Text Editing on DVD at DVinfo.net

Ron Mathew · March 16th, 2005, 01:57 PM

Hello Everyone,
I am a newbie here and I hope you will be patient with my questions. I did a search and I could not find the answers.
I just recently had a DVD done for me and I need to add some text editing. I purchased a DVD burner and it came with Nero Express 3 (I upgraded to a 6 demo version) & Nero Expressvision 2. This software doesn't seem to be able to save text editing on a DVD. I mean I can edit it but if I try to burn a DVD it it won't work.
Am I doing something wrong or does Nero not work for this? Can you recommend any inexpensive editing software (keep in mind, my computer is a 500mz - 256mb RAM)?
Thanks for any help!
Ron

Rob Lohman · March 19th, 2005, 05:13 AM

Hello Ron, welcome aboard (H)DVInfo.net!

I have no idea what this "text editing" is you are talking about.

Are you talking about subtitles? Menu screens?
What is the end result you are looking for?

Ron Mathew · March 19th, 2005, 10:22 AM

I'm talking about adding subtitles.

Rob Lohman · March 19th, 2005, 10:49 AM

You need a proper DVD authoring application (instead of a DVD
burning application) to do things like subtitles.

Ron Mathew · March 20th, 2005, 02:44 AM

Do you have any suggestions?

David Hurdon · March 20th, 2005, 11:06 AM

Ron, if by DVD you mean DVD Video, what you have on the disk is a folder called Video_TS and one called Audio_TS. These are the product of authoring software, like Adobe Encore, Sony Architect, MyDVD, etc. Some applications allow for editing of a "finished" project, if that option is selected as the project develops, but it's quite unlikely that someone making a DVD Video for you would have chosen that option, and if they had, it would only be available in the same software they used. There are ways to take apart what's on the DVD and start more or less from scratch in an editor, like Premiere/Vegas/Avid and so on, but they aren't for the feint of heart.

David Hurdon

David Hurdon · March 20th, 2005, 12:58 PM

Ron, if by DVD you mean DVD Video, what you have on the disk is a folder called Video_TS and one called Audio_TS. These are the product of authoring software, like Adobe Encore, Sony Architect, MyDVD, etc. Some applications allow for editing of a "finished" project, if that option is selected as the project develops, but it's quite unlikely that someone making a DVD Video for you would have chosen that option, and if they had, it would only be available in the same software they used. There are ways to take apart what's on the DVD and start more or less from scratch in an editor, like Premiere/Vegas/Avid and so on, but they aren't for the feint of heart.

David Hurdon

Ron Mathew · March 20th, 2005, 01:09 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by David Hurdon : Ron, if by DVD you mean DVD Video, what you have on the disk is a folder called Video_TS and one called Audio_TS.
Yes, David, It's DVD Video and I've already been playing with these files using the NERO software and it won't allow me to save the finished product after I added titles and I've wasted lots of time doing this.
These are the product of authoring software, like Adobe Encore, Sony Architect, MyDVD, etc.
Have you heard of Roxio Easy Media Creator? Do you know if it can add titles?
Some applications allow for editing of a "finished" project, if that option is selected as the project develops, but it's quite unlikely that someone making a DVD Video for you would have chosen that option, and if they had, it would only be available in the same software they used.
The people that did my DVD used a MAC and I can't use that software.
There are ways to take apart what's on the DVD and start more or less from scratch in an editor, like Premiere/Vegas/Avid and so on, but they aren't for the feint of heart.
I'm willing to give it a try. Thanks for your help.
Ron Leibel

David Hurdon -->>>

David Hurdon · March 21st, 2005, 06:46 AM

It will be helpful, Ron, if you are familiar with the concept of layers and compositing. You've seen clear acetates such as are used with an overhead projector. If you had three of them, each with different content, and you laid them one on top of the other, each one could be considered a layer. When you edit video, and when you create video DVD in authoring software, you create layers of imagery, even if only a movie and a text title overtop. That's two layers. When you export a movie from an editor, or burn a video DVD the layers are flattened into one image. You can't separate them after the fact. So your challenge is to rip the VOB files, convert them to AVI, re-edit with sub-titles added, or add subtitles in the authoring software, if it has the capability to do so - most/all moderately priced choices don't. I certainly don't claim to know the only way to do this, but the way I would do it, if I had to, is time consuming, degrades image quality and requires both possession and knowledge of several pieces of software in the process.

David Hurdon

Ron Mathew · March 21st, 2005, 11:17 AM

I had no idea it would be so difficult. When I looked at the Nerovision software it looked simple except you couldn't save it. I went through each scene added a title and it seemed to be easy. I guess it may not be that easy. Anyway thanks for your help, David and I will continue my search. I will be gone for about 3 weeks so I may not be able to answer any posts.

