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Allan Black · September 30th, 2011, 04:55 AM

Much to the disgust of the marketing types, I don't subscribe to buying the first generation of any new stuff and here's a classic case. The Kindle.

What is it? You haven't seen one yet? Well it just might put my favourite blonde librarian out on the street.

Kindle e-Reader with Wi-Fi, 6" Display

Anyone using one? How do you like it?

Cheers.

Jeff Anselmo · September 30th, 2011, 12:50 PM

Hi Allan,

Like you I am very conservative as far as buying the next best thing; often waiting 'til I've had plenty of time to research and have a million reviews on the product. But like a geek who wants the newest toys, I want the new Kindle Fire!

I was gifted an Ipod Touch last year, and I thought I wanted an Ipad, but now I'm looking into these e-readers that have wi-fi capabilities, apps, games, (which is what I use the Ipod Touch for), and a slightly bigger screen.

But saying all that, I'm still reluctant to give up on old tech called books printed on paper :)

Best,

Dave Blackhurst · September 30th, 2011, 02:36 PM

Had a friend that got a (older version, so last year...) Kindle... I found the grey on grey letters very difficult to see - contrast was just not good enough. I doubt it's had much use... I know I was singularly unimpressed, wouldn't ever own one of those "e-readers" - but they are of course releasing things with full color LCD screens...

That said, there's a Kindle reader for pretty much any platform, and my kids use it for all the free books - cheap "library", on the PC or cheap import Chinese Android tablet.

I've been intrigued by the tablet format, particularly since it represents such a sudden market shift-er. Bottom line for me, the tablet/pad with touch interface is VERY natural for many things if it has a good screen (and they seem to vary a lot). Web surfing, ebook reading, basic email, short notes, and those silly simple things like calculator, and of course GAMES (OK, other than Angry Birds, nothing has been overly interesting!).

The tablet is a good "consumer" device, and it wouldn't surprise me to see it eliminate the computer for an awful lot of people - it does the simple basic things that the average user uses the web for, and generally most of the tablets do it "adequately"... some better than others, and some with substantial limitations (Flash support is really spotty on the Android tablets... at least the cheap ones).

Here's the rub - if you're going to be "creating" rather than consuming, these are VERY limiting - typing anything other than a note is cumbersome, any "editing" of graphics/photos/videos is "interesting" both due to computing horsepower/memory limitations and interface challenges.

For what a tablet CAN provide - a small (bigger than a "smart" phone, smaller than a netbook computer), portable, web enabled device that allows you to take a basic "computer" everywhere you go, it's a nifty piece of tech. Just accept that the limitations may or may not quickly shift you BACK into a computer - I personally am finding some nice small computers being sold quite cheap ("just got me an eyepad, and don't have no use fer this no more"), and they are nearly as portable as a tablet, plus some are powerful enough to run quite a few "creative" applications (NLEs not so much, if you expect to do HD editing... but I'm experimenting!).

Steve Jobs humble opinion aside, I found the 7" screen to be pretty useful, and more portable than the 10" one I tried (admittedly that particular 10" had a less than stellar screen). Some of the small screens are very sharp, but you're still talking about a SMALL screen, which may or may not work for you (having just hit the "bi-focal" age, I find this to be far more problematic!!).

The Kindle Fire just announced will no doubt sell faster than sliced bread... I'm interested, but not that much since the Cheap Chinese one I picked up to experiment with shifts on and off my "sell" list - less than $100 slightly used, and it does get use, just not as much as I feel it should - really haven't found too many "killer" (other than time killer Angry Birds) apps that are a "must have" or that I can't replicate and do better on a 12" screen PC... almost everything I or my kids expect to be able to do runs better on a small Netbook... IF it doesn't require a monster edit/render box!

D.J. Ammons · September 30th, 2011, 11:00 PM

For $199 I preordered one the day it became available. Next gens might have cameras, 3 or 4g, etc but they will cost more. My library just started making books available to "check out" for kindle's through Amazon plus I was about to join Amazon prime anyway which will get me thousands of movies & tv shows. Add in a web browser for when I am traveling or eating in restaurants with wifi and I don't think I can go wrong.

I am saving my big bucks for a newer version of the ipad that will have 4g capability.

Bill Koehler · September 30th, 2011, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Anselmo

But saying all that, I'm still reluctant to give up on old tech called books printed on paper :)

The endurance of the book will be ensured by the impermanance of its many would be successors.

Allan Black · October 1st, 2011, 03:53 AM

True Bill and Jeff, but my 4month old grandson will one day look at my bookcase with awe and wonder.

For our generation changing to Kindles etc. is another link in the analogue to digital chain and I think a whole new way of reading books will eventually develop, just like Facebook and Twitter came with portable laptops and I phones.

Guys, just imagine your book reading group all sitting around with the lights out, their Kindles providing the only light in the room. That gorgeous Darlene will look even prettier not withstanding her ridiculous comments on Steven King.

Still bring your own cushion.

Cheers.

Bill Koehler · October 1st, 2011, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allan Black

True Bill and Jeff, but my 4month old grandson will one day look at my bookcase with awe and wonder.

For your personal bookcase to elicit your grandsons awe and wonder, Libraries would have to be greatly diminished as well.

Mark Kenfield · October 2nd, 2011, 05:35 PM

I've heard nothing but praise for the Kindle from both a couple of friends who have got them, and especially from my dad, who's a big reader and had serious doubts about pleasure reading on a digital device.

But it's precisely the low-contrast, simplistic nature of the kindle that makes it so good. It really is just like book that scrolls instead of having it's pages turned.

