Status of that Creative Cloud discussion post at DVinfo.net

Andrew Smith · May 5th, 2015, 06:11 PM

Hi Chris,

There was a discussion on CC which was closed for some "quality control" pruning a few days ago. I don't seem to be able to find it at all. There were some really good posts in it (especially mine :).

Is there a status update?

Andrew

Chris Hurd · May 6th, 2015, 07:22 AM

Sorry for the delay, Andrew -- it'll return to public view later today.

I'll post the link here as well.

Andrew Smith · May 11th, 2015, 05:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zyjLyBp64

:-)

Andrew

David Knaggs · May 12th, 2015, 04:46 PM

Hi Andrew.

I know you're keen to see those worthwhile posts restored, but I understand why it's been taking Chris some time. I think DV Info's policies make it the special place it is, with its high-signal low-noise trademark. It's also a place where the members, in the vast majority, respect each other, even when their video/film experiences might be quite different and can lead, quite naturally, to a differing point of view. If stated respectfully and with no "make-wrong", the respect usually remains between both parties.

What aids that, for example, are policies such as no "controversial" subjects (politics, religion, drugs, etc.). I think that avoids areas where people have the most "fixed ideas". To me at least, a sign of someone with a fixed idea is when they stop looking and listening and do nothing but assert "I-am-right-and-you-are-wrong". All I can say is, "good luck" if you wish to further communicate to somebody stuck with a fixed idea. Nobody wins out of a situation like that (in my opinion). And that's why the "no controversial subjects" policy works so well for DV Info. It keeps the signal consistently high.

So, in the rare case when a member is making a valid point on a video matter but can't resist "giving someone a backhander" (make-wrong) as well, things can escalate quickly. And nobody really "wins".

As Chris attempts to remove the noise and save the signal from that voluminous thread, I wouldn't be surprised if he's also taking some time to review DV Info policy which might further eliminate noise from future threads on video subjects. (I'm only guessing and I might be dead wrong about this. But I wouldn't be surprised!)

Just my two-cents. And I don't mind if nobody agrees with what I've said here. It's just an opinion.

Gary Huff · May 12th, 2015, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Knaggs

To me at least, a sign of someone with a fixed idea is when they stop looking and listening and do nothing but assert "I-am-right-and-you-are-wrong". All I can say is, "good luck" if you wish to further communicate to somebody stuck with a fixed idea. Nobody wins out of a situation like that (in my opinion).

That's very subjective. What may seem like an open and shut case to you may not be so clear cut. So, therefore, wouldn't your opinion on whether or not someone has a "fixed idea" be, in and of itself, a fixed idea as well?

Chris Hurd · May 14th, 2015, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Knaggs

... I wouldn't be surprised if he's also taking some time to review DV Info policy which might further eliminate noise from future threads on video subjects.

As usual, David is a mind reader.

Thanks for your continued patience. That thread isn't dead... yet.

Andy Wilkinson · May 28th, 2015, 09:31 AM

I know the thread became a mess but there were a few good posts within it.

Just a little nudge to remind you to try and sort it out soon Chris.

Andrew Smith · May 28th, 2015, 05:57 PM

And we don't at all look like a collection of suddenly well behaved cats, sitting and looking up attentively as if it's feeding time and you hadn't noticed.

Andrew

Andrew Smith · April 1st, 2018, 08:28 AM

Almost two years have since passed. Any updates Chris?

Andrew

Gary Huff · April 1st, 2018, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Smith

Almost two years have since passed. Any updates Chris?

What exactly do you feel is gained by having that thread returned?

Andrew Smith · April 1st, 2018, 09:51 AM

A really good and timely discussion circa two years ago.

And I can now report that Adobe Muse has been discontinued. This is a web site generation app and on the surface it doesn't affect us.

Looking deeper, it can be revealed that its demise was because it wasn't about to seriously add to the Adobe share price and that this was therefore the foundation for the decision being made. This in turn demonstrates that Adobe has had a cultural change which may not be for the best. Video software is deemed very safe ... for now.

Andrew

Paul R Johnson · April 1st, 2018, 12:45 PM

Muse discontinued? Really - I've just migrated 7 websites to it!!!! Off to Adobe to find out!

EDIT
I got the email about closing Business Catalyst - and that isn't a worry - but, I moved TO Muse from Serif, who stopped their product, now Muse is going - and I simply HATE Wordpress. I'm on a serious downer now.

Chris Hurd · April 3rd, 2018, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Smith

Almost two years have since passed. Any updates Chris?

Well... do you *really* want it back?

