Panasonic GH5 is coming at DVinfo.net

Bryce Comer · September 19th, 2016, 12:58 PM

LUMIX GH5
A lot to like for a camera in this price range!

Dylan Couper · September 19th, 2016, 12:59 PM

But but but... all the rumor sites told me it would be 8k?!?!?!? Waaaah!

Bryce Comer · September 19th, 2016, 01:00 PM

Just buy 2 Dylan. There you go, 8k! :)

Dylan Couper · September 19th, 2016, 01:19 PM

Heh, I'll get my crazy glue ready!

What's interesting to me is the 6k photo mode... Not 6k video mode? Whats up wit dat?

Noa Put · September 19th, 2016, 02:27 PM

And no word about IBIS?

Steve Burkett · September 19th, 2016, 02:37 PM

I'm hoping ibis is just a feature that is just included and not a major selling point; hence the lack of mention They've also announced a G80 which has ibis, so it feels criminal not to include on their flagship mode as well. Aside from that, 4k at 50/60 fps is more than I hoped and very welcome. 4:2:2 10 bit internal video again a major plus and I love the new xlr audio mount for the hotshot. So much better than the terrible ugly box that became available with the gh4 as an expensive extra. Much more practical this new one and worth getting.

Honestly today has seen so many great announcements after Canons lacklustre video specs on its releases. With this, the new GoPro plus drone and gimbal; I've got some saving up to do. A great day for some new video tech.

Philip Lipetz · September 19th, 2016, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan Couper

But but but... all the rumor sites told me it would be 8k?!?!?!? Waaaah!

It would take four cameras to do 8k

Bryce Comer · September 19th, 2016, 04:07 PM

Agreed Steve, that hotshoe mounted audio interface looks the goods! I am also wondering if it will work with the GH4?
As far as the IBIS is concerned, if it comes, great, but i pretty much always use my GH4 on a tripod anyway. When i'm not, i am using it handheld with the 14-140mm lens which i am very impressed with, with it's image stabilization.
60fps for me is awesome. This will allow me to get far better shots of animals in motion than i get with 30fps. The occasional shakiness with handheld shots will look far better shot at 60fps too when stabilized in post. It does sound like 60fps will only be recorded in 8 bit 4:2:2 in body rather than the 10 bit, but i can certainly live with that!
Bryce

Noa Put · September 19th, 2016, 04:20 PM

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As far as the IBIS is concerned, if it comes, great, but i pretty much always use my GH4 on a tripod anyway. When i'm not, i am using it handheld with the 14-140mm lens which i am very impressed with, with it's image stabilization.

I shot handheld with a non stabilized 40-150mm olympus lens @ 150mm on my gx85 last weekend and eventhough I have not compared this yet, I am almost sure the ibis performs better then a stabilized 14-140m on a gh4 which I also own, it just opens up so much possibilities that where impossible to do before, like shooting jitter free with a 75mm f1.8 prime lens handheld and it has given my way of capturing weddings a whole new dimension. That IBIS is not something you can dismiss as not that important and panasonic would be stupid to not include it on their flagship, unless there is a technical limitation in not doing so. I personally value the IBIS higher then their new codec.

Bryce Comer · September 19th, 2016, 05:06 PM

Yeah sorry Noa, not trying to dismiss it at all. I do find the GX85 pretty darn cool with the IBIS, i just don't feel i get that much more stabilization with it. This is using the same lens on both cameras. Maybe i need to get out & test it again!! :)
I have to say though, that the ergonomics of the GH4 are far better than the GX85. I am forever changing settings on the GX 85 accidentally :(
One thing i definitely don't like so much about the IBIS on the GX85 is the noise it makes. In a hide when i am filming nature stuff, the darn thing sounds super loud!
Regards,
Bryce

Jack Zhang · September 19th, 2016, 05:21 PM

More likely the 50/60p modes will be 8bit 4:2:0 at 150mbps, just like what we currently have in the DVX200.

The HDMI output won't gain you any quality cause the current camcorder/DSLR HDMI chips can only output 4K 60p at 8bit 4:2:0.

Bryce Comer · September 19th, 2016, 05:24 PM

Yeah you're right Jack, just not sure of the exact specs yet. I think i read somewhere that the 60p mode would be 8 bit 4:2:2 not the 10 bit 4:2:2 of the 4k 30p. If this is indeed the case, well i can live with that!

Jack Zhang · September 19th, 2016, 05:31 PM

They said the FS7 had 8bit 4:2:2 in XAVC-L 4K, but it's actually 8bit 4:2:0.

All 4K 60p cameras below the FS7 shoot 8bit 4:2:0 in 4K 60p. The FS7 and above shoots 10bit 4:2:2 4K 60p in XAVC-I only. (which isn't economical data-wise)

Bryce Comer · September 19th, 2016, 05:58 PM

Ok, but the GH5 isn't actually out yet, nor are all the specs. How can you say it's 4:2:0? Do you know that for sure?

Jack Zhang · September 19th, 2016, 06:15 PM

Hardware has to be decided on well in advance. You can't gamble on a chip that meets your needs to just magically appear halfway through development. Currently there is no ASIC on the planet that can do 10bit 4:2:2 4K 60p Long-GOP. To maximize compatibility, manufacturers choose 8bit 4:2:0 when writing to the .MP4 format in H.264 for wide NLE compatibility. 8bit 4:2:2 in H.264 is not widely supported. 10bit 4:2:2 is though.

