Movie Production Forum

Chris Hurd · February 11th, 2005, 03:09 PM

Murph:

<< get lots of colleague encouragement regarding our specific films....also, archives of important running topics of each others films. The biggest benefit I see? Having a dedicated thread (within a new "Independent Film Production" forum) of your film. >>

But don't we have this already, in our DV For the Masses forum?

Just trying to nail down the particulars.

Dylan Couper · February 11th, 2005, 04:19 PM

How about:

"Fun With Flim"?

Christopher C. Murphy · February 11th, 2005, 04:33 PM

Chris, - yes, but a central location for all things "film" make sense to me.

Also, I prefer the "Independent Film Production" type verbage over anything else. I only call them "movies" when I go to the theater and watch one. If I'm making one I call them "films" - they do that in Hollywood mostly too. If you listen....more often directors and producers use "film" when describing their work. Maybe it's me, but "movies" doesn't have the sexy sound of "film". Yes, I have to much time on my hands.

Another possible idea for a title - "Independent Filmmaking" OR what about having a main title and breaking down sections? "Dev", "Pre", "Pro" and "Post"?

Joshua Provost · February 11th, 2005, 04:51 PM

It's sort of like sorting by "form" instead of "function". We already have functional forums: tape, lighting, film look, tripods, etc. For form you might have: narrative, documentary, music video (hey!), wedding/events. The function forums are technical, but general. The form forums are specific and can deal with the form itself, such as editing and lighting styles specific to music videos, narrative shorts, trends, etc.

Rhett Allen · February 11th, 2005, 05:06 PM

...consider...
It's like Master Hurd eluded, is this going to make things a LOT more complicated? I mean now your going to have questions asked in the Digital Cinema forum that are covered ad nauseam on the various other boards. Like "what is a good beginners lighting kit?" or "which setting should I use on my DVX for this or that effect?", "what's a good microphone, tripod, external recorder, camera, bla, bla, bla?" You know how it goes.

So what are the REAL differences between making a 30 minute documentary, 30 second commercial or a 2 hour film? These are the types of subjects that could be covered in a "Cinema" forum because technically, it's really not that much different than anything else video related. You still need cameras, supports, lights, sound and then editing and post and many of the same legal issues. So why is a new forum needed? Or WHAT do you want to talk about that is not already here? (keep in mind you can always search from the root level forum as well as specific forums)
I think it's a nice idea, I just wouldn't want it to dilute or confuse the information already available here. An XL2 is an XL2 is an XL2. It doesn't matter what you're using it for, it's the same camera and it still works the same.

I think the addition of a "Wedding" forum was justified because of the more specific nature of that business. It is not scripted and there is no take two. That in itself makes it a different enough beast to quantify a separate forum.

Chris Hurd · February 11th, 2005, 05:22 PM

Rhett

<< I mean now your going to have questions asked in the Digital Cinema forum that are covered ad nauseam on the various other boards. >>

A good moderator will move those posts to the appropriate boards. And now I'm thinking, to avoid this exact issue and to help cut down on our growing cross-posting problem, we should probably have a detailed forum description at the top of each board's index page. Although it would have to be short and sweet, to keep things above the fold.

Example:

"This forum is for yada yada yada, and to discuss yada this and yada that. This forum is NOT for audio production (link), lighting (link), or how to edit with Vegas (link)"

...or something like that.

Rhett Allen · February 11th, 2005, 09:24 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Chris Hurd :... we should probably have a detailed forum description at the top of each board's index page. Although it would have to be short and sweet, to keep things above the fold.

Example:

"This forum is for yada yada yada, and to discuss yada this and yada that. This forum is NOT for audio production (link), lighting (link), or how to edit with Vegas (link)"

...or something like that. -->>>

That would be very helpful.

I mean, I've seen questions posted like (a recent one) "problem with XL2 and FCP". It was posted in the XL2 forum. Does it belong in the "XL2" forum or the "Editing for the Mac" forum? Both would be good places, but now if it were for a "Digital Cinema" production, it could end up in there and thus be even further from the answer. That's what I would be concerned with. Poor Kevin, just waiting around for an answer, blissfully unaware there is a better place, because he's asking about his "cinema" project.
That's kind of an extreme but you get the jest. There are a bunch of topics to discuss with "Digital Cinema" but I wouldn't really think "hardware" would really be one of them, except... and here's the kicker... film transfers! Do you talk about camera specific (XL,PD,DVX etc.) film transfer of frame rate/field rate specific film transfers(ie. 60i, 50i, 24p, 24pA, 25p, 30p)? Then there's HDV for film transfers AND the new HDV boards! Oh, it just keeps getting more complicated. Whew! Glad I don't have to make those decisions! Hat's off to the KennelMaster!

