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Rob Lohman · May 15th, 2003, 03:37 AM

http://www.bigpicturesusa.com/produc...t_030512_5.htm

They set it up on... ROCKS!

Dylan Couper · May 15th, 2003, 08:33 AM

180 million dollar budget and they couldn't come up with a better name than "Troy". I smell a bomb.

Rick Spilman · May 15th, 2003, 09:07 AM

And what would you suggest?

Most Hollywood execs have probably never heard of the "Iliad". "The Bootie to Launch a Thousand Ships" doesn't quite work. "Yo, Dude, Wheredya Get the Really Big Horse?" is too long.

"Troy" works for me.

K. Forman · May 15th, 2003, 09:22 AM

If it was animated, they could call it Troy Story, and get Tim Allen to do a voice over...

On a more serious note, that was quite a heavy and expensive rig to have it half-assed stacked on those rocks like that. I would hate to have it topple over... especially if I were next to it.

Rob Lohman · May 15th, 2003, 10:02 AM

Exactly my point Keith. I seem to remember they usually built
platforms and things like that.... Charles?

Wayne Orr · May 15th, 2003, 11:12 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : Exactly my point Keith. I seem to remember they usually built
platforms and things like that.... Charles? -->>>

I'm not Charles, but if you don't mind I will respond. It was obviously a very simple shot requiring no dolly movement. Using the PeeWee dolly in this position, they could boom up or down if desired. Very possibly the location was selected because there is something in the distance that they wanted in the shot behind Mr. Pitt. This was very likely the most expeditious manner to get the shot. Basically, they just took advantage of the rock because it was there. Some grips would complain that the rocks might play havoc with the wheels by gouging them, which would render them useless when placed on tracks later. But I have to believe they know what they are doing. Grips are pretty anal about these things. I am certain they did not drag the dolly over the rocky landscape, but just picked up the dolly and muscled it to the location. The camera was then placed on the dolly.

Apple boxes come in different sizes, such as full apple, half apple, quarter apple, and "pancakes." It looks to be a number of pancakes were used to level the other side of the dolly to match the height of the rock.

Note the use of the twelve by twelve silk, or possible gryflon, in the left portion of the frame. This is probably to bounce some fill light into the left side of the face. Also note the sun is directly behind B.P. I'll take a wild guess that in the shot B.P. is looking at something off in the distance, and on cue he will turn directly toward the camera in close-up, with his hair glowing from the hard sunlight. Kind of gives you shivers just thinking about it, don't it?

Rick Spilman · May 15th, 2003, 11:58 AM

I'm really annoyed that they are using a bireme with only one bank of oars. I mean, can you believe it? Neither can I. Achilles would have been so ashamed.

Keith Loh · May 15th, 2003, 01:20 PM

The latest word I heard was that they wouldn't even have the wooden horse, saying that this is about the Iliad not the Odyssey.

Rick Spilman · May 15th, 2003, 01:33 PM

Keith, the bit with the horse happens during the Iliad. The Odyssey is the story of Ulysess travels on his way home to Ithica after the fall of Troy.

Keith Loh · May 15th, 2003, 01:38 PM

I don't quite remember their full excuse but if they don't have Odysseus in there as a character then someone else would have to come up with the Trojan Horse ploy. But then, they still have to figure out a way for the Greeks to win anyway. My guess is that they just want to keep things 'realistic' i.e. not have gods or prophecies or Achilles heels or guided arrows, etc.

Wayne Orr · May 15th, 2003, 01:57 PM

Wow. Glad I spent the time replying to the original post. I actually thought you guys were interested in production techniques. Maybe I should try a literary forum?

Rick Spilman · May 15th, 2003, 02:01 PM

Wait, Sean Bean plays the wily Odysseus in the movie. I know this because my wife thinks Bean is a real hunk and is looking forward to Troy for that reason alone.

Rick Spilman · May 15th, 2003, 02:07 PM

Gee Wayne, I thought you covered the shooting on rocks topic pretty well. Is there anything more to add?

I was pleased to see that they were using actual cameras and actors in Troy. A lot of the LOTR films and the new Matrix, I understand, are computer generated shots. I haven't seen it yet, but from the trailer several key scenes from the Matrix Reloaded look a lot more CG than real, which for that film might just be OK.

Wayne Orr · May 15th, 2003, 02:44 PM

Just sour grapes on my part, Rick. I figure everone is so impressed with what I have to say, they will be replying, "Oh God, Wayne, how can we ever thank you for sharing your brilliance with we mere mortals?" You know what I mean?

Frank Granovski · May 15th, 2003, 02:46 PM

Wayne, thanks. I read all the posts including yours. Like Rick wrote, "I thought you covered the shooting on rocks topic pretty well. Is there anything more to add?"

