Sony Dual Layer DVD+R Drive Available; No Media Yet at DVinfo.net

Peter Moore · May 18th, 2004, 08:33 AM

Just found out from Sony directly - the drive is available and in stock (DRU-700A) but there's no dual layer media yet and it doesn't come with it. So if you're looking to buy a new burner now, the DRU-700A is the way to go, but dual layer media might not be available for a couple more weeks.

Peter Moore · May 19th, 2004, 09:38 PM

Needless to say, if anyone hears about DL media becoming available, please let us know. ;)

Bogdan Vaglarov · May 21st, 2004, 01:46 AM

Yes, there is but in Japan!
1 disc is about 16USD!
Have fun!

Peter Moore · May 21st, 2004, 08:37 AM

Any link on where to get it, Bogdan? Thanks!

Bogdan Vaglarov · May 21st, 2004, 12:37 PM

Hmm... I thought I saw announced in a web shop DL media - couldn't find it today.

Here's a link to Mitshubishi media:
http://www.mcmedia.co.jp/japanese/news/press/0034.html

Peter Moore · May 21st, 2004, 02:17 PM

Thanks but I can't read Japanese. ;) I guess I'll just have to wait till they become available here later this month or next.

Peter Jefferson · May 22nd, 2004, 08:09 AM

another thing to note is that at this time, theres very VERY minimal support..

no doubt there will be a DVDA2 patch comin out soon consinering theyre both sony products... ;)

Peter Moore · May 22nd, 2004, 08:43 AM

Nero comes with the drive and support DL burning.

The huge question marks though are -

- How does it handle the layer break and PTP / OTP?
- Will these movies play in stand alone video players?

Unfortunately no reviews have yet mentioned either of these two things.

Bogdan Vaglarov · May 22nd, 2004, 01:00 PM

Sorry Peter - it's Mitsubishi media announcement that it starst from May.14th. There is always a delay for actual media to hit the shelfs of coarse. The drive itself should come bundled with 1 of those disks though.

OK, this time I have something better - read here:
http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.html?i=2045

Also dvd forums are good place to look. Eventually the firmwares matter a lot.
Read a quote from a new owner of Sony 700a:

quote__________________

"I've been having some probs with my new Sony DRU700a writer at first it refused to write at 2x to RITEK G04 and was giving bad writes to FUJIFILM03 at 2x and not so great at 4x on either (Can't select 6x and 8x writing for this disk as it isn't even listed in the media list).
I speed hacked the media table to allow 1x writing to ritek g04 and it then would write at 2x, but these where terrible burns, they looked like zone-clv, 1 3rd light, 1 3rd darker and 1 3rd really dark, pio scans where awful... So changed the firmware to the original Lite On 832s firmware, enabled 1x writing for ritek medias, also enabled 8x writing for 8x +r verbs?? and it works like a dream, every disk tried now at 2x is perfect, i even flashed back to 700a stock just to test and got bad burns again.
Thse drives are supposed to be the same, but i think i've found that the firmware shipping in the lite on is superior to that in the Sony.

P.S. my retail boxed Sony came with no DL media, even though someone in the US claims his did, there isn't any media listed in the itinery so i haven't been able to test DL media, my local comp shop reckons he'll get me some in next week, yeah right m8, just keep smoking that crak pipe"

quote end_______________

Peter Moore · May 23rd, 2004, 08:36 AM

Well Verbatim in the US is saying end of May. I won't hold my breath, but I will keep my fingers crossed:

http://www.verbatim.com/news/news_de...D91B6B8EC9A36D

I just hope they're not priced unreasonably. I could see them making the disks cost $10+ just to deter piracy. After all, who would copy a movie to a $10 DL disk when they can buy it for less than twice that price?

Peter Moore · May 23rd, 2004, 09:26 AM

Ah, one store is taking pre orders and saying they will ship after June 30, 2004:

http://www.americal.com/pd/94912.html

The price is not terrible for such a new product, but I'll hold off on preordering all the same just to see what else comes along.

Bogdan Vaglarov · May 23rd, 2004, 06:50 PM

All in all it seems for now the DL thing is not the best choce.

First media is at least 2x more expensive than 2 normal brand disks.
Second the write speed seems 3x slower than recording on 2 normal disks.

May be waiting to May next year is the better choice?

Peter Moore · May 24th, 2004, 07:01 AM

It depends on why you want it. If your goal is to make DVD-9's that people can watch in their video players (which happens to be my goal) I'm more than willing to pay $6 per disk and wait for the 2.4x burn time.

DVD-9 replication costs about $1400 for 1000 minimum and that doesn't even include packaging. So this is a good deal if it works.

Dan Euritt · May 24th, 2004, 11:23 AM

i'm getting the impression here that some of you guys are actually planning on burning dvd+r dl's at 2.4x and selling 'em to the general public? that's what, a 45 minute record time, with some people claiming that the format will never exceed a 4x burn speed.

the real problem is that it's compatibility is totally unproven in the marketplace... it's tough enuf getting the current dvd-r's to work in all players, i sure wouldn't want to spend the big $$$ on this new format, only to be on the cutting edge of compatibility testing... and that $1400 for commercial dupes will look like chicken feed when it's compared to hassling with a bunch of customer returns, and lost future sales.

let it go for year, then take a serious look.

Peter Moore · May 24th, 2004, 11:50 AM

When I only need to make 25 copies, you're damned right I want to use these DVD+R DLs. We'll see if there's compatibility problems. There's no way to know yet, but no reason to be pessimistic. It's just as likely that they work as well as normal DVD+Rs as that they don't.

