because 1080p just isnt enough... at DVinfo.net

Jeffrey Brown · May 30th, 2007, 04:41 PM

still experimental (of course) but 7680p might just be enough resolution for every video fanatic.

http://www.dailytech.com/NHK+Demonst...rticle7466.htm

Joe Busch · May 30th, 2007, 04:56 PM

that would be 4320p ;)

and up to 4000 fps...

Ridiculous slow motion? :o

Adam Palomer · May 30th, 2007, 07:35 PM

The article states: "by 2020, Ultra HD will be ready for broadcast to households."

So we'll probably get it by 2030 here in the states?

Jack Zhang · May 30th, 2007, 07:50 PM

Only the rich will get it as it is just for theatrical presentation only.

No portable UHDV cameras though, the motion will make you REALLY motion sick. Big and bulky cameras are better for UHDV.

Edit: Oh, and IMAX is already about 7000p but not 60p. 10000x7000 actually. (yet it was made in the 80s...)

Shawn McCalip · May 30th, 2007, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Palomer

The article states: "by 2020, Ultra HD will be ready for broadcast to households."

So we'll probably get it by 2030 here in the states?

Heheh.... Well, considering that small market tv stations are now just starting to switch over to broadcasting a digital SD signal, I'm not going to hold my breath. I'll give you the top 5 markets by 2030... and the others by 2040! I also cringe to think at what a display like that would cost. If 50-inch plasmas offering 1080i were selling for $20k 7 years ago, these will probably put that first-gen price to shame...

Jack might be right- only the mega-elite will be able to afford it!

Mark Kenfield · May 30th, 2007, 11:40 PM

Holy Christ child! 194Gb per minute of footage? That's like 11.6 Terabytes for 1 hour of footage. What's the data rate gonna be on that sucker?

Oh well, I guess Red's going to have to step up to the challenge - I'm envisioning a gattling-gun style array of Red Ones that shoots 8k footage by being rotated by a manual crankshaft!

Eric Stemen · May 31st, 2007, 10:53 PM

Wow, you people are very sceptical. 200 years ago, how many people would have thought cars would become a reality. 1993, I remember cd's holding more data than hard drives, now hard drives hold 500+ gigs of space.
But yes, I am also sceptical of tv stations willing to fork over more money for the resolution. How long has parts of europe had analog hd?

Bob Hart · June 1st, 2007, 12:35 AM

By then, our descendents, clad in sheepskins, might be picking over the ruins, finding the lenses and prolonging the climate change by using the pretty glassy things to light their cooking fires out in the barrens if we don't get our environmental priorities right pretty smartly..

Brian Luce · June 1st, 2007, 01:04 AM

Will that work in Vegas 4.0?

Jack Zhang · June 1st, 2007, 04:06 PM

The only way to edit this is to take all 16 HD 1080p60 streams and edit them one stream by one in perfect sync... or online editing might also work.

Paul Leung · June 2nd, 2007, 12:02 AM

Would I care? My eyes will not be able to see the difference anyway ... in 2020.

Wayne Morellini · June 2nd, 2007, 01:46 AM

This has been demoed for an number of years now. At the moment 4G can do deliver an compressed stream large enough, but optical will be able to deliver pay TV.

The best part of the best human vision tops out around something like 32-72 thousand pixels across (this is an small spot in the very centre of vision).

The problem with this stuff is focusing, so they should work out auto assist focusing systems.

Adam Palomer · June 3rd, 2007, 12:26 AM

In 1981 Bill Gates said, "Nobody will ever need more than 640K RAM!"

By the time UHDTV makes an appearence at the local electronics store a USB flash drive will hold more than 1TB.

Rob Lohman · June 3rd, 2007, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Palomer

In 1981 Bill Gates said, "Nobody will ever need more than 640K RAM!"

No, he did not. 640 KB was a limit of the architecture at that time (1 MB max, with the upper part reserved for ROM's). It was a big jump from 64 KB that was available previously and in 1981 no-one did need more than 640 KB. It was not a prediction for the future!

