News posts from 2002

Chris Hurd · September 26th, 2002, 08:15 AM

Trust me, I know this group... if Guy and crew make it to Amsterdam, well, the whole thing comes to a stop and you couldn't make them leave that town for a week or two.

;-)

Dylan Couper · September 26th, 2002, 02:23 PM

So I should just keep saving for a Mini35, huh? :)

Paul Sedillo · September 26th, 2002, 04:50 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Guy Cochran : For those of you interested in seeing an entire project shot, edited, and compressed for the web in just 2 and 1/2 hours, come to the Free DV Revolution Seminar Tour. We'll be coming to most every major US city.

You'll see Canon cameras, Tiffen Filters, Lowel lighting, Pinnacle Edition DV editing software, Artbeats stock footage, Sonicfire Pro soundtrack creation software, and Cleaner 5 for exporting your project to the web, CD-ROM or DVD.

Learn more at:

http://www.editionplanet.com/
http://www.dvcreators.net/ -->>>

Guy,

I have been trading emails with Jim T. regarding your upcoming Houston event. We are looking forward to your group heading down to Texas. Look forward to meeting you if you make the trip.

Guy Cochran · September 26th, 2002, 07:35 PM

Hi Ken,

I do indeed remember the Chicago workshop with you. Lot's o' fun at 10 South Wacker. I remember you were the one who also has done presentations and said not to drink too much coffee...

If you recall Day 1 of the DV Revolution Workshop is shooting, Day 2 Editing, Day 3 Delivery. Since anyone can take any single day of the workshop, we would have twice as many people on Day 1 as Day 2. Why you ask? Half of the attendees use a PC solution. Up until now, we could not find a powerful, reliable, yet inexpensive NLE on the PC side that could be on the same level as Final Cut Pro.
Well, now we have, and we are proud to be showing off - and hosting workshops on Edition DV. We still have the best Final Cut Pro workshops across the country, and now we have the best coast-to-coast PC workshops as well. This gives everyone a chance to join the Revolution at a killer price point and with professional tools to boot.

I look forward to seeing you all out there on the Free Tour.... and Rob... I really, really wish we were touring Europe!

Guy Cochran
DVcreators.net

Jeff Donald · September 27th, 2002, 07:31 PM

Check out the review on http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/09_sep/features/cw_fcp_vs_xdv_shootout.htm Very complete review by an experienced Avid editor. Unlike many reviews this one names a winner.

Jeff

Chris Hurd · September 27th, 2002, 10:39 PM

For a change, this is a DMN article *not* written by Charlie White (ugh) but instead by Peter May (hooray).

Ken Tanaka · September 28th, 2002, 12:47 AM

Wow, that's quite an exhaustive and unique review. I don't think I've ever seen sluggish audio noted in any review of XDV.

Martin Munthe · September 29th, 2002, 04:44 AM

Great review. I wish more reviews cold be this "hands on". I come from an Avid background and have been doing FCP since 1.0 and have the same feeling of being old whenever I go back to Avids. Theres a lot more "next generation EDL" connected to FCP.

Rob Lohman · September 30th, 2002, 10:22 AM

Me too Guy.... workshops and such are almost nowhere to be
found around here. And if they are I am highly doubting them and
there quality (and price vs. quality for that matter). Oh well,
perhaps I can sometime attend a workshop in the US.

Thanks anyways for doing this and bringing it to our attention.

Frank Granovski · September 30th, 2002, 03:38 PM

JVC has announced a new cam. It is a hand-held, digital HD cam with 3, 1/3" CCDs. (It looks like a Sony PD100A, but brown in color). For a picture and the JVC link, go to the news section here:

www.dvfreak.com/links.htm

Rob Lohman · October 1st, 2002, 07:00 AM

From what I could decipher from the japanese text (my japanese
isn't that good -- ie, non existent)

- It will record DV and MPEG2
- Records the following resolutions:

720x480 or 720x525: interlaced, DV
720x480 or 720x525: progressive, MPEG2
1280x720 or 1280x750: progressive, MPEG2

All on miniDV tape? Probably will *NOT* be standards
compliant though. I hope they have a very good NLE
that can handle MPEG2 and that the MPEG2 is I-frame
only.

