DVD-R DL vs DVD+R DL at DVinfo.net

Jon Pavli · November 13th, 2006, 05:22 PM

Hello everyone,

I am looking for some thougths and opinions regarding DVD Dual Layer discs.

1) why are DVD+R DL discs more common than DVD-R DL discs?

2) are there differences between the two beside the obivious that you can't burn one that doesn't work in a particular burner?

3) are there playback issues with either type of disc?

4) if your stand along DVD player plays DVD-R's, generally will it play DVD-R DL discs?

Thanks in advance; hope you don't mind share and shedding the light regarding this topic to a newbie.

Cheers to all!!

Emre Safak · November 13th, 2006, 07:05 PM

The DVD-R DL standard just came out.
DVD+R DL discs can be bit set to DVD-ROM. I do not know if the same can be said of DVD-R DL.
Yes. Some players do not play burned discs, as you know.
Who knows? Probably not because it is so new.

Gints Klimanis · November 13th, 2006, 07:29 PM

I'd go for DVD+RL for the reasons Emre listed. I like the faster burning rates available for the DVD+R DL and DVD+RW media.

I'm actually burning at 6x on a Plextor PX-755A. A major downside for me is burning reliability on DVD+R DL. There are too many coasters from various DL media on my burners (Plextor PX-755A and BenQ1655) with DL, regardless of the burning speed. I am not totally sure if the media (TDK, Verbatim, Maxell), the burner or the system are at fault, but I would REALLY like to see a DVD+RW DL even at $25-50.

>4) if your stand along DVD player plays DVD-R's, generally will it play DVD-R >DL discs?

I've never burned DVD-R DL disks, so I can only comment on DVD+RL . While most play, my Sony DVD player (NC-DVP665P) freaks out after the layer break often enough.

Overall, DVD+R DL works, but it's not as solid as its DVD+R or DVD-R older brothers.

Emre Safak · November 13th, 2006, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gints Klimanis

A major downside for me is burning reliability on DVD+R DL. There are too many coasters from various DL media on my burners (Plextor PX-755A and BenQ1655) with DL, regardless of the burning speed. I am not totally sure if the media (TDK, Verbatim, Maxell), the burner or the system are at fault, but I would REALLY like to see a DVD+RW DL even at $25-50.

I have settled on Verbatim DVD+R DL discs burned at 2.4x/4x with my BenQ DW1640. Nero gives me scores of over 90, so I think the burns are okay. I do not use any other brand.

Gints Klimanis · November 14th, 2006, 04:17 AM

I'm shooting for 100% perfect scores on DVD+R DL. For DVD-Video "backups", a few errors are ok for me. The Plextor and BenQ deliver that no problem. For data, it's gotta be 100%. I wish there were an easier way to add redundancy to your image. WinRAR and SmartPAR are great, but all of the extra steps bother me. I'd like to be able to setup a DVD image with raw files, push "Start" and have Nero take care of all of that for me. Baby-sitting my computer during frequent backup tasks is not my idea of fun.

Emre Safak · November 14th, 2006, 09:26 AM

I have never seen a 100% score on any media, including single layer! I think we are referring to different things. I am talking about PI/PIE scores from Nero's CD/DVD speed tool. Note that a sub-100% score does not mean that the DVD does not work properly. It is a measure of how soon one can expect the DVD to fail.

Jon Pavli · November 14th, 2006, 08:06 PM

Thanks to all those who have enlightened me...I understand a little more than I started.

Cheers!

Gints Klimanis · November 15th, 2006, 04:54 PM

Emre,

I didn't understand where you gathered the Nero scores until your last post. I'm just counting errors from the Verify after burning. Usually, I get no errors for single layer and one or more errors on dual layer.

November 13th, 2006, 05:22 PM	#1
Jon Pavli Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Washington, USA Posts: 81	DVD-R DL vs DVD+R DL Hello everyone, I am looking for some thougths and opinions regarding DVD Dual Layer discs. 1) why are DVD+R DL discs more common than DVD-R DL discs? 2) are there differences between the two beside the obivious that you can't burn one that doesn't work in a particular burner? 3) are there playback issues with either type of disc? 4) if your stand along DVD player plays DVD-R's, generally will it play DVD-R DL discs? Thanks in advance; hope you don't mind share and shedding the light regarding this topic to a newbie. Cheers to all!!

November 13th, 2006, 07:05 PM	#2
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	The DVD-R DL standard just came out. DVD+R DL discs can be bit set to DVD-ROM. I do not know if the same can be said of DVD-R DL. Yes. Some players do not play burned discs, as you know. Who knows? Probably not because it is so new.

November 13th, 2006, 07:29 PM	#3
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	I'd go for DVD+RL for the reasons Emre listed. I like the faster burning rates available for the DVD+R DL and DVD+RW media. I'm actually burning at 6x on a Plextor PX-755A. A major downside for me is burning reliability on DVD+R DL. There are too many coasters from various DL media on my burners (Plextor PX-755A and BenQ1655) with DL, regardless of the burning speed. I am not totally sure if the media (TDK, Verbatim, Maxell), the burner or the system are at fault, but I would REALLY like to see a DVD+RW DL even at $25-50. >4) if your stand along DVD player plays DVD-R's, generally will it play DVD-R >DL discs? I've never burned DVD-R DL disks, so I can only comment on DVD+RL . While most play, my Sony DVD player (NC-DVP665P) freaks out after the layer break often enough. Overall, DVD+R DL works, but it's not as solid as its DVD+R or DVD-R older brothers. Last edited by Gints Klimanis; November 14th, 2006 at 04:25 AM.

November 14th, 2006, 04:17 AM	#5
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	I'm shooting for 100% perfect scores on DVD+R DL. For DVD-Video "backups", a few errors are ok for me. The Plextor and BenQ deliver that no problem. For data, it's gotta be 100%. I wish there were an easier way to add redundancy to your image. WinRAR and SmartPAR are great, but all of the extra steps bother me. I'd like to be able to setup a DVD image with raw files, push "Start" and have Nero take care of all of that for me. Baby-sitting my computer during frequent backup tasks is not my idea of fun.

November 14th, 2006, 09:26 AM	#6
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	I have never seen a 100% score on any media, including single layer! I think we are referring to different things. I am talking about PI/PIE scores from Nero's CD/DVD speed tool. Note that a sub-100% score does not mean that the DVD does not work properly. It is a measure of how soon one can expect the DVD to fail.

November 14th, 2006, 08:06 PM	#7
Jon Pavli Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Washington, USA Posts: 81	Thanks to all those who have enlightened me...I understand a little more than I started. Cheers!

November 15th, 2006, 04:54 PM	#8
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	Emre, I didn't understand where you gathered the Nero scores until your last post. I'm just counting errors from the Verify after burning. Usually, I get no errors for single layer and one or more errors on dual layer.