David Fincher vows no more tapes post "Zodiac" feature: at DVinfo.net

Yi Fong Yu · October 12th, 2006, 08:43 PM

http://digitalcontentproducer.com/vi...oing_tapeless/

that's awesome =). he produces great content AND is technologically inclined. i love him!!!!

Jay Kavi · October 12th, 2006, 11:30 PM

interesting article. I've been a fan of Fincher for a while. Can't wait to see the movie!

Yi Fong Yu · October 13th, 2006, 12:48 PM

isn't the way he has been working done on smaller indie projects that can afford that type of setup? so... it isn't really new... just "studio-ized"? or is it really new? i'm shocked that it would be... but if the resources are still v. expensive... then i'm not surprised =).

how many MBps would you need again for 1920x1080p 4:4:4 again? i can never properly remember it.

Bob Zimmerman · October 13th, 2006, 07:18 PM

Not every one can afford that,,,

Jay Kavi · October 13th, 2006, 08:18 PM

I've never heard of any smaller indy projects using six vipers. The production flow they used seem to take available technological pieces and put them into a more streamlined workflow. But I'm definitely no expert on anything the article mentioned.

Yi Fong Yu · October 13th, 2006, 09:36 PM

no, no i didn't mean the full on everything. i meant the prosumer to consumer version of those things. you know... a 1080i/p cam with smaller 100GB disks, etc.

Jay Kavi · October 13th, 2006, 09:49 PM

Yeah then your right, the took an existing idea and just kicked it up a notch.

Michael Struthers · October 16th, 2006, 02:16 PM

Unless, of course, Zodiac bombs and Fincher is sent back to the 25 million budget level. Then all of a sudden he'll say "I've always been an admirer of film..."

Bob Grant · October 17th, 2006, 03:43 AM

I think the crew shooting Spoon beat them to a tapeless digital workflow. Shot on the SI camera as 10 bit 4:2:2 RAW. Pretty extensive coverage on this forum and this stuff is affordable.

Jacob Walker · October 17th, 2006, 08:20 AM

Apple did a little promo to advertise final cut. Its about David Fincher and his new movie.

http://www.apple.com/uk/finalcutstud...e-fincher_h640

Mathieu Ghekiere · October 17th, 2006, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob Walker

Apple did a little promo to advertise final cut. Its about David Fincher and his new movie.

http://www.apple.com/uk/finalcutstud...e-fincher_h640

Very good promotion video!
It's nice to see how director's in Hollywood, even at BIG blockbuster features are going digital with cheaper options, that they don't NEED all the superexpensive stuff, and that, as you saw in the promotion video, they in this way can count on more young and new people to help working on those features.

Smart promotion by apple.

Robert Sanders · October 18th, 2006, 12:54 PM

I think Fincher is like a lot of directors working today. They really want to work on their films at the highest possible quality level. They want to "see" the film in its most optimum form while they're cutting it and not low-res proxy versions.

The Viper and the digital tapeless workflow allows Fincher and his editor to work on the movie in DVCProHD at 720p (or 1080p) with modest color correction pre-applied to the dailies. I think this is fantastic and is nearly identicle to the way I'm already used to working. Of course I'm shoting on XLH1s (which can't compare to the Viper's filmstream mode). But my post-workflow is DVCProHD based and I'm amazed how easily my Mac cuts through the footage. It's fantastic to be editing the "offline" at "online" quality and I think Fincher is loving this way of working too.

Yi Fong Yu · October 18th, 2006, 05:03 PM

anyone who has commented in this thread working "in the industry" like charles P? i'd like more of those insiders to comment. i think it's really interesting that consumers, prosumers and pros are converging alittle. yeah i know there's a world of diff. between $1,000, $10,000 and $100,000+ equipments... but it's interesting this workflow and ultimately, a digital "platform" backend connects with front end delivery system is really cool =). i mean, if the whole system works, then it doens't matter if you are a big budgeted epic vs. small indie, you can have the same access to similar tools! =). leveling playing field.