Anyone else found some interesting information on this?

Joe Carney · October 1st, 2002, 10:25 AM

JVC announced a few years ago their plans on making a new HD camera. They proposed (along with Panasonic) the DV100 spec.
720x1280 8bit 4:2:2 color at up to 60p. I think Pana got the jump on them with the veri cam, but didn't make it to the specs originally laid out. By the looks of the picture, they have a new, wider tape based system. If it works, I don't care if it's proprietary.

Most of us use the dv25 spec for mini-dv and DVCAM tapes. 8bit 4:1:1 NTSC 4:2:0 PAL

A step up is DV50 which is what D9 and DVCPRO50 comply with.
8bit 4:2:2 NTSC or PAL
This is the next thing they were talking about..

Nice thing is, DV100 still works within the the 400mb spec of 1394.

Its not going to affect what I buy in the next couple of weeks, but if it's any good, I'll get it in the future.

Rob Lohman · October 1st, 2002, 11:07 AM

Well... what I understand from that japanese site it seems like
they are only using DV with their standard DV25 compliant
signal. Everything else seems to be using MPEG2 (stored on a
DV tape???)

We will see where it all goes.....

Joe Carney · October 1st, 2002, 12:11 PM

Okay Rob, I don't read japanese, so I'll take your word for it. I've emailed a query to JVC to find out more. If it's high quality i-frame only mpeg, that might be alright, but traditionally mpeg2 is not a great format to edit in.

Jeff Chandler · October 3rd, 2002, 03:27 PM

Unfortunately, for me anyway, and I suspect for at least a few others, FCP isn't even in the picture because it's only available for the Mac, and I don't want to blow all my money on the hardware. I wish they would widen their horizons and port it to windows (I know, it will never happen!). In the meantime, I am using XDV3 and I like it a lot.

September 26th, 2002, 08:15 AM	#106
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Trust me, I know this group... if Guy and crew make it to Amsterdam, well, the whole thing comes to a stop and you couldn't make them leave that town for a week or two. ;-) __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 26th, 2002, 04:50 PM	#108
Paul Sedillo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 607	Re: Free DV Revolution Seminar Tour <<<-- Originally posted by Guy Cochran : For those of you interested in seeing an entire project shot, edited, and compressed for the web in just 2 and 1/2 hours, come to the Free DV Revolution Seminar Tour. We'll be coming to most every major US city. You'll see Canon cameras, Tiffen Filters, Lowel lighting, Pinnacle Edition DV editing software, Artbeats stock footage, Sonicfire Pro soundtrack creation software, and Cleaner 5 for exporting your project to the web, CD-ROM or DVD. Learn more at: http://www.editionplanet.com/ http://www.dvcreators.net/ -->>> Guy, I have been trading emails with Jim T. regarding your upcoming Houston event. We are looking forward to your group heading down to Texas. Look forward to meeting you if you make the trip. __________________ Paul Sedillo Image::Studio http://www.image-studio.com Houston, Texas

September 27th, 2002, 07:31 PM	#110
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	FCP 3 vs. Avid Xpress DV....The Winner is.... Check out the review on http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/09_sep/features/cw_fcp_vs_xdv_shootout.htm Very complete review by an experienced Avid editor. Unlike many reviews this one names a winner. Jeff

September 27th, 2002, 10:39 PM	#111
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	For a change, this is a DMN article not written by Charlie White (ugh) but instead by Peter May (hooray). __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 28th, 2002, 12:47 AM	#112
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Wow, that's quite an exhaustive and unique review. I don't think I've ever seen sluggish audio noted in any review of XDV. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

September 26th, 2002, 02:23 PM	#107
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	So I should just keep saving for a Mini35, huh? :)