May 18th, 2004, 08:33 AM	#1
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Sony Dual Layer DVD+R Drive Available; No Media Yet Just found out from Sony directly - the drive is available and in stock (DRU-700A) but there's no dual layer media yet and it doesn't come with it. So if you're looking to buy a new burner now, the DRU-700A is the way to go, but dual layer media might not be available for a couple more weeks.

May 19th, 2004, 09:38 PM	#2
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Needless to say, if anyone hears about DL media becoming available, please let us know. ;)

May 21st, 2004, 01:46 AM	#3
Bogdan Vaglarov Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 366	Yes, there is but in Japan! 1 disc is about 16USD! Have fun!

May 21st, 2004, 08:37 AM	#4
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Any link on where to get it, Bogdan? Thanks!

May 21st, 2004, 12:37 PM	#5
Bogdan Vaglarov Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 366	Hmm... I thought I saw announced in a web shop DL media - couldn't find it today. Here's a link to Mitshubishi media: http://www.mcmedia.co.jp/japanese/news/press/0034.html

May 21st, 2004, 02:17 PM	#6
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Thanks but I can't read Japanese. ;) I guess I'll just have to wait till they become available here later this month or next.

May 22nd, 2004, 08:09 AM	#7
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	another thing to note is that at this time, theres very VERY minimal support.. no doubt there will be a DVDA2 patch comin out soon consinering theyre both sony products... ;)

May 22nd, 2004, 08:43 AM	#8
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Nero comes with the drive and support DL burning. The huge question marks though are - - How does it handle the layer break and PTP / OTP? - Will these movies play in stand alone video players? Unfortunately no reviews have yet mentioned either of these two things.

May 22nd, 2004, 01:00 PM	#9
Bogdan Vaglarov Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 366	Sorry Peter - it's Mitsubishi media announcement that it starst from May.14th. There is always a delay for actual media to hit the shelfs of coarse. The drive itself should come bundled with 1 of those disks though. OK, this time I have something better - read here: http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.html?i=2045 Also dvd forums are good place to look. Eventually the firmwares matter a lot. Read a quote from a new owner of Sony 700a: quote__________________ "I've been having some probs with my new Sony DRU700a writer at first it refused to write at 2x to RITEK G04 and was giving bad writes to FUJIFILM03 at 2x and not so great at 4x on either (Can't select 6x and 8x writing for this disk as it isn't even listed in the media list). I speed hacked the media table to allow 1x writing to ritek g04 and it then would write at 2x, but these where terrible burns, they looked like zone-clv, 1 3rd light, 1 3rd darker and 1 3rd really dark, pio scans where awful... So changed the firmware to the original Lite On 832s firmware, enabled 1x writing for ritek medias, also enabled 8x writing for 8x +r verbs?? and it works like a dream, every disk tried now at 2x is perfect, i even flashed back to 700a stock just to test and got bad burns again. Thse drives are supposed to be the same, but i think i've found that the firmware shipping in the lite on is superior to that in the Sony. P.S. my retail boxed Sony came with no DL media, even though someone in the US claims his did, there isn't any media listed in the itinery so i haven't been able to test DL media, my local comp shop reckons he'll get me some in next week, yeah right m8, just keep smoking that crak pipe" quote end_______________

May 23rd, 2004, 08:36 AM	#10
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Well Verbatim in the US is saying end of May. I won't hold my breath, but I will keep my fingers crossed: http://www.verbatim.com/news/news_de...D91B6B8EC9A36D I just hope they're not priced unreasonably. I could see them making the disks cost $10+ just to deter piracy. After all, who would copy a movie to a $10 DL disk when they can buy it for less than twice that price?

May 23rd, 2004, 09:26 AM	#11
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Ah, one store is taking pre orders and saying they will ship after June 30, 2004: http://www.americal.com/pd/94912.html The price is not terrible for such a new product, but I'll hold off on preordering all the same just to see what else comes along.

May 23rd, 2004, 06:50 PM	#12
Bogdan Vaglarov Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 366	All in all it seems for now the DL thing is not the best choce. First media is at least 2x more expensive than 2 normal brand disks. Second the write speed seems 3x slower than recording on 2 normal disks. May be waiting to May next year is the better choice?

May 24th, 2004, 07:01 AM	#13
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	It depends on why you want it. If your goal is to make DVD-9's that people can watch in their video players (which happens to be my goal) I'm more than willing to pay $6 per disk and wait for the 2.4x burn time. DVD-9 replication costs about $1400 for 1000 minimum and that doesn't even include packaging. So this is a good deal if it works.

May 24th, 2004, 11:23 AM	#14
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	i'm getting the impression here that some of you guys are actually planning on burning dvd+r dl's at 2.4x and selling 'em to the general public? that's what, a 45 minute record time, with some people claiming that the format will never exceed a 4x burn speed. the real problem is that it's compatibility is totally unproven in the marketplace... it's tough enuf getting the current dvd-r's to work in all players, i sure wouldn't want to spend the big $$$ on this new format, only to be on the cutting edge of compatibility testing... and that $1400 for commercial dupes will look like chicken feed when it's compared to hassling with a bunch of customer returns, and lost future sales. let it go for year, then take a serious look.

May 24th, 2004, 11:50 AM	#15
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	When I only need to make 25 copies, you're damned right I want to use these DVD+R DLs. We'll see if there's compatibility problems. There's no way to know yet, but no reason to be pessimistic. It's just as likely that they work as well as normal DVD+Rs as that they don't.