News posts from 2003 Q2

Jim Giberti · June 3rd, 2003, 01:14 PM

Okay...now we're tech talkin. I too am a new devotee to the ZGC/Canon hat that make me look like Fonda in "On Golden Pond". On a recent TV shoot for a new sports stadium I spent the day waiting between shots under overcast skies, with my baseball cap in the VF backwards position. I'm bald. I ended up with a long oval scorch mark on my forehead. I immediately washed and shrank the extra large ZGC hat to fit my sensitive head for future outdoor work. It looks goofy, but it is truly functional for sunny outdoor shooting.

Anyone going to be at the NYC DV Expo in July? I believe I'll be part of a Canon/ZGC/P&S digital film makers roundtable...or are all you guys strictly left coastal?

Chris Hurd · June 3rd, 2003, 03:56 PM

Jim, I'll be at DV Expo East, and I'm looking forward to meeting you in person there!

I look goofy in any hat, but especially the bucket hat. I can appreciate its practicality, though.

Dylan Couper · June 14th, 2003, 09:04 AM

Finally, some justice is served. Hope this guy makes alot of new friends.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...rime_ebay_dc_2

Robert Knecht Schmidt · June 14th, 2003, 10:14 AM

I think that's the first time I've seen news like that.

If only all states had high tech crime bureaus like California.

If only they caught all the guys who ripped us off.

Nic Pesante · June 17th, 2003, 05:31 PM

You do realize you wrote 'composite' video, right? Composite video is just one RCA cable. I figure you meant component, and component is the highest quality you can get until DVD players start using DVI, which will probably never happen. And 192 khz, 24 bt it the quality of DVD audio discs, but I doubt that a $78.64 player would support DVD-A.

I guess I wasn't that much help on this, but thats my 2 cents worth.

Don Parrish · June 18th, 2003, 07:13 AM

Admittedly I may have used the component - composite thing wrong, but the specs, Y-Pb-Pr was one of the outputs and the box also touted 192 khz 24bit audio (DVD players double as CD players so it would obviously have CD quality audio), And the price was everything but taxes. Lightening strikes my parents DVD player a few days ago so for Fathers Day I go back and buy an RCA DVD player that plays CD DVD VCD etc. and also stated that if you have picture cd's all you have to do is throw it in and it would play them to?

Nic Pesante · June 18th, 2003, 09:46 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Don Parrish : Admittedly I may have used the component - composite thing wrong, but the specs, Y-Pb-Pr was one of the outputs and the box also touted 192 khz 24bit audio (DVD players double as CD players so it would obviously have CD quality audio), And the price was everything but taxes. Lightening strikes my parents DVD player a few days ago so for Fathers Day I go back and buy an RCA DVD player that plays CD DVD VCD etc. and also stated that if you have picture cd's all you have to do is throw it in and it would play them to? -->>>

Thats what I figured, I only pointed it out because I know a lot of people that use the terms totaly wrong, thats why they never undestand them. But more on the audio, CD's would max out at 16 bit, 96khz. I don't know the standard on DVD-V discs, it's probably no better than any other player, but I like Pioneer it's a good brand. Most palyers will play VCD's, but not as many will play the picture CD's. Again, the future is DVD-A. I won't even buy CD's anymore. 192khz is higher than the human ear can distinguish (sp?) but 24 bit sampling means that it will be a truer sound, more like the quality of vinyl! Ive got the Black Album, STP "Core" and Carly Simons "No Secrets" and they all sound amazing in 6.1, unfortunally there aren't too many titles I like yet. A lot of classical and stuff like that.

Christopher Hughes · June 19th, 2003, 01:02 PM

I have seen a use of Y-Pb-Pr outputs as here in the UK some of the newer projectors that are around have these inputs. So a DVD player can be connected up to these connections.

Vince Denali · June 20th, 2003, 03:41 PM

>until DVD players start using DVI, which will probably never happen.

Bravo makes a DVD player called the 'D1' with DVI output, but a review in Sound & Vision, the D1 analog output is slammed.
I'm not sure that the anlog performance is relevant when the
key feature is a digital output.

Vladimir Koifman · June 23rd, 2003, 08:14 AM

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...2793352c2ad678

Basically these guys tell they can reproduce huge dynamic range in the image from 1 to 65000 lux. Now how do we squeeze this into 8bit DV resolution. Looks like a large gamma factor is necessary.

Don Berube · June 23rd, 2003, 08:20 AM

I'm sincerely hoping that 8-bit DV cameras will be a thing of the past in the not-so-distant future...

- don

Alex Knappenberger · June 23rd, 2003, 08:30 AM

When can I buy one? :D

If this was implanted in digital camcorders and stuff, it would not only make a lot of peoples video look better, but would change a lot of opinions also.

Andre De Clercq · June 23rd, 2003, 08:53 AM

The idea of using imaging structures with pixel based AGC circuits in order to compress the dynamic range of a real world scene into the display's optical dynamic ranges is not new. When I was at Stanford about 30 years ago involved in CCD, it was already there...on paper.

Robert Knecht Schmidt · June 23rd, 2003, 09:25 AM

www.debevec.org

Vladimir Koifman · June 23rd, 2003, 09:58 AM

Robert,
As far as I can see HDR is for stills only, right?