March 16th, 2005, 01:57 PM	#1
Ron Mathew New Boot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver. BC Posts: 5	Text Editing on DVD Hello Everyone, I am a newbie here and I hope you will be patient with my questions. I did a search and I could not find the answers. I just recently had a DVD done for me and I need to add some text editing. I purchased a DVD burner and it came with Nero Express 3 (I upgraded to a 6 demo version) & Nero Expressvision 2. This software doesn't seem to be able to save text editing on a DVD. I mean I can edit it but if I try to burn a DVD it it won't work. Am I doing something wrong or does Nero not work for this? Can you recommend any inexpensive editing software (keep in mind, my computer is a 500mz - 256mb RAM)? Thanks for any help! Ron

March 19th, 2005, 05:13 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Hello Ron, welcome aboard (H)DVInfo.net! I have no idea what this "text editing" is you are talking about. Are you talking about subtitles? Menu screens? What is the end result you are looking for? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 19th, 2005, 10:49 AM	#4
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	You need a proper DVD authoring application (instead of a DVD burning application) to do things like subtitles. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 20th, 2005, 11:06 AM	#6
David Hurdon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 484	Ron, if by DVD you mean DVD Video, what you have on the disk is a folder called Video_TS and one called Audio_TS. These are the product of authoring software, like Adobe Encore, Sony Architect, MyDVD, etc. Some applications allow for editing of a "finished" project, if that option is selected as the project develops, but it's quite unlikely that someone making a DVD Video for you would have chosen that option, and if they had, it would only be available in the same software they used. There are ways to take apart what's on the DVD and start more or less from scratch in an editor, like Premiere/Vegas/Avid and so on, but they aren't for the feint of heart. David Hurdon __________________ Site:http://www.faceliftmarketing.ca Blog:http://www.websitevideo.blogspot.com

March 20th, 2005, 12:58 PM	#7
David Hurdon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 484	Ron, if by DVD you mean DVD Video, what you have on the disk is a folder called Video_TS and one called Audio_TS. These are the product of authoring software, like Adobe Encore, Sony Architect, MyDVD, etc. Some applications allow for editing of a "finished" project, if that option is selected as the project develops, but it's quite unlikely that someone making a DVD Video for you would have chosen that option, and if they had, it would only be available in the same software they used. There are ways to take apart what's on the DVD and start more or less from scratch in an editor, like Premiere/Vegas/Avid and so on, but they aren't for the feint of heart. David Hurdon __________________ Site:http://www.faceliftmarketing.ca Blog:http://www.websitevideo.blogspot.com

March 19th, 2005, 10:22 AM	#3
Ron Mathew New Boot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver. BC Posts: 5	I'm talking about adding subtitles.

March 20th, 2005, 02:44 AM	#5
Ron Mathew New Boot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver. BC Posts: 5	Do you have any suggestions?

March 20th, 2005, 01:09 PM	#8
Ron Mathew New Boot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver. BC Posts: 5	<<<-- Originally posted by David Hurdon : Ron, if by DVD you mean DVD Video, what you have on the disk is a folder called Video_TS and one called Audio_TS. Yes, David, It's DVD Video and I've already been playing with these files using the NERO software and it won't allow me to save the finished product after I added titles and I've wasted lots of time doing this. These are the product of authoring software, like Adobe Encore, Sony Architect, MyDVD, etc. Have you heard of Roxio Easy Media Creator? Do you know if it can add titles? Some applications allow for editing of a "finished" project, if that option is selected as the project develops, but it's quite unlikely that someone making a DVD Video for you would have chosen that option, and if they had, it would only be available in the same software they used. The people that did my DVD used a MAC and I can't use that software. There are ways to take apart what's on the DVD and start more or less from scratch in an editor, like Premiere/Vegas/Avid and so on, but they aren't for the feint of heart. I'm willing to give it a try. Thanks for your help. Ron Leibel David Hurdon -->>>

March 21st, 2005, 06:46 AM	#9
David Hurdon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 484	It will be helpful, Ron, if you are familiar with the concept of layers and compositing. You've seen clear acetates such as are used with an overhead projector. If you had three of them, each with different content, and you laid them one on top of the other, each one could be considered a layer. When you edit video, and when you create video DVD in authoring software, you create layers of imagery, even if only a movie and a text title overtop. That's two layers. When you export a movie from an editor, or burn a video DVD the layers are flattened into one image. You can't separate them after the fact. So your challenge is to rip the VOB files, convert them to AVI, re-edit with sub-titles added, or add subtitles in the authoring software, if it has the capability to do so - most/all moderately priced choices don't. I certainly don't claim to know the only way to do this, but the way I would do it, if I had to, is time consuming, degrades image quality and requires both possession and knowledge of several pieces of software in the process. David Hurdon __________________ Site:http://www.faceliftmarketing.ca Blog:http://www.websitevideo.blogspot.com

March 21st, 2005, 11:17 AM	#10
Ron Mathew New Boot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver. BC Posts: 5	I had no idea it would be so difficult. When I looked at the Nerovision software it looked simple except you couldn't save it. I went through each scene added a title and it seemed to be easy. I guess it may not be that easy. Anyway thanks for your help, David and I will continue my search. I will be gone for about 3 weeks so I may not be able to answer any posts.