September 19th, 2016, 12:58 PM	#1
Bryce Comer Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rossland, British Columbia Posts: 1,024	Panasonic GH5 is coming LUMIX GH5 A lot to like for a camera in this price range! __________________ There's never enough hours in the day!

September 19th, 2016, 12:59 PM	#2
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Re: Panasonic GH5 is coming But but but... all the rumor sites told me it would be 8k?!?!?!? Waaaah! __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

September 19th, 2016, 01:00 PM	#3
Bryce Comer Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rossland, British Columbia Posts: 1,024	Re: Panasonic GH5 is coming Just buy 2 Dylan. There you go, 8k! :) __________________ There's never enough hours in the day!

September 19th, 2016, 01:19 PM	#4
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Re: Panasonic GH5 is coming Heh, I'll get my crazy glue ready! What's interesting to me is the 6k photo mode... Not 6k video mode? Whats up wit dat? __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

September 19th, 2016, 02:27 PM	#5
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: Panasonic GH5 is coming And no word about IBIS?

September 19th, 2016, 02:37 PM	#6
Steve Burkett Trustee Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Romsey, UK Posts: 1,261	Re: Panasonic GH5 is coming I'm hoping ibis is just a feature that is just included and not a major selling point; hence the lack of mention They've also announced a G80 which has ibis, so it feels criminal not to include on their flagship mode as well. Aside from that, 4k at 50/60 fps is more than I hoped and very welcome. 4:2:2 10 bit internal video again a major plus and I love the new xlr audio mount for the hotshot. So much better than the terrible ugly box that became available with the gh4 as an expensive extra. Much more practical this new one and worth getting. Honestly today has seen so many great announcements after Canons lacklustre video specs on its releases. With this, the new GoPro plus drone and gimbal; I've got some saving up to do. A great day for some new video tech.

September 19th, 2016, 04:07 PM	#8
Bryce Comer Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rossland, British Columbia Posts: 1,024	Re: Panasonic GH5 is coming Agreed Steve, that hotshoe mounted audio interface looks the goods! I am also wondering if it will work with the GH4? As far as the IBIS is concerned, if it comes, great, but i pretty much always use my GH4 on a tripod anyway. When i'm not, i am using it handheld with the 14-140mm lens which i am very impressed with, with it's image stabilization. 60fps for me is awesome. This will allow me to get far better shots of animals in motion than i get with 30fps. The occasional shakiness with handheld shots will look far better shot at 60fps too when stabilized in post. It does sound like 60fps will only be recorded in 8 bit 4:2:2 in body rather than the 10 bit, but i can certainly live with that! Bryce __________________ There's never enough hours in the day!

September 19th, 2016, 05:06 PM	#10
Bryce Comer Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rossland, British Columbia Posts: 1,024	Re: Panasonic GH5 is coming Yeah sorry Noa, not trying to dismiss it at all. I do find the GX85 pretty darn cool with the IBIS, i just don't feel i get that much more stabilization with it. This is using the same lens on both cameras. Maybe i need to get out & test it again!! :) I have to say though, that the ergonomics of the GH4 are far better than the GX85. I am forever changing settings on the GX 85 accidentally :( One thing i definitely don't like so much about the IBIS on the GX85 is the noise it makes. In a hide when i am filming nature stuff, the darn thing sounds super loud! Regards, Bryce __________________ There's never enough hours in the day!

September 19th, 2016, 05:21 PM	#11
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: Panasonic GH5 is coming More likely the 50/60p modes will be 8bit 4:2:0 at 150mbps, just like what we currently have in the DVX200. The HDMI output won't gain you any quality cause the current camcorder/DSLR HDMI chips can only output 4K 60p at 8bit 4:2:0.

September 19th, 2016, 05:24 PM	#12
Bryce Comer Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rossland, British Columbia Posts: 1,024	Re: Panasonic GH5 is coming Yeah you're right Jack, just not sure of the exact specs yet. I think i read somewhere that the 60p mode would be 8 bit 4:2:2 not the 10 bit 4:2:2 of the 4k 30p. If this is indeed the case, well i can live with that! __________________ There's never enough hours in the day!

September 19th, 2016, 05:31 PM	#13
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: Panasonic GH5 is coming They said the FS7 had 8bit 4:2:2 in XAVC-L 4K, but it's actually 8bit 4:2:0. All 4K 60p cameras below the FS7 shoot 8bit 4:2:0 in 4K 60p. The FS7 and above shoots 10bit 4:2:2 4K 60p in XAVC-I only. (which isn't economical data-wise)

September 19th, 2016, 05:58 PM	#14
Bryce Comer Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rossland, British Columbia Posts: 1,024	Re: Panasonic GH5 is coming Ok, but the GH5 isn't actually out yet, nor are all the specs. How can you say it's 4:2:0? Do you know that for sure? __________________ There's never enough hours in the day!

September 19th, 2016, 06:15 PM	#15
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: Panasonic GH5 is coming Hardware has to be decided on well in advance. You can't gamble on a chip that meets your needs to just magically appear halfway through development. Currently there is no ASIC on the planet that can do 10bit 4:2:2 4K 60p Long-GOP. To maximize compatibility, manufacturers choose 8bit 4:2:0 when writing to the .MP4 format in H.264 for wide NLE compatibility. 8bit 4:2:2 in H.264 is not widely supported. 10bit 4:2:2 is though.