I think my dad put it really well (and it's a comment that rings true for digital imaging as well) - he said that in the end, it's the words that count. The means by which you read them doesn't really matter (so long as those means work).

September 30th, 2011, 04:55 AM	#1
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,929	New Kindle. Much to the disgust of the marketing types, I don't subscribe to buying the first generation of any new stuff and here's a classic case. The Kindle. What is it? You haven't seen one yet? Well it just might put my favourite blonde librarian out on the street. Kindle e-Reader with Wi-Fi, 6" Display Kindle e-Reader with Wi-Fi, 6" Display Anyone using one? How do you like it? Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

September 30th, 2011, 12:50 PM	#2
Jeff Anselmo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 566	Re: New Kindle. Hi Allan, Like you I am very conservative as far as buying the next best thing; often waiting 'til I've had plenty of time to research and have a million reviews on the product. But like a geek who wants the newest toys, I want the new Kindle Fire! I was gifted an Ipod Touch last year, and I thought I wanted an Ipad, but now I'm looking into these e-readers that have wi-fi capabilities, apps, games, (which is what I use the Ipod Touch for), and a slightly bigger screen. But saying all that, I'm still reluctant to give up on old tech called books printed on paper :) Best, __________________ --JA

September 30th, 2011, 02:36 PM	#3
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Re: New Kindle. Had a friend that got a (older version, so last year...) Kindle... I found the grey on grey letters very difficult to see - contrast was just not good enough. I doubt it's had much use... I know I was singularly unimpressed, wouldn't ever own one of those "e-readers" - but they are of course releasing things with full color LCD screens... That said, there's a Kindle reader for pretty much any platform, and my kids use it for all the free books - cheap "library", on the PC or cheap import Chinese Android tablet. I've been intrigued by the tablet format, particularly since it represents such a sudden market shift-er. Bottom line for me, the tablet/pad with touch interface is VERY natural for many things if it has a good screen (and they seem to vary a lot). Web surfing, ebook reading, basic email, short notes, and those silly simple things like calculator, and of course GAMES (OK, other than Angry Birds, nothing has been overly interesting!). The tablet is a good "consumer" device, and it wouldn't surprise me to see it eliminate the computer for an awful lot of people - it does the simple basic things that the average user uses the web for, and generally most of the tablets do it "adequately"... some better than others, and some with substantial limitations (Flash support is really spotty on the Android tablets... at least the cheap ones). Here's the rub - if you're going to be "creating" rather than consuming, these are VERY limiting - typing anything other than a note is cumbersome, any "editing" of graphics/photos/videos is "interesting" both due to computing horsepower/memory limitations and interface challenges. For what a tablet CAN provide - a small (bigger than a "smart" phone, smaller than a netbook computer), portable, web enabled device that allows you to take a basic "computer" everywhere you go, it's a nifty piece of tech. Just accept that the limitations may or may not quickly shift you BACK into a computer - I personally am finding some nice small computers being sold quite cheap ("just got me an eyepad, and don't have no use fer this no more"), and they are nearly as portable as a tablet, plus some are powerful enough to run quite a few "creative" applications (NLEs not so much, if you expect to do HD editing... but I'm experimenting!). Steve Jobs humble opinion aside, I found the 7" screen to be pretty useful, and more portable than the 10" one I tried (admittedly that particular 10" had a less than stellar screen). Some of the small screens are very sharp, but you're still talking about a SMALL screen, which may or may not work for you (having just hit the "bi-focal" age, I find this to be far more problematic!!). The Kindle Fire just announced will no doubt sell faster than sliced bread... I'm interested, but not that much since the Cheap Chinese one I picked up to experiment with shifts on and off my "sell" list - less than $100 slightly used, and it does get use, just not as much as I feel it should - really haven't found too many "killer" (other than time killer Angry Birds) apps that are a "must have" or that I can't replicate and do better on a 12" screen PC... almost everything I or my kids expect to be able to do runs better on a small Netbook... IF it doesn't require a monster edit/render box!

September 30th, 2011, 11:00 PM	#4
D.J. Ammons Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 506	Re: New Kindle. For $199 I preordered one the day it became available. Next gens might have cameras, 3 or 4g, etc but they will cost more. My library just started making books available to "check out" for kindle's through Amazon plus I was about to join Amazon prime anyway which will get me thousands of movies & tv shows. Add in a web browser for when I am traveling or eating in restaurants with wifi and I don't think I can go wrong. I am saving my big bucks for a newer version of the ipad that will have 4g capability.

October 1st, 2011, 03:53 AM	#6
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,929	Re: New Kindle. True Bill and Jeff, but my 4month old grandson will one day look at my bookcase with awe and wonder. For our generation changing to Kindles etc. is another link in the analogue to digital chain and I think a whole new way of reading books will eventually develop, just like Facebook and Twitter came with portable laptops and I phones. Guys, just imagine your book reading group all sitting around with the lights out, their Kindles providing the only light in the room. That gorgeous Darlene will look even prettier not withstanding her ridiculous comments on Steven King. Still bring your own cushion. Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

October 2nd, 2011, 05:35 PM	#8
Mark Kenfield Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 470	Re: New Kindle. I've heard nothing but praise for the Kindle from both a couple of friends who have got them, and especially from my dad, who's a big reader and had serious doubts about pleasure reading on a digital device. But it's precisely the low-contrast, simplistic nature of the kindle that makes it so good. It really is just like book that scrolls instead of having it's pages turned. I think my dad put it really well (and it's a comment that rings true for digital imaging as well) - he said that in the end, it's the words that count. The means by which you read them doesn't really matter (so long as those means work).