DVC 5 Feedback

Bill Hamell · April 18th, 2006, 01:34 PM

This is my first DVC event, it is also the first production I put together myself and the fist one I have edited as well.

I hope you will enjoy it as much as we did making it.
One thing is for sure DVC is better than film school as we learned quite a lot this time around.

Bill

Chris Barcellos · April 18th, 2006, 01:56 PM

This has it all. Good solid story line, easy to follow, great cinematography, well planned shots. Characters are great, and story is sweet !! Really nice !

Robert Martens · April 18th, 2006, 02:40 PM

"Sweet", that's a word I never thought I'd want to use in this capacity. And yet, here I am. Chris is right, it's a great story, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Another first production that blows me away, I just can't believe you're so good at this. You're making me look bad, you know.

I see you had to do some ADR, allow me to offer my condolences. To go through all that work to fix entire conversations, well, it's no easy task, as I'm sure several of us are finally beginning to truly appreciate. You did pretty well, considering the circumstances. The volume level, however, on most of the shots in the film, seems too low. I really had to crank it up to hear the conversation at what I'm assuming is a funeral, and lots of noise came along with the level increase. I have the same problem in my short, though (dialogue that's either too soft or too loud), so I'm in no position to complain.

An exquisite piece of work, Bill!

Bradley L Marlow · April 18th, 2006, 02:46 PM

Hi Bill!

Your first film?!? Sheesh! As I have said on so many other first films in this challenge- I wish my first film was a good as yours. Very well done.

I like the portrayal of a man who has good character. While being tempted by his surroundings and situation, he "reflected" and went and made the right decision. The end result was as sweet as it could be. Nice.

I had a little trouble with hearing the dialog where the blue box was being handed down to him. Not major issues-just found I needed to crank up the volume a bit.

Your camera work was excellent and you did a great job of covering many angles. Way to go!

Best Wishes~
Bradley

Tyler Baptist · April 18th, 2006, 03:42 PM

Amazing cinematography! Story was a tad hard to hear, as the music was a little too loud over top of it.

Dick Mays · April 18th, 2006, 05:29 PM

Very nice. What a sweet looking couple. You got me thinking he was going to do one thing with the ring and then you fooled me!

And I love the guy's voice on the phone. "he's into US!" DUDE! SWEET!

Good work. What city are you in?

Philip Gioja · April 18th, 2006, 06:33 PM

I really dug the huge murals -- awesome shots with those. I really liked your idea. I feel like I've been saying that a lot but it's really cool to see everyone's creativity coming out in a lot of different ways that I never would have been able to come up with myself.

The only real criticisms I had were 1) I've seen a lot of tooth-brushing scenes and that's starting to get to me a little (though you couldn't have known that it'd be that way), and 2) I felt like you didn't quite portray the depth and gravity of where this could have gone. It didn't feel deep or sad or joyful in a resounding way -- but I really wanted it to because all the elements were in place. (does that make sense?) Maybe it was the acting, or maybe that it had to all fit into 5 minutes, but I really dug the story and thought you did a great job.

Bill Hamell · April 18th, 2006, 06:51 PM

Thank you for all the kind comments.

You have found my Achilles heel sound… it is something that I know I need to work on I did learn much while filming and continue to learn by your comments. I was afraid it was going to be too loud so I did not tweak up the volume now I know I should have.
Keep those comments coming!!!! :-) I’ll keep working on it.

I wish to clarify one thing this is the first production where I have actually produced the film as well as shot it, not the first film I have worked on. I have done as a DP or lighting tech three other short films. This was a learning experience in itself, in the past I just showed up and did my work. For this one I had to coordinate people places and times and while I did get lots of help and the people that worked on the production were a dream to work with, made it easier. Got the whole production crew to show up at 5am to shoot the golden hour and not one complaint!!

