Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup at DVinfo.net

Jon Fairhurst · April 4th, 2012, 05:27 PM

I expect 4K to be a popular topic at NAB. For those of us trying to cram the show into a day or so, it might be helpful to compile a list of 4K products that we will (and might) see...

RED - Epic and Scarlet-X will certainly be at the show. RED RAY (a 4K player) has been shown previously in prototype form. RED is committed to 4K (and beyond) so no telling what else we might see.
RED.com

Sony - Sony has the F65 and 4K projectors. They recently announced the NEX-FS700 which will deliver 4K to an external recorder.
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...inema-cam.html
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-nxc...-its-real.html

JVC - The GY-HMQ10 camera records 4K.
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/jvc-gy-h...w-cam-jvc.html

Canon - When Canon announced the C300 and Canon's new Hollywood Professional Technology and Support Center, they also spoke of a 4K DSLR to be introduced around the end of the year. It's unlikely that we will see anything at NAB, but you never know.
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...announced.html

I don't know of any 4K camera announcements from Panasonic or Hitachi at this time.

Of course, most any high-resolution stills cam can shoot 4K time lapse, but that's not really news.

I believe that all the major NLEs (Avid, Apple, Adobe, Sony) can handle 4K, true? Are there others?
Avid Editing Family Forum at DVinfo.net
Final Cut Pro X Forum at DVinfo.net
Adobe Creative Suite Forum at DVinfo.net
What Happens in Vegas... Forum at DVinfo.net

I'm sure that my list is incomplete. If people are aware of other cameras, monitors, projectors, and other announced 4K products, please add a post with the details. This would also be a great place to add new, pre-NAB announcements of 4K products as they become available.

As always, Chris likes a clean forum, so when there are threads dedicated to specific products, please list the product here and include a link to that thread so the detailed discussions happen in the right place. Let's keep this thread as more of a clearinghouse so we can easily plan our 4K NAB tours.

Lawrence Bansbach · April 5th, 2012, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Fairhurst

I expect 4K to be a popular topic at NAB. For those of us trying to cram the show into a day or so, it might be helpful to compile a list of 4K products that we will (and might) see...

Two additions:

Astro 4K (QuadHD) camera system

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...announced.html

Brian Drysdale · April 5th, 2012, 01:23 AM

The Aaton Penelope Delta should be at NAB, they seem to be planning for their first digital camera to be available later in the year. http://www.aaton.com/files/delta-p_sept-2011.pdf

I haven't seen the Lightworks NLE final spec yet, but I'd imagine it'll have 4K in some form, certainly it will be able to handle RED as one of the licensed codecs. The impression I get is that they're aiming for NAB for the release version. Will it become a major player again? That could be an interesting question.

Ron Evans · April 5th, 2012, 07:15 AM

Edius also supports 4K EDIUS 6 | Grass Valley

Ron Evans

Chris Hurd · April 5th, 2012, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lawrence Bansbach

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...announced.html

Link changed from an off-site source to the DV Info Net discussion thread.

Whenever possible, please post DVi links instead of off-site links... thanks in advance,

Lawrence Bansbach · April 5th, 2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

Link changed from an off-site source to the DV Info Net discussion thread.

Whenever possible, please post DVi links instead of off-site links... thanks in advance,

Sorry, Chris. Unfortunately, the substitute link doesn't detail the interchangeable-lens version as well as the original link.

Zach Love · April 5th, 2012, 11:16 AM

JVC 4K interchangeable-lens version?! Its April 5th, better not be another joke that's 4 days late.

If there is official info on that camera, it deserves its own thread. Please, post a link / start a thread.

Lawrence Bansbach · April 5th, 2012, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zach Love

JVC 4K interchangeable-lens version?! Its April 5th, better not be another joke that's 4 days late.

If there is official info on that camera, it deserves its own thread. Please, post a link / start a thread.

