Canon XF200/205 at DVinfo.net

Monday Isa · April 2nd, 2014, 07:48 AM

Haven't seen this posted yet. Canon just released an update to the XF-line

Full press release at New Canon XF200 and XF205 Camcorders at DV Info Net

Canon U.S.A. : Professional Imaging Products : XF205

B&H product page: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1043891-REG/canon_9593b002_xf200_hd_camcorder.html
I'd imagine next up is the XF400/405 probably in the Fall maybe? These specs do give an idea of where Canon would take future products with DV DIGIC IV.

Monday Isa · April 2nd, 2014, 07:53 AM

From the link:

Looks like a loaded camera overall. Can't find info on the sensor but it has the picture profile Wide-dr it seems and also 3 Card Slots! MXF + AVCHD formats. I'd imagine 1080/60P in AVCHD.

"26.8mm Wide, 20x Optical Zoom Lens with 3 Separate Lens Rings
AF options (Instant AF, Face Detection) and Reduced MOD
Enhanced Image Stabilization Performance
Ergonomic, Rotating Grip
Equipped with Wide DR Gamma (600%) Mode and Refined, 8-bladed Circular Aperture
Infrared, High-sensitivity Shooting Function with Enhanced Exposure Performance
Professional 0.45-inch Color Viewfinder and Precise 3.5-inch OLED Panel
MXF and MP4 Dual Codec Recording
Slow and Fast Motion Function Supported (MXF)
35 Mbps 1440x1080 Recording Supported for Broadcast Usage (MXF)
Three Memory Card Slots
HD-SDI Monitor Output, 3G-SDI Output, Time Code and Genlock
5 GHz and 2.4 GHz Dual-frequency Built-in Wi-Fi® Capability
Ethernet LAN Terminal
Browser Remote, FTP File Transfer (MXF/MP4) Functions Featured
Four-channel Audio Recording"

Brian Drysdale · April 2nd, 2014, 08:04 AM

It says "1/2.84-inch sensor of the XF205, XF200, XA25 and XA20" in the brochure, so I'd take that as 1/3" sensors.

Kyle Root · April 2nd, 2014, 09:04 AM

Not bad at all.

20x zoom. Built in slo mo.

I like it.

Gabor Heeres · April 2nd, 2014, 09:09 AM

It looks like the best of the XF100 and XA20 worlds together in one camcorder. Though, at an even € 800 higher price than these two cameras together! Pretty expensive extra zoomrings.

Roger Van Duyn · April 2nd, 2014, 09:42 AM

Very practical.

Andy Solaini · April 2nd, 2014, 10:03 AM

So it's pretty much an XF105/305 hybrid with a few extra features.

It's exactly what I need and have been looking for, a more portable XF300. The problem is I would have to sell both my XF100 and XF300 to be able to afford an XF200. In the UK the price is about £4000 for the 205.

Kyle Root · April 2nd, 2014, 11:08 AM

BH has it for $3,499.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1043891-REG/canon_9593b002_xf200_hd_camcorder.html
Curious to see the 5-axis stabilization in use and also how this matches up to the XF300. in terms of matching cameras for say a 3 camera wedding shoot.

Les Wilson · April 2nd, 2014, 12:23 PM

Wow. A rotating grip like the EX1 and EX3. Funny how Sony bagged it in the PMW-200 but brought back in the 300 after feedback. Nice.

Jase Tanner · April 2nd, 2014, 12:52 PM

It does look good and also makes me wonder about an update to the XF300/305. All the speculation I've seen about that seemed to say "don't hold your breath" but perhaps one will be forthcoming.

Bruce Watson · April 2nd, 2014, 02:08 PM

So, the XA20/25 sensor / processor in an XF100 body? Is that a smaller or larger sensor than the XF100? With some features from the XF300? And no announcement of an XF300 successor? Hmmm... Same CODECs? As the XF100?

My problem with this is that the XA20/25 don't have great dynamic range. And no 1080p60 in the XF200. Even the XA20 has that, so you know the sensor can do it. So... why not in this new camera? Seems like Canon has a thing about 1080p60 in it's "professional" cameras. Why is that?

I guess I'm not clear on the market for this camera. Maybe it'll all clear up after NAB.