Dick, take a glance to the left, to find out where I am. :-)
I’ll let Jake know you liked him, he said it was the first time he ever phoned in a performance. (I recorded it off my answering machine)

Philip, thank you for the comments I think you said it best “it had to fit in 5 minutes” the ruff cut was 6:30, we are going to reedit without a time limit and possibly re-shoot some footage. So, yeah it makes sense. :-)

Thank you again,
Bill

Lorinda Norton · April 18th, 2006, 08:24 PM

Bill, I loved all your camera angles in the young guy's room--that drew me into the story. Lighting looked perfect, too. You're quite gifted with interior shooting, aren't you.

I liked the guy and was hoping for something good to happen. It did! Thanks!! :)

P.S. to Philip: I laughed out loud at your toothbrush comment!

Philip Gioja · April 18th, 2006, 08:28 PM

I really want to see the extended version -- post it here when you get it done and I'll watch it. I really did think it was good (and I'll forgive you the toothbrush...)

Bruce Broussard · April 18th, 2006, 10:10 PM

That is outstanding work. I also was fooled about the ring, I thought he was going to hock it. Great story, great cinematography, only sour note: a little too much reverb in the audio in places. Excellent film.

Michael Fossenkemper · April 18th, 2006, 10:40 PM

great camera angles. nice story and nice pace after the bedroom (i thouht it was a tad too long). Very professional feel. the only thing was the audio that you commented on. Audio is tough while shooting at the same time. you may have noticed I don't have much dialog in mine. hahahah. but I really liked the feel and the vibe and the camera work really made me envious.

William Gardner · April 19th, 2006, 04:55 AM

Really pleasant story (especially well suited for this format). The shooting was nice and the location choices were nice too. I like colorful locations and sometimes get tired of seeing so many white walls in short films (though I understand that not everybody has access to colorful locations), so good job finding so many green/blue places for your story. The acting was nice in a simple way which fit the piece well.

Like others said, the sound was a bit spotty outdoors and the mix between the dialogue and music was a little troublesome in spots. On the plus side there, I really liked the soundtrack/ choice of music! I thought that it really fit the piece.

I have a few questions about the plot/cutting. When he finds the box in his room, he then leaves (to finish brushing his teeth?) and then returns to the box, I wasn't quite sure why. This leaving and entering seemed unnecessary, or did it have some meaning that I missed?

And when he first walks outside, he goes across the street to another building. It fades to black as he appears to enter the building, then fades back in as he appears to be leaving it. What is this building representing? Is he supposed to be doing something important there?

Sorry, I'm a bit dense today. :)

Thanks! Nice!
Bill

Sean McHenry · April 19th, 2006, 03:48 PM

I have been responding to everyones threads after my initial viewing so the initial impact is what I am basing my comments on, for everyones pieces.

I liked it. It was perhaps a bit slow paced but it wasn't that distracting for me. It might become a bit tedious if I were watching it 10 or 11 times but the first time through, it was OK. I am a sucker for good scores, if you have read anything I have said anywhere about how I do my little bits, you know how much I value a great soundtrack.

One day I will hook up with a talented musician that can write for my story. For now, my stories chase the moods I find in the music I discover. You did very well with the little pawn shop trick. I would have gotten a bit closer on the wrist with the missing watch to help drive it home. I was left thinking initially that the watch was a rememberance of someone (father?) but maybe it wasn't working. Now I realize he pawned the watch but kept the ring. good mis-direction but I am not sure how many folks caught it first time through.

The imagery was very nice. You shoot very well. Good job.

Sean McHenry

Hugh DiMauro · April 20th, 2006, 09:10 AM

Hi Bill:

Very professional looking. Your two key actors did a great job. Your use of color and pacing were good. You could easily pull off a longer movie. Great job.

