to you for duplication. Last edited by Giroud Francois; May 14th, 2005 at 04:27 AM.

May 14th, 2005, 06:22 PM	#3
Cliff Elliott Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 71	Paul it depends on the Authoring software you are using, until recently I was using Ulead DVD Workshop SE. This software did not have copy protection but now I have up graded to the full version DVD Workshop 2 I can now apply Macrovision copy protection systems to my authored work. Hope this helps. Regards, Cliff Elliott

May 14th, 2005, 06:25 PM	#4
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	you can apply the macrovision copy protection, but it won't work on dvd's that you burn.

May 14th, 2005, 07:29 PM	#5
Cliff Elliott Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 71	Thanks for the info Dan, I just assumed it would work on projects no matter what the final out put would be, either burnt or pressed. I will have to re read the manual more closely. Regards, Cliff Elliott

May 15th, 2005, 03:17 AM	#6
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	"This software did not have copy protection but now I have up graded to the full version DVD Workshop 2 I can now apply Macrovision copy protection systems to my authored work" Macrovision and CSS data are for pressing plants.. they have no affect within a DVD process which is using achemical based media.. for one, the storage requirements for these schemes are LARGE.. not to mention the licensing fees required to actually have the capabilites of embedding this to your project.. Its a shame, i totally feel for you mate.. ive had a corporate party of over 4000 guests preorder theyre copies (abotu 2000 copies all up) i was going to get this outsourced.. a week later, 7/8s of those orders were cancelled much in the same situation you were in.. but even if we do have the ability to include this kind of protection, people use programs like dvdshrink3 to bypass it anywya.. they only hav to do this once to ruin you...

May 15th, 2005, 03:51 PM	#7
Rhett Allen Major Player Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 607	I agree with Giroud, but it depends on the initial terms you agreed to. If the deal was for 30 and now they only want one, I don't think I would even sell it to them, or make your minimum order 30 DVD's and let them worry about selling them. To go from 30 down to 1 is sketchy. Maybe you can sell it directly to the person who wants it but I'm pretty sure you're about to get ripped off. As for the other school, make certain you put "their" name ALL OVER the DVD, that way the students from the other school (the one trying to screw you) can't get a friend from the first school to make a dupe for them without it having the wrong school name on it. The other issue is, next time sell the service, not the duplications. I hope it all works out.

May 15th, 2005, 05:21 PM	#8
Jay Gladwell Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,244	I agree with Rhett. Tell them all bets are off. If they are still interested, tell them to pay, in advance, for the 30 copies, which you will gladly deliver once the check has cleared than bank. Or... simply charge for the one what 50 copies would cost. Jay