Monday Isa · April 2nd, 2014, 02:16 PM

Bruce this camera does 1080/60P but to the 3rd Card slot which is SD. It does have an unpgraded AVCHD codec same as the AX20/25 in addition to the MXF codec. Lastly they have Wider-DR the same as the Cinema line. How much can it pull from the actual sensor? I have no clue nor am I interested. The specs page on B&H has it all detailed.

Peter Ferling · April 2nd, 2014, 02:28 PM

Wow. A rotating grip like the EX1 and EX3.

Not to mention the independent zoom, focus and iris rings, (including HDSDI) as found with the older XH-G1S, and now at roughly half the price. Nice.

I'm also impressed with the wireless connectivity for monitoring and control. One less cable to wrangle, tape down or trip over.

Certainly worth a look, gonna have to rent one.

Nate Haustein · April 2nd, 2014, 02:29 PM

Cute little thing. Reminds me greatly of my very first camera, the old Canon GL2. Pretty steep price though, be much more interested in a 3-chipper XF cam...

Tim Polster · April 2nd, 2014, 02:46 PM

Yeah. I like NAB surprises. This is a surprise for me as I thought Canon was just waiting. Will an XF400 come out? Tough to know. The Panasonic PX-270 has all of this functionality with a better choice of codecs and three chips. I am sure Canon is aware that Panasonic is coming out with a winner so maybe it forced their hand a bit.

Now in turn, it would be a nice surprise to see panasonic with a PX-170. But in the end, it is the image quality and light sensitivity that really make the final decisions.

April 2nd, 2014, 07:48 AM	#1
Monday Isa Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 913	Canon XF200/205 Haven't seen this posted yet. Canon just released an update to the XF-line Full press release at New Canon XF200 and XF205 Camcorders at DV Info Net Canon U.S.A. : Professional Imaging Products : XF205 B&H product page: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1043891-REG/canon_9593b002_xf200_hd_camcorder.html I'd imagine next up is the XF400/405 probably in the Fall maybe? These specs do give an idea of where Canon would take future products with DV DIGIC IV. Canon XF205 Professional Camcorder - YouTube Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Monday Isa; April 2nd, 2014 at 10:10 AM. Reason: Updated B&H link

April 2nd, 2014, 07:53 AM	#2
Monday Isa Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 913	Re: Canon XF200/205 From the link: Looks like a loaded camera overall. Can't find info on the sensor but it has the picture profile Wide-dr it seems and also 3 Card Slots! MXF + AVCHD formats. I'd imagine 1080/60P in AVCHD. "26.8mm Wide, 20x Optical Zoom Lens with 3 Separate Lens Rings AF options (Instant AF, Face Detection) and Reduced MOD Enhanced Image Stabilization Performance Ergonomic, Rotating Grip Equipped with Wide DR Gamma (600%) Mode and Refined, 8-bladed Circular Aperture Infrared, High-sensitivity Shooting Function with Enhanced Exposure Performance Professional 0.45-inch Color Viewfinder and Precise 3.5-inch OLED Panel MXF and MP4 Dual Codec Recording Slow and Fast Motion Function Supported (MXF) 35 Mbps 1440x1080 Recording Supported for Broadcast Usage (MXF) Three Memory Card Slots HD-SDI Monitor Output, 3G-SDI Output, Time Code and Genlock 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz Dual-frequency Built-in Wi-Fi® Capability Ethernet LAN Terminal Browser Remote, FTP File Transfer (MXF/MP4) Functions Featured Four-channel Audio Recording"

April 2nd, 2014, 08:04 AM	#3
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,152	Re: Canon XF200/205 It says "1/2.84-inch sensor of the XF205, XF200, XA25 and XA20" in the brochure, so I'd take that as 1/3" sensors.

April 2nd, 2014, 09:04 AM	#4
Kyle Root Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Decatur, AL Posts: 883	Re: Canon XF200/205 Not bad at all. 20x zoom. Built in slo mo. I like it. __________________ Kyle KR Productions; www.kyleroot.com

April 2nd, 2014, 09:09 AM	#5
Gabor Heeres Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Eindhoven, The Netherlands Posts: 322	Re: Canon XF200/205 It looks like the best of the XF100 and XA20 worlds together in one camcorder. Though, at an even € 800 higher price than these two cameras together! Pretty expensive extra zoomrings.