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bill_Gates#Misattributed

Also see how the real quote was supposedly "640K ought to be enough for anybody" (TODAY, 1981), no mention of 'ever' in there

Quote:

I have to say in 1981 making those decisions I felt like I was providing enough freedom for ten years, that is the move from 64k to 640k felt like something that would last a great deal of time

Source: http://tickletux.wordpress.com/2007/...the-640k-line/ (see update at the bottom)

In other words, they moved from 64 to 640 KB (could go no higher due to architecture limits of the Intel chip) and thought that would last 10 years.

Juni Zhao · June 3rd, 2007, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kenfield

Holy Christ child! 194Gb per minute of footage? That's like 11.6 Terabytes for 1 hour of footage. What's the data rate gonna be on that sucker?

Oh well, I guess Red's going to have to step up to the challenge - I'm envisioning a gattling-gun style array of Red Ones that shoots 8k footage by being rotated by a manual crankshaft!

11 TB in 20 years will be just like 20 GB, or maybe 10 GB today. I remember 20 years ago, we were using 16 MB hards drives :-)

May 30th, 2007, 04:41 PM	#1
Jeffrey Brown Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 37	because 1080p just isnt enough... still experimental (of course) but 7680p might just be enough resolution for every video fanatic. http://www.dailytech.com/NHK+Demonst...rticle7466.htm

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Bob Hart Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PERTH. W.A. AUSTRALIA. Posts: 4,477	By then, our descendents, clad in sheepskins, might be picking over the ruins, finding the lenses and prolonging the climate change by using the pretty glassy things to light their cooking fires out in the barrens if we don't get our environmental priorities right pretty smartly.. Last edited by Bob Hart; June 1st, 2007 at 12:37 AM. Reason: error

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Adam Palomer Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Summit, NJ Posts: 169	In 1981 Bill Gates said, "Nobody will ever need more than 640K RAM!" By the time UHDTV makes an appearence at the local electronics store a USB flash drive will hold more than 1TB. Last edited by Adam Palomer; June 3rd, 2007 at 12:28 AM. Reason: added more info

May 30th, 2007, 04:56 PM	#2
Joe Busch Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sammamish, WA Posts: 398	that would be 4320p ;) and up to 4000 fps... Ridiculous slow motion? :o

May 30th, 2007, 07:35 PM	#3
Adam Palomer Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Summit, NJ Posts: 169	The article states: "by 2020, Ultra HD will be ready for broadcast to households." So we'll probably get it by 2030 here in the states?

May 30th, 2007, 07:50 PM	#4
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Only the rich will get it as it is just for theatrical presentation only. No portable UHDV cameras though, the motion will make you REALLY motion sick. Big and bulky cameras are better for UHDV. Edit: Oh, and IMAX is already about 7000p but not 60p. 10000x7000 actually. (yet it was made in the 80s...)

May 30th, 2007, 11:40 PM	#6
Mark Kenfield Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 470	Holy Christ child! 194Gb per minute of footage? That's like 11.6 Terabytes for 1 hour of footage. What's the data rate gonna be on that sucker? Oh well, I guess Red's going to have to step up to the challenge - I'm envisioning a gattling-gun style array of Red Ones that shoots 8k footage by being rotated by a manual crankshaft!

May 31st, 2007, 10:53 PM	#7
Eric Stemen Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 378	Wow, you people are very sceptical. 200 years ago, how many people would have thought cars would become a reality. 1993, I remember cd's holding more data than hard drives, now hard drives hold 500+ gigs of space. But yes, I am also sceptical of tv stations willing to fork over more money for the resolution. How long has parts of europe had analog hd?

June 1st, 2007, 01:04 AM	#9
Brian Luce Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,290	Will that work in Vegas 4.0?

June 1st, 2007, 04:06 PM	#10
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	The only way to edit this is to take all 16 HD 1080p60 streams and edit them one stream by one in perfect sync... or online editing might also work.

June 2nd, 2007, 12:02 AM	#11
Paul Leung Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 173	Would I care? My eyes will not be able to see the difference anyway ... in 2020.

June 2nd, 2007, 01:46 AM	#12
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	This has been demoed for an number of years now. At the moment 4G can do deliver an compressed stream large enough, but optical will be able to deliver pay TV. The best part of the best human vision tops out around something like 32-72 thousand pixels across (this is an small spot in the very centre of vision). The problem with this stuff is focusing, so they should work out auto assist focusing systems.