New Sony FDR AX33 at DVinfo.net

Cliff Totten · January 4th, 2015, 08:24 PM

CES 2015: preview Sony's new 4K video cameras

First Sony CES camera leak!

1 inch type sensor?
Balanced Optical Stabilization?
100Mbp/s UHD? (I certainly hope so!)

Seems pretty cheap. Will this replace the AX100?

Judging by the lens speed and different pixel count, I dont think its the same AX100 sensor. Looks like it could be a smaller sensor.

CT

Glen Vandermolen · January 4th, 2015, 09:01 PM

I wonder if this is the rumored Sony camcorder I've heard about? I was expecting a more professional model.

Ron Evans · January 4th, 2015, 09:41 PM

Maybe a new sensor common to it and the new Action cam. Likely a 1/3" unit ? Will have to see if it does 60P with image stabilization which would give an advantage over the GoPro. I guess we will have to wait until tomorrow to get more details as I am sure this may be an unapproved release.

Ron Evans

Wacharapong Chiowanich · January 4th, 2015, 10:17 PM

My guess is it's a compact, light weight chassis comparable to the current PJ790V/NX30 cameras. The sensor would be around 1/3" but more likely 1/2.3". It is also very likely to have the BOSS system to set it apart from any 4K cams in any price category. Low light performance won't be as good as the AX100 but in good light it should be close or even unnoticeable. Unlikely to have 4K/60p or 50p due mainly to marketing reasons and not Sony's inability to make a more power efficient IP or meet the cooling requirement.

Glen Vandermolen · January 4th, 2015, 10:35 PM

Aaaannnd...the link died.

Jack Zhang · January 5th, 2015, 04:14 AM

If it's 1/2.3'', expect the fixed pattern noise found in the FDR-AX1 to creep back on over. At least Panasonic used 2 less megapixels to increase low light performance by a bit. I don't see fixed pattern noise on the Panasonics neither, only random noise, but there's still noise there.

1'' is the sweet spot for consumer 4K sensors, and using less megapixels on that 1'' type sensor would greatly improve performance.

Cliff Totten · January 5th, 2015, 04:32 AM

I think USA Today just violated their NDA!

Im glad I copied thier .jpg before they realized it...lol

Ugo Merlini · January 5th, 2015, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen Vandermolen

I wonder if this is the rumored Sony camcorder I've heard about? I was expecting a more professional model.

teorically are three new cams and one actioncam. I hope in a ax100 with 50p but not surprise me of a budget and a mid 4k camera like the cx900 and ax100 was last year . The image leaked probably is the budget one

Cliff Totten · January 5th, 2015, 05:26 AM

Yeah,...Sony also has an "X1000V" supposedly being announced too.

This could be the rumored interchangeable lens Handycam similar to the VG30 or VG900....[edit]..WRONG!...no such luck. It's an Actioncam

Will it be full frame or APSC.

Could it have the A7s sensor?....wow.

Jurij Turnsek · January 5th, 2015, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen Vandermolen

Aaaannnd...the link died.

not much info anyway:
CES 2015: preview Sony's new 4K video cameras

Darren Levine · January 5th, 2015, 08:18 PM

Cliff Totten · January 5th, 2015, 08:25 PM

Oh wonderful.......

They gave this little guy 100Mbp/s UHD.

Meanwhile, the AX100 (for $700 more money) is stuck at a lousy 60Mbp/s.

Sony, give is a firmware update!...I HATE it when cheaper and lower models have better codecs than their higher priced cousins.

CT

Ron Evans · January 5th, 2015, 08:51 PM

I heard her say 60Mbps for the AX33 . The Actioncam X1000 though does seem to record at 100Mbps in 4K with timecode. 60Mbps for HD.

The AX33 may be a nice replacement for my CX700 though I am not a fan of slow frame rates. Which is why I have the FDR-AX1. I expect all the low light performances may not be that good though.

Ron Evans

Cliff Totten · January 5th, 2015, 09:58 PM

Yeah,...she said 60Mbp/s. However, B&H has this on their website:

"Note: UHS-I U3 or higher SDXC memory card required for 100Mbps 4K recording, and Class 10 or higher SDXC required for 60Mbps 4K recording."

B&H could be wrong. They have made mistakes before.

Hopefully this week, somebody can get a hands on review of this little guy to verify.

Dave Blackhurst · January 6th, 2015, 01:27 AM

There seem to be quite a few "questionable" specs being tossed around...

Sony CES site does say 100Mbps, and indicates it needs a faster card, so "maybe"... still 30p though. More problematic is that they say 1" sensor in one spot, and 1/2.3" in another... the latter is more likely with the BOSS (not sure how they would get the larger sensor into the gimbal...), and appears to be the same one that's in the action cam? Pricing is quoted as $999 in the video by the "talent", and is shown as $1099 on the CES announcement page...

Not seeing it as a AX100 class camera by any means, but it replaces the old CX/PJ7xx series, more or less.