April 2nd, 2014, 09:42 AM	#6
Roger Van Duyn Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Lakeland Florida Posts: 692	Re: Canon XF200/205 Very practical. __________________ Roger My YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAp...2AHr_pHFID5LDA

April 2nd, 2014, 10:03 AM	#7
Andy Solaini Major Player Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 223	Re: Canon XF200/205 So it's pretty much an XF105/305 hybrid with a few extra features. It's exactly what I need and have been looking for, a more portable XF300. The problem is I would have to sell both my XF100 and XF300 to be able to afford an XF200. In the UK the price is about £4000 for the 205.

April 2nd, 2014, 11:08 AM	#8
Kyle Root Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Decatur, AL Posts: 883	Re: Canon XF200/205 BH has it for $3,499. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1043891-REG/canon_9593b002_xf200_hd_camcorder.html Curious to see the 5-axis stabilization in use and also how this matches up to the XF300. in terms of matching cameras for say a 3 camera wedding shoot. __________________ Kyle KR Productions; www.kyleroot.com

April 2nd, 2014, 12:23 PM	#9
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Re: Canon XF200/205 Wow. A rotating grip like the EX1 and EX3. Funny how Sony bagged it in the PMW-200 but brought back in the 300 after feedback. Nice.

April 2nd, 2014, 12:52 PM	#10
Jase Tanner Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 346	Re: Canon XF200/205 It does look good and also makes me wonder about an update to the XF300/305. All the speculation I've seen about that seemed to say "don't hold your breath" but perhaps one will be forthcoming.

April 2nd, 2014, 02:08 PM	#11
Bruce Watson Major Player Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC, USA Posts: 710	Re: Canon XF200/205 So, the XA20/25 sensor / processor in an XF100 body? Is that a smaller or larger sensor than the XF100? With some features from the XF300? And no announcement of an XF300 successor? Hmmm... Same CODECs? As the XF100? My problem with this is that the XA20/25 don't have great dynamic range. And no 1080p60 in the XF200. Even the XA20 has that, so you know the sensor can do it. So... why not in this new camera? Seems like Canon has a thing about 1080p60 in it's "professional" cameras. Why is that? I guess I'm not clear on the market for this camera. Maybe it'll all clear up after NAB.

April 2nd, 2014, 02:16 PM	#12
Monday Isa Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: College Park, Maryland Posts: 913	Re: Canon XF200/205 Bruce this camera does 1080/60P but to the 3rd Card slot which is SD. It does have an unpgraded AVCHD codec same as the AX20/25 in addition to the MXF codec. Lastly they have Wider-DR the same as the Cinema line. How much can it pull from the actual sensor? I have no clue nor am I interested. The specs page on B&H has it all detailed.

April 2nd, 2014, 02:28 PM	#13
Peter Ferling Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wyomissing, PA Posts: 1,141 Images: 57	Re: Canon XF200/205 Wow. A rotating grip like the EX1 and EX3. Not to mention the independent zoom, focus and iris rings, (including HDSDI) as found with the older XH-G1S, and now at roughly half the price. Nice. I'm also impressed with the wireless connectivity for monitoring and control. One less cable to wrangle, tape down or trip over. Certainly worth a look, gonna have to rent one. __________________ Pete Ferling http://ferling.net It's never a mistake if you learn something new from it. -------------------------------------------

April 2nd, 2014, 02:29 PM	#14
Nate Haustein Trustee Join Date: May 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1,313	Re: Canon XF200/205 Cute little thing. Reminds me greatly of my very first camera, the old Canon GL2. Pretty steep price though, be much more interested in a 3-chipper XF cam... __________________ Nate Haustein PXW-FX9 / FCPX www.flightcreativemedia.com

April 2nd, 2014, 02:46 PM	#15
Tim Polster Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 2,231	Re: Canon XF200/205 Yeah. I like NAB surprises. This is a surprise for me as I thought Canon was just waiting. Will an XF400 come out? Tough to know. The Panasonic PX-270 has all of this functionality with a better choice of codecs and three chips. I am sure Canon is aware that Panasonic is coming out with a winner so maybe it forced their hand a bit. Now in turn, it would be a nice surprise to see panasonic with a PX-170. But in the end, it is the image quality and light sensitivity that really make the final decisions.