April 18th, 2006, 01:34 PM	#1
Bill Hamell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mystic Ct. Posts: 477	DVC 5 Feedback – Give Away This is my first DVC event, it is also the first production I put together myself and the fist one I have edited as well. I hope you will enjoy it as much as we did making it. One thing is for sure DVC is better than film school as we learned quite a lot this time around. Bill __________________ Cinematographers Bring Shadow To Light

April 18th, 2006, 01:56 PM	#2
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Great Short ! This has it all. Good solid story line, easy to follow, great cinematography, well planned shots. Characters are great, and story is sweet !! Really nice ! __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

April 18th, 2006, 03:42 PM	#5
Tyler Baptist Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Saskatoon, SK Canada Posts: 71	Amazing cinematography! Story was a tad hard to hear, as the music was a little too loud over top of it. __________________ Tyler Baptist

April 18th, 2006, 06:51 PM	#8
Bill Hamell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mystic Ct. Posts: 477	Thank you for all the kind comments. You have found my Achilles heel sound… it is something that I know I need to work on I did learn much while filming and continue to learn by your comments. I was afraid it was going to be too loud so I did not tweak up the volume now I know I should have. Keep those comments coming!!!! :-) I’ll keep working on it. I wish to clarify one thing this is the first production where I have actually produced the film as well as shot it, not the first film I have worked on. I have done as a DP or lighting tech three other short films. This was a learning experience in itself, in the past I just showed up and did my work. For this one I had to coordinate people places and times and while I did get lots of help and the people that worked on the production were a dream to work with, made it easier. Got the whole production crew to show up at 5am to shoot the golden hour and not one complaint!! Dick, take a glance to the left, to find out where I am. :-) I’ll let Jake know you liked him, he said it was the first time he ever phoned in a performance. (I recorded it off my answering machine) Philip, thank you for the comments I think you said it best “it had to fit in 5 minutes” the ruff cut was 6:30, we are going to reedit without a time limit and possibly re-shoot some footage. So, yeah it makes sense. :-) Thank you again, Bill __________________ Cinematographers Bring Shadow To Light

April 18th, 2006, 08:24 PM	#9
Lorinda Norton Wrangler Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southwest Idaho, USA Posts: 3,066	Bill, I loved all your camera angles in the young guy's room--that drew me into the story. Lighting looked perfect, too. You're quite gifted with interior shooting, aren't you. I liked the guy and was hoping for something good to happen. It did! Thanks!! :) P.S. to Philip: I laughed out loud at your toothbrush comment! __________________ Lorinda

April 18th, 2006, 02:40 PM	#3
Robert Martens Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Miller Place, NY Posts: 820	"Sweet", that's a word I never thought I'd want to use in this capacity. And yet, here I am. Chris is right, it's a great story, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Another first production that blows me away, I just can't believe you're so good at this. You're making me look bad, you know. I see you had to do some ADR, allow me to offer my condolences. To go through all that work to fix entire conversations, well, it's no easy task, as I'm sure several of us are finally beginning to truly appreciate. You did pretty well, considering the circumstances. The volume level, however, on most of the shots in the film, seems too low. I really had to crank it up to hear the conversation at what I'm assuming is a funeral, and lots of noise came along with the level increase. I have the same problem in my short, though (dialogue that's either too soft or too loud), so I'm in no position to complain. An exquisite piece of work, Bill!

April 18th, 2006, 02:46 PM	#4
Bradley L Marlow Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Central Wyoming Posts: 484	Hi Bill! Your first film?!? Sheesh! As I have said on so many other first films in this challenge- I wish my first film was a good as yours. Very well done. I like the portrayal of a man who has good character. While being tempted by his surroundings and situation, he "reflected" and went and made the right decision. The end result was as sweet as it could be. Nice. I had a little trouble with hearing the dialog where the blue box was being handed down to him. Not major issues-just found I needed to crank up the volume a bit. Your camera work was excellent and you did a great job of covering many angles. Way to go! Best Wishes~ Bradley

April 18th, 2006, 05:29 PM	#6
Dick Mays Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 690	Very nice. What a sweet looking couple. You got me thinking he was going to do one thing with the ring and then you fooled me! And I love the guy's voice on the phone. "he's into US!" DUDE! SWEET! Good work. What city are you in?