Anyone find any video shot with one yet, that's the "proof of the pudding"!

January 4th, 2015, 08:24 PM	#1
Cliff Totten Trustee Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 1,197	New Sony FDR AX33 CES 2015: preview Sony's new 4K video cameras First Sony CES camera leak! 1 inch type sensor? Balanced Optical Stabilization? 100Mbp/s UHD? (I certainly hope so!) Seems pretty cheap. Will this replace the AX100? Judging by the lens speed and different pixel count, I dont think its the same AX100 sensor. Looks like it could be a smaller sensor. CT Attached Thumbnails

January 4th, 2015, 09:01 PM	#2
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Re: New Sony FDR AX33 I wonder if this is the rumored Sony camcorder I've heard about? I was expecting a more professional model.

January 4th, 2015, 09:41 PM	#3
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	Re: New Sony FDR AX33 Maybe a new sensor common to it and the new Action cam. Likely a 1/3" unit ? Will have to see if it does 60P with image stabilization which would give an advantage over the GoPro. I guess we will have to wait until tomorrow to get more details as I am sure this may be an unapproved release. Ron Evans

January 4th, 2015, 10:17 PM	#4
Wacharapong Chiowanich Major Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 400	Re: New Sony FDR AX33 My guess is it's a compact, light weight chassis comparable to the current PJ790V/NX30 cameras. The sensor would be around 1/3" but more likely 1/2.3". It is also very likely to have the BOSS system to set it apart from any 4K cams in any price category. Low light performance won't be as good as the AX100 but in good light it should be close or even unnoticeable. Unlikely to have 4K/60p or 50p due mainly to marketing reasons and not Sony's inability to make a more power efficient IP or meet the cooling requirement.

January 4th, 2015, 10:35 PM	#5
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Re: New Sony FDR AX33 Aaaannnd...the link died.

January 5th, 2015, 04:14 AM	#6
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: New Sony FDR AX33 If it's 1/2.3'', expect the fixed pattern noise found in the FDR-AX1 to creep back on over. At least Panasonic used 2 less megapixels to increase low light performance by a bit. I don't see fixed pattern noise on the Panasonics neither, only random noise, but there's still noise there. 1'' is the sweet spot for consumer 4K sensors, and using less megapixels on that 1'' type sensor would greatly improve performance.

January 5th, 2015, 04:32 AM	#7
Cliff Totten Trustee Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 1,197	Re: New Sony FDR AX33 I think USA Today just violated their NDA! Im glad I copied thier .jpg before they realized it...lol

January 5th, 2015, 05:26 AM	#9
Cliff Totten Trustee Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 1,197	Re: New Sony FDR AX33 Yeah,...Sony also has an "X1000V" supposedly being announced too. This could be the rumored interchangeable lens Handycam similar to the VG30 or VG900....[edit]..WRONG!...no such luck. It's an Actioncam Will it be full frame or APSC. Could it have the A7s sensor?....wow. Last edited by Cliff Totten; January 5th, 2015 at 08:22 PM.

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January 5th, 2015, 08:25 PM	#12
Cliff Totten Trustee Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 1,197	Re: New Sony FDR AX33 Oh wonderful....... They gave this little guy 100Mbp/s UHD. Meanwhile, the AX100 (for $700 more money) is stuck at a lousy 60Mbp/s. Sony, give is a firmware update!...I HATE it when cheaper and lower models have better codecs than their higher priced cousins. CT

January 5th, 2015, 08:51 PM	#13
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	Re: New Sony FDR AX33 I heard her say 60Mbps for the AX33 . The Actioncam X1000 though does seem to record at 100Mbps in 4K with timecode. 60Mbps for HD. The AX33 may be a nice replacement for my CX700 though I am not a fan of slow frame rates. Which is why I have the FDR-AX1. I expect all the low light performances may not be that good though. Ron Evans

January 5th, 2015, 09:58 PM	#14
Cliff Totten Trustee Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 1,197	Re: New Sony FDR AX33 Yeah,...she said 60Mbp/s. However, B&H has this on their website: "Note: UHS-I U3 or higher SDXC memory card required for 100Mbps 4K recording, and Class 10 or higher SDXC required for 60Mbps 4K recording." B&H could be wrong. They have made mistakes before. Hopefully this week, somebody can get a hands on review of this little guy to verify.

January 6th, 2015, 01:27 AM	#15
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Re: New Sony FDR AX33 There seem to be quite a few "questionable" specs being tossed around... Sony CES site does say 100Mbps, and indicates it needs a faster card, so "maybe"... still 30p though. More problematic is that they say 1" sensor in one spot, and 1/2.3" in another... the latter is more likely with the BOSS (not sure how they would get the larger sensor into the gimbal...), and appears to be the same one that's in the action cam? Pricing is quoted as $999 in the video by the "talent", and is shown as $1099 on the CES announcement page... Not seeing it as a AX100 class camera by any means, but it replaces the old CX/PJ7xx series, more or less. Anyone find any video shot with one yet, that's the "proof of the pudding"!