Andrew Smith · April 3rd, 2018, 05:53 PM

Yes. (looks up with the innocence of a cat) :D

Also, "Sorry for the delay, Andrew -- it'll return to public view later today." Just saying.

Andrew

Gary Huff · April 3rd, 2018, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Looking deeper, it can be revealed that its demise was because it wasn't about to seriously add to the Adobe share price and that this was therefore the foundation for the decision being made.

Where exactly did you find this when "looking deeper"?

May 5th, 2015, 06:11 PM	#1
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,065	Status of that Creative Cloud discussion post Hi Chris, There was a discussion on CC which was closed for some "quality control" pruning a few days ago. I don't seem to be able to find it at all. There were some really good posts in it (especially mine :). Is there a status update? Andrew

May 6th, 2015, 07:22 AM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Re: Status of that Creative Cloud discussion post Sorry for the delay, Andrew -- it'll return to public view later today. I'll post the link here as well. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 11th, 2015, 05:28 PM	#3
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,065	Re: Status of that Creative Cloud discussion post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zyjLyBp64 :-) Andrew

May 12th, 2015, 04:46 PM	#4
David Knaggs Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 826	Re: Status of that Creative Cloud discussion post Hi Andrew. I know you're keen to see those worthwhile posts restored, but I understand why it's been taking Chris some time. I think DV Info's policies make it the special place it is, with its high-signal low-noise trademark. It's also a place where the members, in the vast majority, respect each other, even when their video/film experiences might be quite different and can lead, quite naturally, to a differing point of view. If stated respectfully and with no "make-wrong", the respect usually remains between both parties. What aids that, for example, are policies such as no "controversial" subjects (politics, religion, drugs, etc.). I think that avoids areas where people have the most "fixed ideas". To me at least, a sign of someone with a fixed idea is when they stop looking and listening and do nothing but assert "I-am-right-and-you-are-wrong". All I can say is, "good luck" if you wish to further communicate to somebody stuck with a fixed idea. Nobody wins out of a situation like that (in my opinion). And that's why the "no controversial subjects" policy works so well for DV Info. It keeps the signal consistently high. So, in the rare case when a member is making a valid point on a video matter but can't resist "giving someone a backhander" (make-wrong) as well, things can escalate quickly. And nobody really "wins". As Chris attempts to remove the noise and save the signal from that voluminous thread, I wouldn't be surprised if he's also taking some time to review DV Info policy which might further eliminate noise from future threads on video subjects. (I'm only guessing and I might be dead wrong about this. But I wouldn't be surprised!) Just my two-cents. And I don't mind if nobody agrees with what I've said here. It's just an opinion.

May 28th, 2015, 09:31 AM	#7
Andy Wilkinson Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 2,853	Re: Status of that Creative Cloud discussion post I know the thread became a mess but there were a few good posts within it. Just a little nudge to remind you to try and sort it out soon Chris. __________________ Andy K Wilkinson - https://www.shootingimage.co.uk Cambridge (UK) Corporate Video Production

May 28th, 2015, 05:57 PM	#8
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,065	Re: Status of that Creative Cloud discussion post And we don't at all look like a collection of suddenly well behaved cats, sitting and looking up attentively as if it's feeding time and you hadn't noticed. Andrew

April 1st, 2018, 08:28 AM	#9
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,065	Re: Status of that Creative Cloud discussion post Almost two years have since passed. Any updates Chris? Andrew

April 1st, 2018, 09:51 AM	#11
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,065	Re: Status of that Creative Cloud discussion post A really good and timely discussion circa two years ago. And I can now report that Adobe Muse has been discontinued. This is a web site generation app and on the surface it doesn't affect us. Looking deeper, it can be revealed that its demise was because it wasn't about to seriously add to the Adobe share price and that this was therefore the foundation for the decision being made. This in turn demonstrates that Adobe has had a cultural change which may not be for the best. Video software is deemed very safe ... for now. Andrew

April 1st, 2018, 12:45 PM	#12
Paul R Johnson Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lowestoft - UK Posts: 4,045	Re: Status of that Creative Cloud discussion post Muse discontinued? Really - I've just migrated 7 websites to it!!!! Off to Adobe to find out! EDIT I got the email about closing Business Catalyst - and that isn't a worry - but, I moved TO Muse from Serif, who stopped their product, now Muse is going - and I simply HATE Wordpress. I'm on a serious downer now.

April 3rd, 2018, 05:53 PM	#14
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,065	Re: Status of that Creative Cloud discussion post Yes. (looks up with the innocence of a cat) :D Also, "Sorry for the delay, Andrew -- it'll return to public view later today." Just saying. Andrew