April 18th, 2006, 06:33 PM	#7
Philip Gioja Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Piper City, IL Posts: 350	I really dug the huge murals -- awesome shots with those. I really liked your idea. I feel like I've been saying that a lot but it's really cool to see everyone's creativity coming out in a lot of different ways that I never would have been able to come up with myself. The only real criticisms I had were 1) I've seen a lot of tooth-brushing scenes and that's starting to get to me a little (though you couldn't have known that it'd be that way), and 2) I felt like you didn't quite portray the depth and gravity of where this could have gone. It didn't feel deep or sad or joyful in a resounding way -- but I really wanted it to because all the elements were in place. (does that make sense?) Maybe it was the acting, or maybe that it had to all fit into 5 minutes, but I really dug the story and thought you did a great job.

April 18th, 2006, 08:28 PM	#10
Philip Gioja Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Piper City, IL Posts: 350	I really want to see the extended version -- post it here when you get it done and I'll watch it. I really did think it was good (and I'll forgive you the toothbrush...)

April 18th, 2006, 10:10 PM	#11
Bruce Broussard Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 132	That is outstanding work. I also was fooled about the ring, I thought he was going to hock it. Great story, great cinematography, only sour note: a little too much reverb in the audio in places. Excellent film.

April 18th, 2006, 10:40 PM	#12
Michael Fossenkemper Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NYC, weeee. Posts: 417	great camera angles. nice story and nice pace after the bedroom (i thouht it was a tad too long). Very professional feel. the only thing was the audio that you commented on. Audio is tough while shooting at the same time. you may have noticed I don't have much dialog in mine. hahahah. but I really liked the feel and the vibe and the camera work really made me envious.

April 19th, 2006, 04:55 AM	#13
William Gardner Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 216	Really pleasant story (especially well suited for this format). The shooting was nice and the location choices were nice too. I like colorful locations and sometimes get tired of seeing so many white walls in short films (though I understand that not everybody has access to colorful locations), so good job finding so many green/blue places for your story. The acting was nice in a simple way which fit the piece well. Like others said, the sound was a bit spotty outdoors and the mix between the dialogue and music was a little troublesome in spots. On the plus side there, I really liked the soundtrack/ choice of music! I thought that it really fit the piece. I have a few questions about the plot/cutting. When he finds the box in his room, he then leaves (to finish brushing his teeth?) and then returns to the box, I wasn't quite sure why. This leaving and entering seemed unnecessary, or did it have some meaning that I missed? And when he first walks outside, he goes across the street to another building. It fades to black as he appears to enter the building, then fades back in as he appears to be leaving it. What is this building representing? Is he supposed to be doing something important there? Sorry, I'm a bit dense today. :) Thanks! Nice! Bill

April 19th, 2006, 03:48 PM	#14
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	I have been responding to everyones threads after my initial viewing so the initial impact is what I am basing my comments on, for everyones pieces. I liked it. It was perhaps a bit slow paced but it wasn't that distracting for me. It might become a bit tedious if I were watching it 10 or 11 times but the first time through, it was OK. I am a sucker for good scores, if you have read anything I have said anywhere about how I do my little bits, you know how much I value a great soundtrack. One day I will hook up with a talented musician that can write for my story. For now, my stories chase the moods I find in the music I discover. You did very well with the little pawn shop trick. I would have gotten a bit closer on the wrist with the missing watch to help drive it home. I was left thinking initially that the watch was a rememberance of someone (father?) but maybe it wasn't working. Now I realize he pawned the watch but kept the ring. good mis-direction but I am not sure how many folks caught it first time through. The imagery was very nice. You shoot very well. Good job. Sean McHenry __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

April 20th, 2006, 09:10 AM	#15
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	Hi Bill: Very professional looking. Your two key actors did a great job. Your use of color and pacing were good. You could easily pull off a longer movie. Great job. __________________ Interesting, if true. And interesting anyway.