Jarrod Whaley · October 18th, 2006, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mathieu Ghekiere

It's nice to see how director's in Hollywood, even at BIG blockbuster features are going digital with cheaper options, that they don't NEED all the superexpensive stuff, and that, as you saw in the promotion video, they in this way can count on more young and new people to help working on those features.

Vipers and the workflow that goes with them are pretty superexpensive. :)

October 12th, 2006, 08:43 PM	#1
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	David Fincher vows no more tapes post "Zodiac" feature: http://digitalcontentproducer.com/vi...oing_tapeless/ that's awesome =). he produces great content AND is technologically inclined. i love him!!!! __________________ bow wow wow

October 13th, 2006, 12:48 PM	#3
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	isn't the way he has been working done on smaller indie projects that can afford that type of setup? so... it isn't really new... just "studio-ized"? or is it really new? i'm shocked that it would be... but if the resources are still v. expensive... then i'm not surprised =). how many MBps would you need again for 1920x1080p 4:4:4 again? i can never properly remember it. __________________ bow wow wow

October 13th, 2006, 09:36 PM	#6
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	no, no i didn't mean the full on everything. i meant the prosumer to consumer version of those things. you know... a 1080i/p cam with smaller 100GB disks, etc. __________________ bow wow wow

October 16th, 2006, 02:16 PM	#8
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	Unless, of course, Zodiac bombs and Fincher is sent back to the 25 million budget level. Then all of a sudden he'll say "I've always been an admirer of film..." __________________ Michael Struthers www.buzzdigital.com

October 18th, 2006, 12:54 PM	#12
Robert Sanders Starway Pictures Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Studio City Posts: 581	I think Fincher is like a lot of directors working today. They really want to work on their films at the highest possible quality level. They want to "see" the film in its most optimum form while they're cutting it and not low-res proxy versions. The Viper and the digital tapeless workflow allows Fincher and his editor to work on the movie in DVCProHD at 720p (or 1080p) with modest color correction pre-applied to the dailies. I think this is fantastic and is nearly identicle to the way I'm already used to working. Of course I'm shoting on XLH1s (which can't compare to the Viper's filmstream mode). But my post-workflow is DVCProHD based and I'm amazed how easily my Mac cuts through the footage. It's fantastic to be editing the "offline" at "online" quality and I think Fincher is loving this way of working too. __________________ http://www.starwaypictures.com http://starwaypictures.blogspot.com/

October 12th, 2006, 11:30 PM	#2
Jay Kavi Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 243	interesting article. I've been a fan of Fincher for a while. Can't wait to see the movie!

October 13th, 2006, 07:18 PM	#4
Bob Zimmerman Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 888	Not every one can afford that,,,

October 13th, 2006, 08:18 PM	#5
Jay Kavi Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 243	I've never heard of any smaller indy projects using six vipers. The production flow they used seem to take available technological pieces and put them into a more streamlined workflow. But I'm definitely no expert on anything the article mentioned.

October 13th, 2006, 09:49 PM	#7
Jay Kavi Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 243	Yeah then your right, the took an existing idea and just kicked it up a notch.

October 17th, 2006, 03:43 AM	#9
Bob Grant Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,570	I think the crew shooting Spoon beat them to a tapeless digital workflow. Shot on the SI camera as 10 bit 4:2:2 RAW. Pretty extensive coverage on this forum and this stuff is affordable.

October 17th, 2006, 08:20 AM	#10
Jacob Walker Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Enumclaw, WA Posts: 69	Apple did a little promo to advertise final cut. Its about David Fincher and his new movie. http://www.apple.com/uk/finalcutstud...e-fincher_h640

October 18th, 2006, 05:03 PM	#13
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	anyone who has commented in this thread working "in the industry" like charles P? i'd like more of those insiders to comment. i think it's really interesting that consumers, prosumers and pros are converging alittle. yeah i know there's a world of diff. between $1,000, $10,000 and $100,000+ equipments... but it's interesting this workflow and ultimately, a digital "platform" backend connects with front end delivery system is really cool =). i mean, if the whole system works, then it doens't matter if you are a big budgeted epic vs. small indie, you can have the same access to similar tools! =). leveling playing field. __________________ bow wow wow