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Peter Jefferson · May 30th, 2004, 06:31 AM

jsut wondering if anyoen knows which DVD authoriing applcations actually support this format?

Ive been lookin everywhere, but cant seem to be able to find any info anywhere...

any ideas would be greatly appreciated

Peter Moore · May 30th, 2004, 08:42 AM

Adobe DVD encore does. You can write to DLT. We don't know if it'll work with DL DVD+R yet.

Also the high end packages, Maestro, Scenarist, etc., all obviously do.

The reviews of the DRU700A seem to suggest the included software by Nero supports dual layer authoring as well but I can't confirm this.

Rob Lohman · May 30th, 2004, 09:03 AM

Peter's answer is good, but I do feel a bit unclear. Basically we
don't know yet which software supports this.

Yes, a lot of DVD authoring applications support dual layer DVD's
when they are going to a replication facility onto DLT tapes.

Whether this will be compatible with DVD R DL is a whole different
matter that remains to be seen.

The only thing that is known is that Nero is being shipped with the
new burners with support for the format (you can't yet download
a version with this supports in it!!).

Authoring packages remains to be seen / tested!

Peter Moore · May 30th, 2004, 02:13 PM

Well, if he's talking about DVD+R DL that's one thing, but if he means plain old vanilla DLT-based DVD-9, then the answer is Encore, Maestro, and Scenarist.

Whether you will be able to use those packages to make DVD-9s that can burn to DVD+R DLs is unknown. It depends on whether you can set a layer break in the burning application (like Nero). Since the authoring software doesn't necessarily care where the layer break is (Maestro, for example, does not recompile the project after you set the layer break point - the only thing the breakpoint affects is where in the mastering process you swap DLTs). It's entirely possible the new Nero will take any existing DVD video project and allow you to set a layer breakpoint at any chapter point. If so you will definitely be able to use Encore, etc., with it. If not, you will be required to use Nero's authoring software.

Pete Bauer · May 30th, 2004, 03:24 PM

According to the Adobe Encore FAQ, version 1.5 does not natively support the new dual layer burners themselves, but does create disc images for dual layer discs...you'd create a disc image in Encore and then actually burn it with 3rd party software (presumably, hopefully bundled with the burner).

I'm a little surprised that they are just now releasing software (Encore 1.5 and the rest of the latest iteration of the Video Collection) that doesn't support these new drives. Just guessing it would have delayed the Collection's release and that Adobe will simply update their software in fairly short order to natively support prosumers with dual layer drives so as to keep up with the competition.

http://www.adobe.com/products/encore...encore_faq.pdf

Ben Gurvich · May 30th, 2004, 06:18 PM

<<<-- in the mastering process you swap DLTs). . -->>>

excuse my ignorance, but what are Dlt's and what is the process of swapping them

Peter Moore · May 30th, 2004, 09:33 PM

Digital Linear Tapes = tape cartridges that you write your DVD project to and send to the DVD replicator to actually make your discs off of. A DVD-9 requires a DLT for each layer, so the authoring software writes the first layer to the DLT, then prompts you to insert the next tape for the 2nd layer.

Ben Gurvich · May 30th, 2004, 10:02 PM

are they like backup tape drives?
do u haveto submit on these disks could u givethem a protable hard disk?

Rob Lohman · May 31st, 2004, 04:48 AM

Yes they are backup tape drives.

Whether or not you can submit your dual layer DVD onto tape
or also a harddisk depends on the company that is going to press
your discs. Some companies might accept a harddisk (but you
will also need to talk about what format is on there) but I doubt
most will. The standard is DLT. I also heard of some companies
accepting 2 DVD recordables for a dual layer DVD, but I'm not
sure how this would work.

Peter M: I was going with the understanding that Peter J was
talking about the new DL recordables indeed. But if he is talking
about pressed DVD's I retract my statement <g>

Let's wait till we hear from Peter J. on this....

Peter Moore · May 31st, 2004, 07:42 AM

When I did my first (and so far only :) ) DVD-9 project, I used Acutrack and they accepted two DVD-Rs. They also required the Maestro .lay file. I think what they did was took the contents of the two DVD-Rs and recombined them on their hard drive, then used Maestro to master to DLTs. It's the only way to go for DVD-9 replication, IMO, because then you're not the one at risk of making a mistake (which seems to be incredibly easy).

Ben Gurvich · May 31st, 2004, 07:54 AM

Cheers Rob, thx for the info.net

Peter Jefferson · May 31st, 2004, 08:33 PM

youd tink considering that Sony released the Drive that DVD Architect would at least have a patch out by now to also support the drive... being made by the same manufacturere,, it woudl b the smartest way to merket both products.. oh well..

Peter Moore · May 31st, 2004, 09:26 PM

I'd be surprised if they didn't. There's no media out yet, so there's no rush on a patch. Plus, based on Adobe's response regarding Encore, it sounds like any authoring system capable of producing > 4.7 GB projects will be able to be burned onto these discs using Nero.

