My first words on the Texas Shootout

K. Forman · April 14th, 2006, 11:01 AM

I've read pretty much all the HD100 threads here, and a few at DVXusers too, plus the DV mag article. I'm curious about capture processes, and the equipment used. There are likely to be several different ways of doing it, right? Each one a little different than the last? The XL-H1 has the SDI out, with no audio, so you need to use a seperate process to capture that. The HD100 only has composite out, no SDI. But there have been conflicting reports about what you can get with out of it.

Chris Hurd · April 14th, 2006, 11:17 AM

Audio was *not* part of what we did... to do justice to the audio portion of these cameras, that would require another extended weekend. We weren't concerned about the lack of audio over SDI from the Canon H1 because audio simply wasn't on our agenda. Audio is far too important to cram into our video comparison, it really needs its own separate study.

Please look over Mike's blog, Keith, all of the capture details are there. As Nate points out, the uncompressed captures came in via SDI where available from the cameras (VariCam, F350, XL H1) and analog component from those that did not have SDI (HVX200, HD100, Z1U).

Greg Boston · April 14th, 2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith Forman

The HD100 only has composite out, no SDI. But there have been conflicting reports about what you can get with out of it.

You have component out, SD firewire, and HDV firewire. Component out can capture all frame rates, however component out is required for capturing 720p at 60fps, the lower frame rates of 24 and 30 can be captured via firewire. I brought back the HD100 with me to return to the JVC rep. While I had the camera, I shot some footage at 720 30p, captured using an app called A/V Capture (osx), and took the resulting .M2T file and put it in MPEG Streamclip. Lifted some nice stills out of Streamclip in .TIFF format.

-gb-

K. Forman · April 14th, 2006, 12:19 PM

I did check out Mike's blog, and got a little lost with the 1:1:1:2 pattern, but followed the rest ok. As far as audio, I suppose that isn't that big an issue right now.
And thanks Greg for putting me straight.

Chris Hurd · April 14th, 2006, 12:22 PM

There's something like five or six different Texas Shootout entries on Mike's blog. I think you saw only the most recent one. Links to all the rest are in the other thread.

K. Forman · April 14th, 2006, 12:30 PM

Backtracking now.

Boyd Ostroff · April 14th, 2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith Forman

So, did you have a "video villiage", like the DV mag's shootout?

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Originally Posted by Nate Weaver

We had exactly 6x the amount of capture hardware the Burbank test had.

K. Forman · April 14th, 2006, 01:08 PM

Yep... need a bigger studio.

Jay Lee · April 14th, 2006, 01:14 PM

Chris, thanks for clearing that up about the live vs. media capture. Good news fer sure.

Did the JVC HD100 get tested with an alternate lens than the stock one? If so, I'll be really interested to see what impact that has. I know on my old timer DV500, it's a huge difference.

Now there's yet another test, taking the cameras that have "real" lenses (gonna get flamed for that one!) like the XDCAM HD, XL H1 and HD100 and seeing what that does to the image quality, sensitivity and resolution.

I'll be happy to do that one, can you send me one of each with an assortment of lenses?

heh.....

K. Forman · April 14th, 2006, 01:18 PM

They say the 13x lens gets you a cleaner image overall, as compared to the stock lens.

Chris Hurd · April 14th, 2006, 01:24 PM

Yes we had both the stock 16x and wide 13x Fuji lenses for the HD100. Adam shot Chroma Dumonde and Multiburst charts with both. Several set-ups both indoors and outdoors were shot with the wide 13x.

Robert Sanders · April 14th, 2006, 01:34 PM

Just to mess with the HD100 love fest currently taking place...

XLH1 Baby!!!!!

Andrew Farrell · May 2nd, 2006, 05:32 AM

Is there an official write up of the shootout somewhere, or is that yet to come?

Greg Boston · May 2nd, 2006, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Farrell

Is there an official write up of the shootout somewhere, or is that yet to come?

It is, as you say, "yet to come". Since we did this too close to NAB, everyone involved was busy getting ready for that show. Now that NAB is over, the data will be compiled and presented by Adam Wilt in future articles. There is talk of putting the video on a DVD (including some behind the scenes segments) but nothing finalized yet in that regard.

regards,

-gb-

Steven Davis · May 2nd, 2006, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Boston

It is, as you say, "yet to come". Since we did this too close to NAB, everyone involved was busy getting ready for that show. Now that NAB is over, the data will be compiled and presented by Adam Wilt in future articles. There is talk of putting the video on a DVD (including some behind the scenes segments) but nothing finalized yet in that regard.

regards,

-gb-

Will the writeup have good looking models holding the cameras?

April 14th, 2006, 11:01 AM	#31
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	I've read pretty much all the HD100 threads here, and a few at DVXusers too, plus the DV mag article. I'm curious about capture processes, and the equipment used. There are likely to be several different ways of doing it, right? Each one a little different than the last? The XL-H1 has the SDI out, with no audio, so you need to use a seperate process to capture that. The HD100 only has composite out, no SDI. But there have been conflicting reports about what you can get with out of it. __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

April 14th, 2006, 11:17 AM	#32
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Audio was not part of what we did... to do justice to the audio portion of these cameras, that would require another extended weekend. We weren't concerned about the lack of audio over SDI from the Canon H1 because audio simply wasn't on our agenda. Audio is far too important to cram into our video comparison, it really needs its own separate study. Please look over Mike's blog, Keith, all of the capture details are there. As Nate points out, the uncompressed captures came in via SDI where available from the cameras (VariCam, F350, XL H1) and analog component from those that did not have SDI (HVX200, HD100, Z1U). __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 14th, 2006, 12:19 PM	#34
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	I did check out Mike's blog, and got a little lost with the 1:1:1:2 pattern, but followed the rest ok. As far as audio, I suppose that isn't that big an issue right now. And thanks Greg for putting me straight. __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

April 14th, 2006, 12:22 PM	#35
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	There's something like five or six different Texas Shootout entries on Mike's blog. I think you saw only the most recent one. Links to all the rest are in the other thread. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 14th, 2006, 12:30 PM	#36
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Backtracking now. __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

April 14th, 2006, 01:08 PM	#38
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Yep... need a bigger studio. __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

April 14th, 2006, 01:14 PM	#39
Jay Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 57	Chris, thanks for clearing that up about the live vs. media capture. Good news fer sure. Did the JVC HD100 get tested with an alternate lens than the stock one? If so, I'll be really interested to see what impact that has. I know on my old timer DV500, it's a huge difference. Now there's yet another test, taking the cameras that have "real" lenses (gonna get flamed for that one!) like the XDCAM HD, XL H1 and HD100 and seeing what that does to the image quality, sensitivity and resolution. I'll be happy to do that one, can you send me one of each with an assortment of lenses? heh.....

April 14th, 2006, 01:18 PM	#40
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	They say the 13x lens gets you a cleaner image overall, as compared to the stock lens. __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

April 14th, 2006, 01:24 PM	#41
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Yes we had both the stock 16x and wide 13x Fuji lenses for the HD100. Adam shot Chroma Dumonde and Multiburst charts with both. Several set-ups both indoors and outdoors were shot with the wide 13x. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 14th, 2006, 01:34 PM	#42
Robert Sanders Starway Pictures Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Studio City Posts: 581	Just to mess with the HD100 love fest currently taking place... XLH1 Baby!!!!! __________________ http://www.starwaypictures.com http://starwaypictures.blogspot.com/

May 2nd, 2006, 05:32 AM	#43
Andrew Farrell Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Penrith, NSW, AUSTRALIA Posts: 41	Is there an official write up of the shootout somewhere, or is that yet to come?