I did post it, and it was removed. Google "JVC interchangeable lens 4K" -- you'll find a few hits. It's got a 1.25-inch (approximately m4/3) sensor, outputs four streams like the GY-HMQ10U, and supposedly will cost $10K or so.

Brian Drysdale · April 6th, 2012, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Drysdale

I haven't seen the Lightworks NLE final spec yet... The impression I get is that they're aiming for NAB for the release version.

Editshare will be demoing Lightworks, but I now suspect that perhaps the actual release version won't be be available until after NAB. They're currently testing it and say they're delighted with the performance. Hopefully the long public beta test of the new Windows Lightworks has wrung out any remaining bugs (this being different to the old turnkey Lightworks), although some people are using the beta on actual productions.

Jon Fairhurst · April 6th, 2012, 01:16 PM

I should mention that Aja and Blackmagic both offer 4K capture and playback cards...
KONA 3G - AJA Video Systems
Blackmagic Design: DeckLink 4K

Also, RED offers the RED ROCKET accelerator and playback card.
Product :: RED ROCKET

Peter Moretti · April 6th, 2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Fairhurst

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I believe that all the major NLEs (Avid, Apple, Adobe, Sony) can handle 4K, true? Are there others?
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Actually Avid Media Composer handles 4K Red files by dowrezing it to 2K and slightly cropping it to 1920 X 1080. It does not have a 4K project size. Avid DS does do 4K natively.

Jon Fairhurst · April 11th, 2012, 10:52 AM

Ace Unitech has a few 4K+ recorders, including one that records uncompressed up to 1.2G pixel/s. It's programmable to handle various combinations, including 8k/4k, 3D, 480Hz, 16bit, RGB. The interface is
Dual-Link DVI x 8ch.

They also have lower spec 4K recorders, a camera mountable 2K recorder, and a 4K 3D monitor.

Booth C12349

Ace unitech

I have no affiliation with them and haven't used their products. Just adding them to the 4K thread.

Jon Fairhurst · April 12th, 2012, 11:36 AM

Canon has jumped into the 4K market with both feet.

The 1D C...
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...turing-4k.html

The 500C (and some lenses)...
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...as-lenses.html

A 4K monitor...
Canon To Exhibit Prototype 30-inch 4K Video Display at NAB2012 at DVInfo.net

Brian Drysdale · April 14th, 2012, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Drysdale

The Aaton Penelope Delta should be at NAB, they seem to be planning for their first digital camera to be available later in the year. http://www.aaton.com/files/delta-p_sept-2011.pdf

The new info sheet is online; http://www.aaton.com/files/delta-p_april-2012b.pdf

The interesting bit is the new multi slot shutter idea, which allows the camera to be rated at 100 ISO and 800 ISO without ND filters and IR problems.

Jon Fairhurst · March 25th, 2013, 01:42 PM

The above thread was for NAB 2012. Let's revive the thread for NAB 2013.

So... what's new?

RED has the Dragon sensor.
Sony has the F5 and F55.
Canon has the 1DC and 500C

Any other 4K camera news?

How about 4K recorders? 4K players? 4K (or UHD) displays? 4K video cards (in and/or out) for computers? Post press release and product links in this thread.

I'm curious to see if 4K/UHD is accelerating, steady, or stalling...