May 15th, 2003, 03:37 AM	#1
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Even Hollywood gets down and "dirty" http://www.bigpicturesusa.com/produc...t_030512_5.htm They set it up on... ROCKS! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 15th, 2003, 08:33 AM	#2
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	180 million dollar budget and they couldn't come up with a better name than "Troy". I smell a bomb. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

May 15th, 2003, 10:02 AM	#5
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Exactly my point Keith. I seem to remember they usually built platforms and things like that.... Charles? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 15th, 2003, 11:12 AM	#6
Wayne Orr Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Northridge Ca Posts: 734	<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : Exactly my point Keith. I seem to remember they usually built platforms and things like that.... Charles? -->>> I'm not Charles, but if you don't mind I will respond. It was obviously a very simple shot requiring no dolly movement. Using the PeeWee dolly in this position, they could boom up or down if desired. Very possibly the location was selected because there is something in the distance that they wanted in the shot behind Mr. Pitt. This was very likely the most expeditious manner to get the shot. Basically, they just took advantage of the rock because it was there. Some grips would complain that the rocks might play havoc with the wheels by gouging them, which would render them useless when placed on tracks later. But I have to believe they know what they are doing. Grips are pretty anal about these things. I am certain they did not drag the dolly over the rocky landscape, but just picked up the dolly and muscled it to the location. The camera was then placed on the dolly. Apple boxes come in different sizes, such as full apple, half apple, quarter apple, and "pancakes." It looks to be a number of pancakes were used to level the other side of the dolly to match the height of the rock. Note the use of the twelve by twelve silk, or possible gryflon, in the left portion of the frame. This is probably to bounce some fill light into the left side of the face. Also note the sun is directly behind B.P. I'll take a wild guess that in the shot B.P. is looking at something off in the distance, and on cue he will turn directly toward the camera in close-up, with his hair glowing from the hard sunlight. Kind of gives you shivers just thinking about it, don't it? __________________ Wayne If it was easy, they'd get a relative to do it.

May 15th, 2003, 01:20 PM	#8
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	The latest word I heard was that they wouldn't even have the wooden horse, saying that this is about the Iliad not the Odyssey. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

May 15th, 2003, 09:07 AM	#3
Rick Spilman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 366	And what would you suggest? Most Hollywood execs have probably never heard of the "Iliad". "The Bootie to Launch a Thousand Ships" doesn't quite work. "Yo, Dude, Wheredya Get the Really Big Horse?" is too long. "Troy" works for me.

May 15th, 2003, 09:22 AM	#4
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	If it was animated, they could call it Troy Story, and get Tim Allen to do a voice over... On a more serious note, that was quite a heavy and expensive rig to have it half-assed stacked on those rocks like that. I would hate to have it topple over... especially if I were next to it.

May 15th, 2003, 11:58 AM	#7
Rick Spilman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 366	I'm really annoyed that they are using a bireme with only one bank of oars. I mean, can you believe it? Neither can I. Achilles would have been so ashamed.

May 15th, 2003, 01:33 PM	#9
Rick Spilman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 366	Keith, the bit with the horse happens during the Iliad. The Odyssey is the story of Ulysess travels on his way home to Ithica after the fall of Troy.

May 15th, 2003, 01:38 PM	#10
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	I don't quite remember their full excuse but if they don't have Odysseus in there as a character then someone else would have to come up with the Trojan Horse ploy. But then, they still have to figure out a way for the Greeks to win anyway. My guess is that they just want to keep things 'realistic' i.e. not have gods or prophecies or Achilles heels or guided arrows, etc. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

May 15th, 2003, 01:57 PM	#11
Wayne Orr Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Northridge Ca Posts: 734	Wow. Glad I spent the time replying to the original post. I actually thought you guys were interested in production techniques. Maybe I should try a literary forum? __________________ Wayne If it was easy, they'd get a relative to do it.

May 15th, 2003, 02:01 PM	#12
Rick Spilman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 366	Wait, Sean Bean plays the wily Odysseus in the movie. I know this because my wife thinks Bean is a real hunk and is looking forward to Troy for that reason alone.

May 15th, 2003, 02:07 PM	#13
Rick Spilman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 366	Gee Wayne, I thought you covered the shooting on rocks topic pretty well. Is there anything more to add? I was pleased to see that they were using actual cameras and actors in Troy. A lot of the LOTR films and the new Matrix, I understand, are computer generated shots. I haven't seen it yet, but from the trailer several key scenes from the Matrix Reloaded look a lot more CG than real, which for that film might just be OK.

May 15th, 2003, 02:44 PM	#14
Wayne Orr Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Northridge Ca Posts: 734	Just sour grapes on my part, Rick. I figure everone is so impressed with what I have to say, they will be replying, "Oh God, Wayne, how can we ever thank you for sharing your brilliance with we mere mortals?" You know what I mean? __________________ Wayne If it was easy, they'd get a relative to do it.

May 15th, 2003, 02:46 PM	#15
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Wayne, thanks. I read all the posts including yours. Like Rick wrote, "I thought you covered the shooting on rocks topic pretty well. Is there anything more to add?"