Chris Hurd · February 15th, 2005, 09:43 PM

Okay folks, you asked for it, you've got it...

The new forum is up! "Techiques of Independent Production" is what we're calling it. Put it to good use,

Joshua Branning · April 29th, 2005, 02:44 PM

+1

Definetly has a nice ring to it.

Jesse Bekas · April 30th, 2005, 09:35 AM

Well, I'm a little late to this discussion ;) , but I just wanted to mention something that hasn't been brought up already.

When I read through the board, there are a few forums I skip because they don't really concern what I do. As the forums get more and more specific, there will likely be less forums that I'm reading consistently.

A lot of my reading here is in topics that I just happen upon in the forums I stick to, but they are often topics that I'm not necessarily seeking out. So as we divide and divide the forum up, I think there are going to be less discussions that we all just "happen upon."

Maybe that's a good thing and the discussions will be shorter and more to the point, or maybe it'll be bad and discussions will end up involving fewer members.

Hmmm...Does anybody get that? I don't feel like I'm properly communicating what I mean. :(

Chris Hurd · April 30th, 2005, 10:05 AM

I agree, it will be harder to just stumble upon things. Right now you can collapse entire categories to make the forum index page much shorter, thereby missing out on whole sections if that's what you choose to do. I'm looking into ways that a person can opt into if they'd like to find things that might interest them... but more about that later,

Pete Wilie · April 30th, 2005, 08:24 PM

An easy way to view a sprinkling of all topics is to click on the "New Posts" link at the top of the page. This will give you new posts from ALL sections, so you have the opportunity to "happen upon" something.

Laurence Maher · May 9th, 2005, 05:10 AM

Well the unfortunate truth is I do both Weddings and movies . . . the former of which has literally no interest to me accept money, and I consider it something of an assembly line, artless day job. There's one reason I come to this site/ digital filmmaking. Movies, man, movies, and how to create a good one much less expenssively than my last endevor, which was shot on 16mm and was very difficult and laborious. If you guys make a "indie filmmaking" section/forum, I . . . am . . . there.

Dylan Couper · May 12th, 2005, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laurence Maher

Well the unfortunate truth is I do both Weddings and movies . . . the former of which has literally no interest to me accept money, and I consider it something of an assembly line, artless day job. There's one reason I come to this site/ digital filmmaking. Movies, man, movies, and how to create a good one much less expenssively than my last endevor, which was shot on 16mm and was very difficult and laborious. If you guys make a "indie filmmaking" section/forum, I . . . am . . . there.

Um, we did.

Chris Hurd · May 13th, 2005, 07:04 AM

And the link is http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=78

February 11th, 2005, 03:09 PM	#16
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Murph: << get lots of colleague encouragement regarding our specific films....also, archives of important running topics of each others films. The biggest benefit I see? Having a dedicated thread (within a new "Independent Film Production" forum) of your film. >> But don't we have this already, in our DV For the Masses forum? Just trying to nail down the particulars. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 11th, 2005, 04:19 PM	#17
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	How about: "Fun With Flim"? __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

February 11th, 2005, 04:33 PM	#18
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Chris, - yes, but a central location for all things "film" make sense to me. Also, I prefer the "Independent Film Production" type verbage over anything else. I only call them "movies" when I go to the theater and watch one. If I'm making one I call them "films" - they do that in Hollywood mostly too. If you listen....more often directors and producers use "film" when describing their work. Maybe it's me, but "movies" doesn't have the sexy sound of "film". Yes, I have to much time on my hands. Another possible idea for a title - "Independent Filmmaking" OR what about having a main title and breaking down sections? "Dev", "Pre", "Pro" and "Post"? __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

February 11th, 2005, 05:06 PM	#20
Rhett Allen Major Player Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 607	It certainly seems like a good idea BUT... ...consider... It's like Master Hurd eluded, is this going to make things a LOT more complicated? I mean now your going to have questions asked in the Digital Cinema forum that are covered ad nauseam on the various other boards. Like "what is a good beginners lighting kit?" or "which setting should I use on my DVX for this or that effect?", "what's a good microphone, tripod, external recorder, camera, bla, bla, bla?" You know how it goes. So what are the REAL differences between making a 30 minute documentary, 30 second commercial or a 2 hour film? These are the types of subjects that could be covered in a "Cinema" forum because technically, it's really not that much different than anything else video related. You still need cameras, supports, lights, sound and then editing and post and many of the same legal issues. So why is a new forum needed? Or WHAT do you want to talk about that is not already here? (keep in mind you can always search from the root level forum as well as specific forums) I think it's a nice idea, I just wouldn't want it to dilute or confuse the information already available here. An XL2 is an XL2 is an XL2. It doesn't matter what you're using it for, it's the same camera and it still works the same. I think the addition of a "Wedding" forum was justified because of the more specific nature of that business. It is not scripted and there is no take two. That in itself makes it a different enough beast to quantify a separate forum.