June 3rd, 2003, 03:56 PM	#92
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Jim, I'll be at DV Expo East, and I'm looking forward to meeting you in person there! I look goofy in any hat, but especially the bucket hat. I can appreciate its practicality, though. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

June 14th, 2003, 09:04 AM	#93
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Ebay Justice Finally, some justice is served. Hope this guy makes alot of new friends. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...rime_ebay_dc_2 __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

June 14th, 2003, 10:14 AM	#94
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	I think that's the first time I've seen news like that. If only all states had high tech crime bureaus like California. If only they caught all the guys who ripped us off. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 23rd, 2003, 08:14 AM	#100
Vladimir Koifman Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Israel Posts: 115	Wide dynamic range sensor http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...2793352c2ad678 Basically these guys tell they can reproduce huge dynamic range in the image from 1 to 65000 lux. Now how do we squeeze this into 8bit DV resolution. Looks like a large gamma factor is necessary.

June 23rd, 2003, 08:20 AM	#101
Don Berube Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA (travel frequently) Posts: 837	I'm sincerely hoping that 8-bit DV cameras will be a thing of the past in the not-so-distant future... - don __________________ DONALD BERUBE - noisybrain. Productions, LLC Director Of Photography/ Producer/ Consultant http://noisybrain.com/donbio.html CREATE and NETWORK with http://www.bosfcpug.org and also http://fcpugnetwork.org

June 3rd, 2003, 01:14 PM	#91
Jim Giberti Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bethel, VT Posts: 824	Okay...now we're tech talkin. I too am a new devotee to the ZGC/Canon hat that make me look like Fonda in "On Golden Pond". On a recent TV shoot for a new sports stadium I spent the day waiting between shots under overcast skies, with my baseball cap in the VF backwards position. I'm bald. I ended up with a long oval scorch mark on my forehead. I immediately washed and shrank the extra large ZGC hat to fit my sensitive head for future outdoor work. It looks goofy, but it is truly functional for sunny outdoor shooting. Anyone going to be at the NYC DV Expo in July? I believe I'll be part of a Canon/ZGC/P&S digital film makers roundtable...or are all you guys strictly left coastal?

June 17th, 2003, 05:31 PM	#95
Nic Pesante New Boot Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11	You do realize you wrote 'composite' video, right? Composite video is just one RCA cable. I figure you meant component, and component is the highest quality you can get until DVD players start using DVI, which will probably never happen. And 192 khz, 24 bt it the quality of DVD audio discs, but I doubt that a $78.64 player would support DVD-A. I guess I wasn't that much help on this, but thats my 2 cents worth.

June 18th, 2003, 07:13 AM	#96
Don Parrish Major Player Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tavares Fla Posts: 541	Admittedly I may have used the component - composite thing wrong, but the specs, Y-Pb-Pr was one of the outputs and the box also touted 192 khz 24bit audio (DVD players double as CD players so it would obviously have CD quality audio), And the price was everything but taxes. Lightening strikes my parents DVD player a few days ago so for Fathers Day I go back and buy an RCA DVD player that plays CD DVD VCD etc. and also stated that if you have picture cd's all you have to do is throw it in and it would play them to?

June 18th, 2003, 09:46 AM	#97
Nic Pesante New Boot Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11	<<<-- Originally posted by Don Parrish : Admittedly I may have used the component - composite thing wrong, but the specs, Y-Pb-Pr was one of the outputs and the box also touted 192 khz 24bit audio (DVD players double as CD players so it would obviously have CD quality audio), And the price was everything but taxes. Lightening strikes my parents DVD player a few days ago so for Fathers Day I go back and buy an RCA DVD player that plays CD DVD VCD etc. and also stated that if you have picture cd's all you have to do is throw it in and it would play them to? -->>> Thats what I figured, I only pointed it out because I know a lot of people that use the terms totaly wrong, thats why they never undestand them. But more on the audio, CD's would max out at 16 bit, 96khz. I don't know the standard on DVD-V discs, it's probably no better than any other player, but I like Pioneer it's a good brand. Most palyers will play VCD's, but not as many will play the picture CD's. Again, the future is DVD-A. I won't even buy CD's anymore. 192khz is higher than the human ear can distinguish (sp?) but 24 bit sampling means that it will be a truer sound, more like the quality of vinyl! Ive got the Black Album, STP "Core" and Carly Simons "No Secrets" and they all sound amazing in 6.1, unfortunally there aren't too many titles I like yet. A lot of classical and stuff like that.

June 19th, 2003, 01:02 PM	#98
Christopher Hughes Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sunderland, England (y Merida, Mexico) Posts: 269	I have seen a use of Y-Pb-Pr outputs as here in the UK some of the newer projectors that are around have these inputs. So a DVD player can be connected up to these connections.

June 20th, 2003, 03:41 PM	#99
Vince Denali Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 33	>until DVD players start using DVI, which will probably never happen. Bravo makes a DVD player called the 'D1' with DVI output, but a review in Sound & Vision, the D1 analog output is slammed. I'm not sure that the anlog performance is relevant when the key feature is a digital output.

June 23rd, 2003, 08:30 AM	#102
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	When can I buy one? :D If this was implanted in digital camcorders and stuff, it would not only make a lot of peoples video look better, but would change a lot of opinions also.

June 23rd, 2003, 08:53 AM	#103
Andre De Clercq Major Player Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 804	The idea of using imaging structures with pixel based AGC circuits in order to compress the dynamic range of a real world scene into the display's optical dynamic ranges is not new. When I was at Stanford about 30 years ago involved in CCD, it was already there...on paper.

June 23rd, 2003, 09:25 AM	#104
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	Recommended HDR link www.debevec.org __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 23rd, 2003, 09:58 AM	#105
Vladimir Koifman Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Israel Posts: 115	Robert, As far as I can see HDR is for stills only, right?