April 4th, 2012, 05:27 PM	#1
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup I expect 4K to be a popular topic at NAB. For those of us trying to cram the show into a day or so, it might be helpful to compile a list of 4K products that we will (and might) see... RED - Epic and Scarlet-X will certainly be at the show. RED RAY (a 4K player) has been shown previously in prototype form. RED is committed to 4K (and beyond) so no telling what else we might see. RED.com Sony - Sony has the F65 and 4K projectors. They recently announced the NEX-FS700 which will deliver 4K to an external recorder. http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...inema-cam.html http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-nxc...-its-real.html JVC - The GY-HMQ10 camera records 4K. http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/jvc-gy-h...w-cam-jvc.html Canon - When Canon announced the C300 and Canon's new Hollywood Professional Technology and Support Center, they also spoke of a 4K DSLR to be introduced around the end of the year. It's unlikely that we will see anything at NAB, but you never know. http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...announced.html I don't know of any 4K camera announcements from Panasonic or Hitachi at this time. Of course, most any high-resolution stills cam can shoot 4K time lapse, but that's not really news. I believe that all the major NLEs (Avid, Apple, Adobe, Sony) can handle 4K, true? Are there others? Avid Editing Family Forum at DVinfo.net Final Cut Pro X Forum at DVinfo.net Adobe Creative Suite Forum at DVinfo.net What Happens in Vegas... Forum at DVinfo.net I'm sure that my list is incomplete. If people are aware of other cameras, monitors, projectors, and other announced 4K products, please add a post with the details. This would also be a great place to add new, pre-NAB announcements of 4K products as they become available. As always, Chris likes a clean forum, so when there are threads dedicated to specific products, please list the product here and include a link to that thread so the detailed discussions happen in the right place. Let's keep this thread as more of a clearinghouse so we can easily plan our 4K NAB tours. __________________ Jon Fairhurst

April 5th, 2012, 01:23 AM	#3
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,152	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup The Aaton Penelope Delta should be at NAB, they seem to be planning for their first digital camera to be available later in the year. http://www.aaton.com/files/delta-p_sept-2011.pdf I haven't seen the Lightworks NLE final spec yet, but I'd imagine it'll have 4K in some form, certainly it will be able to handle RED as one of the licensed codecs. The impression I get is that they're aiming for NAB for the release version. Will it become a major player again? That could be an interesting question. Last edited by Brian Drysdale; April 5th, 2012 at 02:56 AM.

April 5th, 2012, 07:15 AM	#4
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup Edius also supports 4K EDIUS 6 \| Grass Valley Ron Evans

April 5th, 2012, 11:16 AM	#7
Zach Love Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 944	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup JVC 4K interchangeable-lens version?! Its April 5th, better not be another joke that's 4 days late. If there is official info on that camera, it deserves its own thread. Please, post a link / start a thread. __________________ Nothing says you're a serious video maker like S-VHS

April 6th, 2012, 01:16 PM	#10
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup I should mention that Aja and Blackmagic both offer 4K capture and playback cards... KONA 3G - AJA Video Systems Blackmagic Design: DeckLink 4K Also, RED offers the RED ROCKET accelerator and playback card. Product :: RED ROCKET __________________ Jon Fairhurst

April 11th, 2012, 10:52 AM	#12
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup Ace Unitech has a few 4K+ recorders, including one that records uncompressed up to 1.2G pixel/s. It's programmable to handle various combinations, including 8k/4k, 3D, 480Hz, 16bit, RGB. The interface is Dual-Link DVI x 8ch. They also have lower spec 4K recorders, a camera mountable 2K recorder, and a 4K 3D monitor. Booth C12349 Ace unitech I have no affiliation with them and haven't used their products. Just adding them to the 4K thread. __________________ Jon Fairhurst

April 12th, 2012, 11:36 AM	#13
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup Canon has jumped into the 4K market with both feet. The 1D C... http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...turing-4k.html The 500C (and some lenses)... http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...as-lenses.html A 4K monitor... Canon To Exhibit Prototype 30-inch 4K Video Display at NAB2012 at DVInfo.net __________________ Jon Fairhurst

March 25th, 2013, 01:42 PM	#15
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Re: Pre-NAB 4K+ Roundup The above thread was for NAB 2012. Let's revive the thread for NAB 2013. So... what's new? RED has the Dragon sensor. Sony has the F5 and F55. Canon has the 1DC and 500C Any other 4K camera news? How about 4K recorders? 4K players? 4K (or UHD) displays? 4K video cards (in and/or out) for computers? Post press release and product links in this thread. I'm curious to see if 4K/UHD is accelerating, steady, or stalling... __________________ Jon Fairhurst