May 30th, 2004, 06:31 AM	#1
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	Dual Layer DVD and supported SW jsut wondering if anyoen knows which DVD authoriing applcations actually support this format? Ive been lookin everywhere, but cant seem to be able to find any info anywhere... any ideas would be greatly appreciated

May 30th, 2004, 09:03 AM	#3
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Peter's answer is good, but I do feel a bit unclear. Basically we don't know yet which software supports this. Yes, a lot of DVD authoring applications support dual layer DVD's when they are going to a replication facility onto DLT tapes. Whether this will be compatible with DVD R DL is a whole different matter that remains to be seen. The only thing that is known is that Nero is being shipped with the new burners with support for the format (you can't yet download a version with this supports in it!!). Authoring packages remains to be seen / tested! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 30th, 2004, 03:24 PM	#5
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	According to the Adobe Encore FAQ, version 1.5 does not natively support the new dual layer burners themselves, but does create disc images for dual layer discs...you'd create a disc image in Encore and then actually burn it with 3rd party software (presumably, hopefully bundled with the burner). I'm a little surprised that they are just now releasing software (Encore 1.5 and the rest of the latest iteration of the Video Collection) that doesn't support these new drives. Just guessing it would have delayed the Collection's release and that Adobe will simply update their software in fairly short order to natively support prosumers with dual layer drives so as to keep up with the competition. http://www.adobe.com/products/encore...encore_faq.pdf __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

May 31st, 2004, 04:48 AM	#9
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Yes they are backup tape drives. Whether or not you can submit your dual layer DVD onto tape or also a harddisk depends on the company that is going to press your discs. Some companies might accept a harddisk (but you will also need to talk about what format is on there) but I doubt most will. The standard is DLT. I also heard of some companies accepting 2 DVD recordables for a dual layer DVD, but I'm not sure how this would work. Peter M: I was going with the understanding that Peter J was talking about the new DL recordables indeed. But if he is talking about pressed DVD's I retract my statement <g> Let's wait till we hear from Peter J. on this.... __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 30th, 2004, 08:42 AM	#2
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Adobe DVD encore does. You can write to DLT. We don't know if it'll work with DL DVD+R yet. Also the high end packages, Maestro, Scenarist, etc., all obviously do. The reviews of the DRU700A seem to suggest the included software by Nero supports dual layer authoring as well but I can't confirm this.

May 30th, 2004, 02:13 PM	#4
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Well, if he's talking about DVD+R DL that's one thing, but if he means plain old vanilla DLT-based DVD-9, then the answer is Encore, Maestro, and Scenarist. Whether you will be able to use those packages to make DVD-9s that can burn to DVD+R DLs is unknown. It depends on whether you can set a layer break in the burning application (like Nero). Since the authoring software doesn't necessarily care where the layer break is (Maestro, for example, does not recompile the project after you set the layer break point - the only thing the breakpoint affects is where in the mastering process you swap DLTs). It's entirely possible the new Nero will take any existing DVD video project and allow you to set a layer breakpoint at any chapter point. If so you will definitely be able to use Encore, etc., with it. If not, you will be required to use Nero's authoring software.

May 30th, 2004, 06:18 PM	#6
Ben Gurvich Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 329	<<<-- in the mastering process you swap DLTs). . -->>> excuse my ignorance, but what are Dlt's and what is the process of swapping them

May 30th, 2004, 09:33 PM	#7
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Digital Linear Tapes = tape cartridges that you write your DVD project to and send to the DVD replicator to actually make your discs off of. A DVD-9 requires a DLT for each layer, so the authoring software writes the first layer to the DLT, then prompts you to insert the next tape for the 2nd layer.

May 30th, 2004, 10:02 PM	#8
Ben Gurvich Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 329	are they like backup tape drives? do u haveto submit on these disks could u givethem a protable hard disk?

May 31st, 2004, 07:42 AM	#10
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	When I did my first (and so far only :) ) DVD-9 project, I used Acutrack and they accepted two DVD-Rs. They also required the Maestro .lay file. I think what they did was took the contents of the two DVD-Rs and recombined them on their hard drive, then used Maestro to master to DLTs. It's the only way to go for DVD-9 replication, IMO, because then you're not the one at risk of making a mistake (which seems to be incredibly easy).

May 31st, 2004, 07:54 AM	#11
Ben Gurvich Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 329	Cheers Rob, thx for the info.net

May 31st, 2004, 08:33 PM	#12
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	youd tink considering that Sony released the Drive that DVD Architect would at least have a patch out by now to also support the drive... being made by the same manufacturere,, it woudl b the smartest way to merket both products.. oh well..

May 31st, 2004, 09:26 PM	#13
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	I'd be surprised if they didn't. There's no media out yet, so there's no rush on a patch. Plus, based on Adobe's response regarding Encore, it sounds like any authoring system capable of producing > 4.7 GB projects will be able to be burned onto these discs using Nero.