September 26th, 2002, 07:35 PM	#109
Guy Cochran DVCreators.Net Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 892	Hi Ken, I do indeed remember the Chicago workshop with you. Lot's o' fun at 10 South Wacker. I remember you were the one who also has done presentations and said not to drink too much coffee... If you recall Day 1 of the DV Revolution Workshop is shooting, Day 2 Editing, Day 3 Delivery. Since anyone can take any single day of the workshop, we would have twice as many people on Day 1 as Day 2. Why you ask? Half of the attendees use a PC solution. Up until now, we could not find a powerful, reliable, yet inexpensive NLE on the PC side that could be on the same level as Final Cut Pro. Well, now we have, and we are proud to be showing off - and hosting workshops on Edition DV. We still have the best Final Cut Pro workshops across the country, and now we have the best coast-to-coast PC workshops as well. This gives everyone a chance to join the Revolution at a killer price point and with professional tools to boot. I look forward to seeing you all out there on the Free Tour.... and Rob... I really, really wish we were touring Europe! Guy Cochran DVcreators.net

September 29th, 2002, 04:44 AM	#113
Martin Munthe Major Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 331	Great review. I wish more reviews cold be this "hands on". I come from an Avid background and have been doing FCP since 1.0 and have the same feeling of being old whenever I go back to Avids. Theres a lot more "next generation EDL" connected to FCP. __________________ Martin Munthe VFX Supervisor/DP/Director

September 30th, 2002, 10:22 AM	#114
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Me too Guy.... workshops and such are almost nowhere to be found around here. And if they are I am highly doubting them and there quality (and price vs. quality for that matter). Oh well, perhaps I can sometime attend a workshop in the US. Thanks anyways for doing this and bringing it to our attention. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 30th, 2002, 03:38 PM	#115
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	The World's first consumer HD cam! JVC has announced a new cam. It is a hand-held, digital HD cam with 3, 1/3" CCDs. (It looks like a Sony PD100A, but brown in color). For a picture and the JVC link, go to the news section here: www.dvfreak.com/links.htm

October 1st, 2002, 07:00 AM	#116
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	From what I could decipher from the japanese text (my japanese isn't that good -- ie, non existent) - It will record DV and MPEG2 - Records the following resolutions: 720x480 or 720x525: interlaced, DV 720x480 or 720x525: progressive, MPEG2 1280x720 or 1280x750: progressive, MPEG2 All on miniDV tape? Probably will NOT be standards compliant though. I hope they have a very good NLE that can handle MPEG2 and that the MPEG2 is I-frame only. Anyone else found some interesting information on this? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 1st, 2002, 10:25 AM	#117
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	JVC announced a few years ago their plans on making a new HD camera. They proposed (along with Panasonic) the DV100 spec. 720x1280 8bit 4:2:2 color at up to 60p. I think Pana got the jump on them with the veri cam, but didn't make it to the specs originally laid out. By the looks of the picture, they have a new, wider tape based system. If it works, I don't care if it's proprietary. Most of us use the dv25 spec for mini-dv and DVCAM tapes. 8bit 4:1:1 NTSC 4:2:0 PAL A step up is DV50 which is what D9 and DVCPRO50 comply with. 8bit 4:2:2 NTSC or PAL This is the next thing they were talking about.. Nice thing is, DV100 still works within the the 400mb spec of 1394. Its not going to affect what I buy in the next couple of weeks, but if it's any good, I'll get it in the future.

October 1st, 2002, 11:07 AM	#118
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Well... what I understand from that japanese site it seems like they are only using DV with their standard DV25 compliant signal. Everything else seems to be using MPEG2 (stored on a DV tape???) We will see where it all goes..... __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 1st, 2002, 12:11 PM	#119
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Okay Rob, I don't read japanese, so I'll take your word for it. I've emailed a query to JVC to find out more. If it's high quality i-frame only mpeg, that might be alright, but traditionally mpeg2 is not a great format to edit in.

October 3rd, 2002, 03:27 PM	#120
Jeff Chandler Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mesa, Az. Posts: 167	Unfortunately, for me anyway, and I suspect for at least a few others, FCP isn't even in the picture because it's only available for the Mac, and I don't want to blow all my money on the hardware. I wish they would widen their horizons and port it to windows (I know, it will never happen!). In the meantime, I am using XDV3 and I like it a lot. __________________ Jeff Chandler