February 11th, 2005, 05:22 PM	#21
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Rhett << I mean now your going to have questions asked in the Digital Cinema forum that are covered ad nauseam on the various other boards. >> A good moderator will move those posts to the appropriate boards. And now I'm thinking, to avoid this exact issue and to help cut down on our growing cross-posting problem, we should probably have a detailed forum description at the top of each board's index page. Although it would have to be short and sweet, to keep things above the fold. Example: "This forum is for yada yada yada, and to discuss yada this and yada that. This forum is NOT for audio production (link), lighting (link), or how to edit with Vegas (link)" ...or something like that. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 11th, 2005, 04:51 PM	#19
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	It's sort of like sorting by "form" instead of "function". We already have functional forums: tape, lighting, film look, tripods, etc. For form you might have: narrative, documentary, music video (hey!), wedding/events. The function forums are technical, but general. The form forums are specific and can deal with the form itself, such as editing and lighting styles specific to music videos, narrative shorts, trends, etc.

February 11th, 2005, 09:24 PM	#22
Rhett Allen Major Player Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 607	<<<-- Originally posted by Chris Hurd :... we should probably have a detailed forum description at the top of each board's index page. Although it would have to be short and sweet, to keep things above the fold. Example: "This forum is for yada yada yada, and to discuss yada this and yada that. This forum is NOT for audio production (link), lighting (link), or how to edit with Vegas (link)" ...or something like that. -->>> That would be very helpful. I mean, I've seen questions posted like (a recent one) "problem with XL2 and FCP". It was posted in the XL2 forum. Does it belong in the "XL2" forum or the "Editing for the Mac" forum? Both would be good places, but now if it were for a "Digital Cinema" production, it could end up in there and thus be even further from the answer. That's what I would be concerned with. Poor Kevin, just waiting around for an answer, blissfully unaware there is a better place, because he's asking about his "cinema" project. That's kind of an extreme but you get the jest. There are a bunch of topics to discuss with "Digital Cinema" but I wouldn't really think "hardware" would really be one of them, except... and here's the kicker... film transfers! Do you talk about camera specific (XL,PD,DVX etc.) film transfer of frame rate/field rate specific film transfers(ie. 60i, 50i, 24p, 24pA, 25p, 30p)? Then there's HDV for film transfers AND the new HDV boards! Oh, it just keeps getting more complicated. Whew! Glad I don't have to make those decisions! Hat's off to the KennelMaster!

February 15th, 2005, 09:43 PM	#23
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Okay folks, you asked for it, you've got it... The new forum is up! "Techiques of Independent Production" is what we're calling it. Put it to good use, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 29th, 2005, 02:44 PM	#24
Joshua Branning Tourist Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3	+1 Definetly has a nice ring to it.

April 30th, 2005, 09:35 AM	#25
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	Well, I'm a little late to this discussion ;) , but I just wanted to mention something that hasn't been brought up already. When I read through the board, there are a few forums I skip because they don't really concern what I do. As the forums get more and more specific, there will likely be less forums that I'm reading consistently. A lot of my reading here is in topics that I just happen upon in the forums I stick to, but they are often topics that I'm not necessarily seeking out. So as we divide and divide the forum up, I think there are going to be less discussions that we all just "happen upon." Maybe that's a good thing and the discussions will be shorter and more to the point, or maybe it'll be bad and discussions will end up involving fewer members. Hmmm...Does anybody get that? I don't feel like I'm properly communicating what I mean. :(

April 30th, 2005, 10:05 AM	#26
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	I agree, it will be harder to just stumble upon things. Right now you can collapse entire categories to make the forum index page much shorter, thereby missing out on whole sections if that's what you choose to do. I'm looking into ways that a person can opt into if they'd like to find things that might interest them... but more about that later, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 30th, 2005, 08:24 PM	#27
Pete Wilie Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 331	An easy way to view a sprinkling of all topics is to click on the "New Posts" link at the top of the page. This will give you new posts from ALL sections, so you have the opportunity to "happen upon" something.

May 9th, 2005, 05:10 AM	#28
Laurence Maher Join Date: May 2004 Location: denton, texas, usa Posts: 416	Well the unfortunate truth is I do both Weddings and movies . . . the former of which has literally no interest to me accept money, and I consider it something of an assembly line, artless day job. There's one reason I come to this site/ digital filmmaking. Movies, man, movies, and how to create a good one much less expenssively than my last endevor, which was shot on 16mm and was very difficult and laborious. If you guys make a "indie filmmaking" section/forum, I . . . am . . . there.

May 13th, 2005, 07:04 AM	#30
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	And the link is http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=78 __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!